snoodmonger

Self needs a FF to shut people up. It's that simple. (But then it will be NC choker talk.) It may not be fair, but that's the way it is, and he isn't the first coach to go through it. Dean, Lute, Donavan, and Roy were all labeled as chokers. It's just the way it works.

hahaha I liked it. But, I have a more accurate prediction, Kansas bounced in first weekend of the tournament. Snood and Kansas fans everywhere wonder if they made the right hire. They publicly reassure themselves they still are super elite. Wondering privately how many McDAAs it takes for Bill Self to get to a final four. or that doesn't happen, and KU has a nice healthy tourney run. Illiniguy sets himself on fire.

"to the hoop, y'all"

he plays basketball better than you write sentences.

Prediction: Indiana hires Bruce Weber and takes BAM's long awaited good recruiting class with him. Illiniguy sets himself on fire.

with out giving it much thought so far, i'm interested in looking at Scott Drew at Baylor. You do NOT want Scott Drew to follow Kelvin Sampson. Drew as a clean-up specialist is laughable. i honestly don't know a lot about him, buy why do you say that? he's just one of the guys that popped in my head when i started thinking about what's next. He's done a good job at Baylor, but inside coaching circles he's probably considered dirtier than Sampson ever will be. His international connections are shady at best. While recruiting Kenneth Harris, Drew made a very large donation to a foundation run by Harris's AAU coach. Almost immediately after, Harris commits to Valpo. No one will touch that though, because his AAU coach is a reverend and it's a Christian group. Almost all coaches bend or break rules. However, Drew has hid behind international obscurity and religious righteousness to cheat. Please IU, stay away. He has a dirty reputation in the Big Twelve. Lots of alleged negative recruiting.

When I say bad, please read that as an obvious double dribble and a travel with under a minute to go. And Eddie H wasn't even doing the game. :amen: Nope, we're lucky enough to get him tonight. He sucks, and it's no help that we're playing like absolute crap. The state of Kansas does not seem to want the Big XII championship trophy this year.

Ah, but only a year ago I argued he couldn't hold Deron Williams' jock and was laughed at for it. I would say the biggest difference between Williams and Hinrich is strength though not athletic ability. I am not saying that Williams is not a better athlete just that his strength is what really sets apart from almost all other point guards. Strength is definitely a weakness of KH. That's why playing him alongside of Thabo (who can more effectively guard bigger, stronger 2s) might make Kirk more effective. He's also annoyingly streaky.

He has one of the worst AST:TO ratios in the league for PGs whilst playing in a slow half court offense. He'd be even worse for TOs playing in a fast pace offense, regardless of how good he was in college. Jameer Nelson and Kyle Lowry were good in college and aren't good in the pros. Happier? Good idea, otherwise the astute and perceptive people reading this thread would draw the conclusion I was a self-loathing white guy. :scratch: You're arguing something completely different now. You insinuated he lacked the athleticism to be effective. Not true. Please admit it.

I've been calling it all year. KU is a real good team, but they aren't special. I have never seen them as a Final 4 team at any point. Well, I don't know about that. I still think we're one of the 4 best teams. I was just supremely confident in them early in the season. Now I have a sick feeling about them. I don't think you can identify 4 better teams, though.

If I were you, I'd just say you had him confused with Bill Wennington and hope no one calls you on it. Otherwise, you've basically impeached any credibility you have with regards to player evaluation.

We're not as good as I thought we were. Not even close.

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths. You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set. Noah isn't lead-footed either. both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting. Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking. I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here. The level of athleticism he faces in the pros >>>>>> the level of athleticism he faced in ncaa. adam morrison and jj redick were all kinds of great in college. Haha, ok. I'm glad you posted that. It's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so I don't feel compelled to argue anymore. I do have a sneaking suspicion as to why you think he's not athletic enough for the NBA, though. I sense the pattern too. Well, raisin, it's hard to miss. It's right there in black and white.

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths. You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set. Noah isn't lead-footed either. both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting. Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking. I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here. The level of athleticism he faces in the pros >>>>>> the level of athleticism he faced in ncaa. adam morrison and jj redick were all kinds of great in college. Haha, ok. I'm glad you posted that. It's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so I don't feel compelled to argue anymore. I do have a sneaking suspicion as to why you think he's not athletic enough for the NBA, though.

It'll be good to resume a classic rivalry from yesteryear. For now, I believe it is still just a home-and-home. Sounds like an invitation for a liquor-addled Digger Phelps to ramble on about his glory days. No thanks.

What makes you think we are vastly ovverrated? Because we do not have a really good post player? We played Carolina, Clemson, and Wisconsin whose strengths are all heavily on the inside and won all three of them and blew out Wisconsin. And Lance Thomas is starting to come on, he had 10 points against UNC. I think you guys run a gimmicky offense. You beat UNC, but I think that's one of the worst defensive teams I've seen, and they were without one of the two players they have to have. I also would hesitate to say their strength is in the post. Aside from TH, their strength is guard play/swingmen. You were also unconscious from 3pt land. Duke is certainly better than I gave them credit for at the start of the season. But Paulus is garbage, and I think a team with good guards and an athletic front line locks them down. However, your 3 pt shooting makes you dangerous to anybody. And Singler is very good.

I'm sure Tim Morris knew that Aboya had two broken bones in his face. I hope we get these clowns in the Pac-10 tourney. (This doesn't excuse my extreme disappointment in the effort these guys showed today. It's one thing to make mental and physical errors and lose while trying; it's completely different when the effort and toughness is lacking - whether you win or lose.) Yeah, they've had a couple lack of effort games this year. No sense of urgency yesterday. Wonder if it's like how Florida sort of sleepwalked through the season last year. Some of these guys have been to 2 straight FFs, no? Maybe they are just having trouble getting up for the regular season. Man, KU's been so flat the last few weeks. I'm pretty worried.

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths. You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set. Noah isn't lead-footed either. both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting. Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking. I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here.

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths. You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set.

Maybe the worst thing I've ever heard.

Well, I don't know the official rules on that inbounds play. My instinct said it had to be a foul or something. I mean, you could break a guy's nose that way. But when I think about it, he has a right to try to bounce it off the defender. But his face? It seems like you shouldn't be able to purposely throw the ball at his face. (Though it's within the rules in baseball when you're turning a double play.) But how can you ref that? I dunno. I waffle. It was pretty bogus, though, and Aboya handled it like a man.

Not necessarily, but they can't lose again. Memphis is the only team w/ one sewn up. Duke just needs to beat UNC to lock one up, even though they are vastly overrated. That leaves UNC/UCLA/KU/Tennessee/maybe GTown fighting over the last 2. If each of them drop one more UCLA might get one based on strength of schedule. Or they'll get the #2 in the west like last year (RIP OFF), screwing the one seed there.

clemson off to a nice start.

I think Clemson will feel a lot of pressure to break the streak because it seems like such a golden opportunity. Because of that, I think UNC wins. Oh, and Washington is the worst FT shooting team I've ever seen.

Yowza, raisin, what the hell kind of camera angle is this on the UCLA game? Is it some guy in the 11th row with a handicam?