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I am not sure if I understand you question. But if you are asking is Proplayer a harder park to play defense in? I would say no. CF is deeper but a ball not gotten to is a ball not gotten to. It doesn't matter what park one plays in. Both parks are big but Coors is more symetical and perhaps easier. But I do not think that much easier. What makes you say that? To me they indicate he is an almost an exactly average CFer.

Ceiling is scoutspeak for "my best guess" it means absolutely squat. Slappy is not worth that much. But b/c Hendry overvalues a "leadoff batter" over a "baseball player" he is our Slappy. Good luck next year Slappy. I'll be rooting for you.

Perfect example of my previous post, thanks. "Baseball" men who know "the game" likely wrote that. Let's look at some objective data shall we? Of qualified CFer in the NL: Convential Stats: He ranked next to last in fielding % (just ahead of Patterson) He ranked second to first in errors (Just behind Patterson) He was tied for 3rd in assists (7) but really in the middle of the pack (Jones lead the league with 11) He ranked 3rd in put outs (but he did play a lot of innings too) Non-convential stats: He ranked dead last in range factor (put outs + assists)/innings (this time all the innings might have hurt him) He ranked in the middle of the pack in zone rating (Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc.) Now none of these stats are all that good becuase they are reliant on other aspects, but overall, I would say my opinon is congruent with more objective data. He is neither bad nor good as a defensive player. He is mediocre. Who to beleive; objective data, opinon of some guy on a message board, or a scouting report from a "basball" man who knows "the game"? ------------- Not that I need to but I can tell you I lived in Doral Fl (just a short 10 min drive up the turnpike to ProPlayer) for two and a half years (01-04). In that time I probably went to 20 games and maybe watched another 60 on the tube. So I saw him play more often then most here.

Ironic and pathetic at the same time. Nothing ironic or pathetic about it. The list of impact bats that satisfy this crowd is usually 5 players long at most, so it's pretty darn close to a no-win situation people put him in. Floyd for one year is a nice addition. If Floyd is the impact player you are looking for the Cubs to get. Then you have some pretty low expectations. Floyd will do nothing but push Murton to the bench, which by itself isn't a disaster, but the pick up does nothing to solve the problem in RF. As I wrote earlier though, he is not a bad player. But he is a risk at a time when the Cubs already have too many risks. However, I would be content with an outfield of (LF) Floyd (CF) Slappy (RF) MONOPOLY! (Bradley). Not sure Hendry would like it though.

Ironic and pathetic at the same time.

Floyd is also a left fielder. I think he has only played something like 60 games in right. I hope this rumor isn't true, but again the Cubs could do worse. Cliff is a very streaky hitter though, very streaky.

I asked this in another thread and it never really got answered. Is it just common knowledge that Pierre is not a good centerfielder? I've never heard anyone speak bad of his defense before all the Pierre to the cubs talk started. Is he considered worse than Patterson in center? I'm asking because i honestly thought he was considered a good CF. I've always known about the weak arm but have never heard all of this talk about bad routes and late jumps. Wher is the information coming from? And who does he compare to defensively in CF? "Baseball" men who know "the game" think Slappy is a good defender because after all, a Center Fielder has to have good speed. Peirre has great speed and that saves him from tottaly screwing up. He will take a bad angle but make up for it somewhat with his speed. He will break late but make it up with his speed. But he will also not get to some balls because his speed cannot always overcome his judgement. He has a very weak arm, even for a centerfielder. All and all he is a medicore defensive centerfielder in my estimation. He is neither bad nor good. But if he is hobbled in any way he will immediately become a bad defensive centerfielder. Slappy is a one trick pony. All speed. His entire worth is tied up in his foot speed.

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That question is tottally irrelavent unless the Cubs just traded for Podsednik. Pierre is likely better than Patterson, but only fractionally better. Suppose he gets hit in the leg with a FB. He probably will not be on the DL so he may play every day. Untill his leg fully heals he has almost no value. Suppose Derrek Lee gets hit in his bicep, how effective will he be? What if Barrett gets hit in the shoulder? Come on are you serious? You can't just throw out what-if's to support your arguement especially about a guy who doesn't get injured. Flawed argument. Nope. The point is if Lee gets hit in the bicept he can still field the ball pretty well. If Barrett gets hit in the shoulder he can still hit. If Slappy gets hit in the leg he cannot field b/c his entire defensive worth is wrapped up in his speed. He cannot bunt b/c slappy entire offensive worth is wrapped up in his speed. He cannot slap a single in the hole between SS and 3rd b/c his entire offensive worth is wrapped up in his foot speed. If he manages to take a walk he likely won't attempt to steal If Slappy has a leg injury he has no value that is "nagging" but does not keep him out of the line up he has very little value. These nagging injuries do occur to every player. Just becasue someone is not on the DL doesn't also mean they are not injured. (See Carlos Beltran from 2005) He is a one dimentional player take that dimension away and he is worthless.

My guess is you shouldn't throw blanket generalizations around and stick to the topic of the thread.

That question is tottally irrelavent unless the Cubs just traded for Podsednik. Pierre is likely better than Patterson, but only fractionally better. Suppose he gets hit in the leg with a FB. He probably will not be on the DL so he may play every day. Untill his leg fully heals he has almost no value.

OK. That makes the trade a lttle better IMO. I still don't like Slappy though. But at least the Cubs didn't give up too much. Two marginal minor leaguers are better than three.

Probably. Now Hendry can over pay for Huff. Yuck. I really am against having Huff in RF now that Pierre is in CF. It was possibly a tolerable gamble if there was above average production in CF. Not now. Maybe now Felix is on the table in a deal for one of the Big 3 corner OF's we've all talked about. I think that wouldn't bother me as much as Pierre. I would prefer Dunn, he is younger, but Abeu would be fine too. Manny is a LFer so I don't what would happen with Murton.

Why should he? He's not good. He could easily suck again. Those guys could have been traded, along with a Williams or other pieces, for a much much much better player. Hence the terms marginal value and opportunity costs? I told Diffusion not to bring it up but I never said anything to you. Now I am upset again.

I do. But don't explain it please. I am trying to make the best of this trade.

Thanks I need that. I need some rational thought to calm me down. I hope they make Slappy wear his hat bill forward. BTW, when do you sleep?

How is this a fair trade for both sides? Aside from foot speed, what does he bring to the team that Todd Walker does not? I love the Cubs. I cannot stand Jim Hendry. Best case scenario he performs to career norms. But then what do the Cubs do when Pie is ready? I was fearfull this would happen. I really really hope I'm worng.

is it going to be on WGNTV

And to think we are all pesimists who have nothing good to say.

The Cubs already have a good leadoff hitter and Hendry is doing everything in his power to trade him. That guy: Todd Walker What the Cubs badly need is a difference maker in the outfield and that guy ain't Slappy Piere.

LaTroy has a bad habit of tipping his pitches.

He is also missing the tip of one of his finger which gives his pitches natural movement.

How will that be different from every other day? I think I am pretty balllanced. What really erks me though are those witty one word response to my posts that some people make. That and the eye roll emoticon. I can't stand that one.

If Hendry trades anything other than spare parts for Slappy Porn-stache I will be pissed. I will complain and I will whine. Just a heads up to everyone.