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Wrong I'd love to hear the explanation that proves the stats (facts) wrong. The statistic isn't wrong, your analysis is. Feast = Significantly more runs then during famine Famine = Significantly less runs than during feast A team can score a lot of runs and have a high standard deviation and not have a problem. A second team can not score a lot of runs and still have a high SD and have a problem. In other words, a team could have an SD of 6 and an average of 6 runs scored per game and not have a problem with feast and famine offense, while at the same time a team could have an SD of 6 and an average of 2 and have a problem with feast and famine. I guess the definition of "feast" and "famine" will have to be talked about, but it's all relative anyway.

I think Lou tried one of these shake ups when he was with Tampa. I don't know how long it lasted, but IIRC, he started his relievers and had them go for an inning each.

So, really they would by a 12 month subscription at $50 & you would pay for an additional 2 months? Correct? We can work it anyway Tim wants to. I will pay for 2 months of someone's premium membership.

One more win and someone gets two months of premium on me. Disclaimer: That person will have to agree to pay for 10 of premium on their own in order to qualify.

Angel's never thrown a ton of innings in his career. Part of his job as a starter is to give a good amount of innings. Also, he's thrown the ball well in limited innings. Where has the problem been? The bullpen, where he's being sent, so this could be a help to the team is Marshall (I'm guessing) continues on this solid year. The lack of logic is stunning, simply stunning. Starting pitching = Strenght Bulpen percieved weakness (not necessarily a valid reflection of reality) Remove starting pitchers weakens the starters. The starters are weakened the bullpen gets more work. When a bullpen works too much it gets weaker. A bullpen is used to help preserve vicotory. It's hard when there is nothing to preserve. Marshall is not a good bet to be a decent 5th starter, neither is Miller. I find you making a few of assumptions along with your logic. Guzman has pitched well as a starter, but if he can't consistently go deep into the game, he is not helping his bullpen. Also, Marshall vs. Guzman isn't as clearcut as you make it out to be. Sure, we can all break out our jump to conclusions mats after 3 starts, but look at their historic major league and minor league performances and consider who also would be more suited in the bullpen. It's really not hard. Why not take Z and make him a middle reliever then? Marshall is not good and comming off an injury. Wade Miller looks to be almost finished. After that the next legit starters are in AA and A ball. When you take from a strength it makes it a weaker. Ok, first off. Zambrano career 129 ERA+ Second off, you maintain the assumption that there is going to be a huge dropoff from Guzman to Marshall, the same as Zambrano to Marshall based on your argument. Aside from the most recent limited major league action from Guzman, there is nothing to indicate this to be a continuing trend. Guzman can help in the bullpen, Marshall cannot. This is about allocation of resources. It's really not that hard. Does the pen need help or is Lou overreacting after a tough loss? Or has Lou mismanged the pen making it look worse than it would otherwise be the case? But all that is entirely beside the point. It's just plain dumb to take a starter out of the rotation to put him in the bullpen. Just dumb. Why can't Marshall help the pen? What are you going to do when Miller comes up instead of Marshall? The bullpen isn't in dire in need of help, but a solid arm doesn't hurt. When you have a capable starter ready, it isn't just plain dumb no matter how many times you use the word or fragmented sentences you type. Marshall is left handed, you got 3 of those in the bullpen already. If Miller comes up instead, I won't like it. I may make an angry scowl or possibly grind my teeth a few times. So there's a law against having more than three lefties in the bullpen? Marshall hasn't been a capeable starter for quite a while. http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=5905&position=P&page=6&type=full

Santo is in post orgasmic bliss. "what a beautiful day. What a beautiful game"

Angel's never thrown a ton of innings in his career. Part of his job as a starter is to give a good amount of innings. Also, he's thrown the ball well in limited innings. Where has the problem been? The bullpen, where he's being sent, so this could be a help to the team is Marshall (I'm guessing) continues on this solid year. The lack of logic is stunning, simply stunning. Starting pitching = Strenght Bulpen percieved weakness (not necessarily a valid reflection of reality) Remove starting pitchers weakens the starters. The starters are weakened the bullpen gets more work. When a bullpen works too much it gets weaker. A bullpen is used to help preserve vicotory. It's hard when there is nothing to preserve. Marshall is not a good bet to be a decent 5th starter, neither is Miller. I find you making a few of assumptions along with your logic. Guzman has pitched well as a starter, but if he can't consistently go deep into the game, he is not helping his bullpen. Also, Marshall vs. Guzman isn't as clearcut as you make it out to be. Sure, we can all break out our jump to conclusions mats after 3 starts, but look at their historic major league and minor league performances and consider who also would be more suited in the bullpen. It's really not hard. Why not take Z and make him a middle reliever then? Marshall is not good and comming off an injury. Wade Miller looks to be almost finished. After that the next legit starters are in AA and A ball. When you take from a strength it makes it a weaker. Ok, first off. Zambrano career 129 ERA+ Second off, you maintain the assumption that there is going to be a huge dropoff from Guzman to Marshall, the same as Zambrano to Marshall based on your argument. Aside from the most recent limited major league action from Guzman, there is nothing to indicate this to be a continuing trend. Guzman can help in the bullpen, Marshall cannot. This is about allocation of resources. It's really not that hard. Does the pen need help or is Lou overreacting after a tough loss? Or has Lou mismanged the pen making it look worse than it would otherwise be the case? But all that is entirely beside the point. It's just plain dumb to take a starter out of the rotation to put him in the bullpen. Just dumb. Why can't Marshall help the pen? What are you going to do when Miller comes up instead of Marshall?

