Chocolate Milk, See that is the thing. If you read my posts througout this thread you will note that I ddi not try to defend Sammy. I never said he didn't. In fact, I said I don't know. What I did is present his homerun totals from 93-03 and they showed a natural career arc for a slugger. I questioned other peoples justification for saying Sammy was on the juice. To me it appears as if they have nothing more than bias. McGuire is tottaly irrelavent to the discussion of Sammy. However, as far as I am concerned they all have the taint of steriods, but that doesn't mean they used them. It is one thing to say "I suspect" and quite another to say "he did". Especially when one gives hat size and shirt size a a justification.