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Social anxiety disorder doesn't affect him when he relieves? I find that really, really hard to believe.

It's already done reverend. I hope to some day be as good a person as you. Wow. Who peed in your Cheerios this morning? Great response, BTW. Is this your new manner of arguing with people who disagree with you? Calling them names?

That's a bunch of BS. I complemented Greenstein and she said he can't go on the road because it's a "LOOONG" story. But you would know that if you read the thread wouldn't you. It was what Tim commented on. Oh sorry, you already know that because you read the thread It's already done reverend. I hope to some day be as good a person as you.

Lofton over Brock? Give me a break. http://www.loubrock.com/Stats.htm You have a break. http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1001458&playerid2=246&playerid3=&position=OF&page=1&type=full WARP3 Lofton 102> Brock 87 Apples and oranges. Brock played several years before the mound was chopped down, with less teams (pre-expansion) and before all the minature stadiums started popping up. Comparing stats from different eras can be misleading. WARP3 corrects for era, supposedly. It's probably more like Granny Smith vs. Red Delicious. Anyway, Lou Brock was severly overrated but still a very good player. And Andy, I think the Cardinals knew who they were getting.

Cain kind of fell apart after that 3-2 count in which he didn't get the strike. It's nice to see an other team's pitcher have a mini-meltdown.

Lofton over Brock? Give me a break. http://www.loubrock.com/Stats.htm You have a break. http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1001458&playerid2=246&playerid3=&position=OF&page=1&type=full WARP3 Lofton 102> Brock 87

Koiye Hill coming through. The Cubs are leading the good life here.

Yes.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If you were worried about your job would you insinuate that you have inside information that could get you fired if you reveal how you obtained the information? Especially if you "like getting paid"? Just so you could look important on a message board. I don't know about you but I'd keep my hands away from the keyboard in those instances.

It was one game. If he'd hit two HRs and thrown out 5 baserunners and the Cubs still lost it wouldn't mean anyhting either. They had 7 walks last night.

One could say the same about many here, yourself included. No we can't. Just put me on ignore if you feel the need for superiority. I don't. My point was only that we all speculate on issues 99% of the time. A select few may believe their opinions and personal speculation are fact and incontrovertable, but I think that most understand that its not. Before you came to this thread to preach did you bother to read anything prior to my post? This person has portrayed herself as someone who has connections to either the Cubs or the Tribune or perhaps both. Then she slanders Teddy Greenstein by saying the reason he isn't a beat reporter is because he isn't allowed to travel. Insinuaiting what, I have no idea. Previously she portrayed herself as someone in the know about how MLB operates and how the MLB owners don't like Jeff Loria. When I asked her to subtantiate her opinon, her answer was "trust me I know but I can't tell you because I like my job" or some other such nonsense. I don't know any other people who say they have "sources" or insinuate that they have inside information but want to remain anonymous who post here. She could be legitimate. I couldn't care less. If you can't or won't substantiate your claims, it is best to not make them. And I'm not talking about statistics or who is a better second baseman or what-have-you. But hey, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Preach away.

One could say the same about many here, yourself included. No we can't. Just put me on ignore if you feel the need for superiority.

-Murton is clearly better than Floyd against lefties. DeRosa should be at 2B, with Murton RF against lefties. It's beyond stupid to delay this. -Pie is not likely to perform any worse offensively than Pagan or Jones and is far better defensively than either. He's always adjusted well after moving up a level, and I don't see why he wouldn't do so again, given time. -Cedeno is a good bet to be better than Izturis and certainly isn't likely to be worse. The bottom line is none of these moves will make the Cubs worse, and all have a decent chance to actually make them better. Saying you can't give these guys a shot and keep winning is beyond absurd. It's just plain wrong. Again, you're making these lineup decisions based on what you think or hope will happen. When Pie was up, he was outperformed by Pagan....same can be said for Murton. Sadly, when Cedeno was up, he was outperformed by Izturis and that's hard to do. The fact is those 3 players had their opportunity earlier in the year and all 3 failed or did not meet expectations. Are you kidding? You are kidding? I guess if a guy doesn't "produce" immediately they should be gotten rid of. They should have shelved Soriano a long time ago by that logic. It is really beyond my ability to understand where you get your opinon from. Pie was given a "chance"? Murton was given a "chance"? Cendeno performed badly last year, but there is some adjustment time. What is the cut off so we can have a frame of reference. The player needs to produce in his first 20 ABs? After that he should be given a positon no matter what. Pagan is just terrible. I can't think of another MLB team that he would play for.