DLEE!!!!111!!!1!!!!!!!!111 Santo just pissed himself.

Angel's never thrown a ton of innings in his career. Part of his job as a starter is to give a good amount of innings. Also, he's thrown the ball well in limited innings. Where has the problem been? The bullpen, where he's being sent, so this could be a help to the team is Marshall (I'm guessing) continues on this solid year. The lack of logic is stunning, simply stunning. Starting pitching = Strenght Bulpen percieved weakness (not necessarily a valid reflection of reality) Remove starting pitchers weakens the starters. The starters are weakened the bullpen gets more work. When a bullpen works too much it gets weaker. A bullpen is used to help preserve vicotory. It's hard when there is nothing to preserve. Marshall is not a good bet to be a decent 5th starter, neither is Miller. I find you making a few of assumptions along with your logic. Guzman has pitched well as a starter, but if he can't consistently go deep into the game, he is not helping his bullpen. Also, Marshall vs. Guzman isn't as clearcut as you make it out to be. Sure, we can all break out our jump to conclusions mats after 3 starts, but look at their historic major league and minor league performances and consider who also would be more suited in the bullpen. It's really not hard. Why not take Z and make him a middle reliever then? Marshall is not good and comming off an injury. Wade Miller looks to be almost finished. After that the next legit starters are in AA and A ball. When you take from a strength it makes it a weaker.

Marshall isn't going to do better than Angel, and is more likely to do worse, while Angel isn't going to get consistent work out of the pen if Piniella continues to use the pen like he has. This isn't a hard concept. What is seemingly hard concept is that we need someone who doesn't suck in the bullpen. Our 5th starter need not be lights out. Guzman has the hard stuff to succeed in the bullpen. If we're not going to make a trade soon, why not give it a shot? Yes, games don't count on Sunday.

This is why Guzman is going to the pen. The rotation is not the problem. that was my thinking when i suggested it a few days ago. i got verbally stoned for the suggestion. The rotation will be the problem when they trot out tomato cans once every 5 days. Then the bullpen will become taxed and people will begin to bitch about the starters. THE RIOT!

Angel's never thrown a ton of innings in his career. Part of his job as a starter is to give a good amount of innings. Also, he's thrown the ball well in limited innings. Where has the problem been? The bullpen, where he's being sent, so this could be a help to the team is Marshall (I'm guessing) continues on this solid year. The lack of logic is stunning, simply stunning. Starting pitching = Strenght Bulpen percieved weakness (not necessarily a valid reflection of reality) Remove starting pitchers weakens the starters. The starters are weakened the bullpen gets more work. When a bullpen works too much it gets weaker. A bullpen is used to help preserve vicotory. It's hard when there is nothing to preserve. Marshall is not a good bet to be a decent 5th starter, neither is Miller.

Wrong

That's not even close to the hole story. Team A could have a high SD but also have a high M. Team B could have a hight SD but have a lower M. Team A is the Mets M= 5.3 Team B is the Cubs M = 4.7 Then you have to factor in runs allowed.

The Cubs never diasapoint do they? Of all the stupid things to do. IF they put Guzman in the pen he will be there for the duration of the year. Then they will trott out three or four fifth starters for the rest of the season. They are beyond beyond.

I love it. How does Kevin measure talent? Translation: The entire draft is a highly speculative system with no sure-fire way to tell who is the better pick when looking at a small class of elite prospects. All things being equal, I'd take the guy who will cost less in such situatations.

Any reason given for why the changes coming had to wait until Monday, and not be enacted today? Could they be working a trade or two, and they don't expect them to be complete until Monday? I'm guessing this is part of it. Lou asked Hendry to make some changes and Hendry asked for the weekend to negotiate. Anyone else here think Dempster won't be getting the call anymore in save situations? I hope he's considering Wuertz for the job. I bet Cotts is on the short list to go down since he still has options as well. Dempster has done pretty well. I have no idea what is going to happen. Erye has been bad and came to camp out of shape (I think). I'm guessing he's gone. The problem is that the bullpen is a secondary problem and becuase of the timing of the troubles it is getting all the bame. Like I said before the season started, Hendry gave Lou a chess set with too many pawns and not enough knights and expects him to win.

Lou is putting his fingers in the [expletive]. Soon he'll be out of fingers too. I have to give him credit, he's trying.

If the Cubs sweep, I'll donate $10 for someone to have premium for two months, but the person then has to pony up the dough for the next 10 months.

I'm sure you now walking and hitting go hand in hand unless you're a small class of player like Vlad or Ichiro. When Eric was in Memphis he was swinging at everything in sight. Hopefully he is making the connection.

I would not want to be on the airplane sitting next to Lou.

Soriano and Lee are not in the prime of their careers.

penultimate means second to last. Are you saying Erstad's "deke" was the second to worst one you've ever seen?

Bullpens are always a crapshoot, always. IMO, Larry hasn't done a good job with anyone during his tenure. Z didn't just wake up one day with bad mechanics. Its a progression of successive approximations to what we see today. Larry should have seen it a long time ago. Mazzoni talks about body language, Larry doesn't speak that language. He's presided over the downfall of two of the most promising pitchers of this generation. He's been flat out terrible. Jason Marquis be damned. [/b]

I didn't see the game, but the brief highlights I saw of Z pitching he was comming straight over the top in almost an exaggerated motion. I've also not seen the drop in velocity. What did the gun have him at?