Except we don't pretend to be someone we're not.

Holy snikes. They were and are not worse. They all had slumps/adjustment periods that they weren't allowed to work through. Cedeno is absolutely destroying AAA pitching. Pie and Murton cannot be worse than JJ and Ward/Floyd over the long haul. I don't think the Kendall trade was slammed throughout this board, not even close.

Based on her posting history, I haven't seen any reason to believe she is pretending to have inside information or sources. I'm giving her the benefit out the doubt. From other threads I've read, it sounds like there are lots of management people within the Cubs organization and its affiliations that check out NSBB routinely (mostly lurking), why chase them off? As much as I like to hear myself talk, if I had an important position within the ranks of the Cubs organization, I'd probably have a tough time staying off message boards while attempting to remain anonymous. If your employment (and working for the Cubs in any capacity would be an awesome job) depended on your anonymity and protecting insider knowledge, I don't think NSBB or any other message board exposure would be worth losing my job over. Did you read her comments about Teddy Greenstein? She practically slandered the guy in one inuendo dripping sentence. Or how about how the other MLB clubs are embarrased by Loria? Her follow up to those posts were to the extent of "trust me, I'm in the know". BFD. I'll tell you what. This isn't worth getting worked up over. I'll just put her on ignore.

The Cubs aren't on a winning streak. The Cubs are winning. Please, explain to us why now would be a good time to make Murton, Pie, and Cedeno starters. Because they are have the potential to be better than the people they will replace.

And your point would be? If we all had the same identical substantiated bits of drivel, there wouldn't be a whole lot to say here, would there? People have the right to remain anonymous (myself included) and they have the right to form their own opinions. As long as it's respectful, who cares? Neither you nor I pretend to be "in the know" and have "sources" we can't reveal. There is nothing wrong with being anonymous. However, if I had inside information that I couldn't or wouldn't substantiate I wouldn't post inuendo on freaking Cubs fan message board to make myself look important.

She has expressed in other threads that she prefers (and likely for employment's sake) to stay anonymous. And yet she throws out unsubstantiated bits of drivel with almost every post. Maybe she's Paul Sullivan's wife.

What? Please explain. Here in the nonfantasysabremetricswhatever world the Cubs are one of the hottest teams in baseball. Why exactly would you change what is working? Pie, Murton, and Cedeno have ALL shown that they can't handle a Major League job with the Cubs. Theriot, Pagan, and the other players who have been put in the lineup are part of the reason the Cubs are now considered contenders. They have been producing. The Cubs have been winning. That is all that matters. Point 1 Let me try this on you: David Ecstein was the SS for the Cardianls last year. Was he the reason why they won? Is his absence this year the reason why they suck? Point 2 (see bolded part) Not quite. I love the part about "nonfantasysabremetricswhatever world". Go with it.

That is one of the more uniformed posts I've read on here in a long, long time. How uniform is it? Is it a nice uniform, like the Marines? :wink: More like the 1970s Houston Astros or Chicago White Sox

cedeno should be starting. no doubt. if you're against this you're against winning. "If you're against this you're against winning?" You mean the same kind of winning that the Cubs have been doing with Ryan Theriot at SS? There is a hole in your logic large enough to drive an aircraft carrier through. At the same time Asmodai's argument is the sort of thing W would be proud of. That said, I'd like to see Cedeno playing every day. But I'd like to see Murton and Pie playing too. That won't be happening either.

That is one of the more uninformed posts I've read on here in a long, long time. stupid spelling

Was B Bob Feller?

No he's not. I'd definitely prefer to have my pinky toe cut off than my entire leg.