2023 MLB Draft Day 2 Thread

If they’re taking requests on overslot HSers then hit me with Liam Peterson (RHSP) and Eric Bitonti (3B). I don’t mind Steven Echavarria (RHP), Brandon Winokur (1B?) as alternates and sure those alternates have alternates (HS RHP out of NC…6’5” can’t remember the name probably Brandon or Jackson, and Wolkow or maybe Zion Rose)

If they’re taking requests on loud stuff, ugly Stats college arms then hit me with Ryan Bruno out of Stanford. I like the 20 YO Canadian lefty SP out of Michigan with the Irish last name (Ohallahan?) as a potential Wesneski/Waldichuk 

If college bats then I like Garrett Forrester specifically and otherwise wouldn’t mind some LH and switch hitters

I'd love to land Travis Sykora today, but I'm not sure the slot savings are there for that.

It's hard to know what sorts of savings the Cubs are currently looking at (if any), considering Shaw likely would have been a Top 5 pick in a normal year and Wiggins could elevate his stock in 2024 with a healthy comeback, so he has some leverage.

George Wolkow is an intriguing option as a possible overslot candidate, given that he's local, young for the draft, and has major power hitter potential, which this system sorely lacks.

4 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

It's hard to know what sorts of savings the Cubs are currently looking at (if any), considering Shaw likely would have been a Top 5 pick in a normal year and Wiggins could elevate his stock in 2024 with a healthy comeback, so he has some leverage.

George Wolkow is an intriguing option as a possible overslot candidate, given that he's local, young for the draft, and has major power hitter potential, which this system sorely lacks.

Wolkow would be fun to add, for sure. Will Gasparino would be my top choice, if they have enough money for him. Have to assume Cam Johnson is off to LSU.

And we're off!

Josh Rivera, SS, Florida

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Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

Rivera was a solid high school prospect at IMG Academy in Florida, but a knee issue and his commitment to play for the Gators knocked him down to the 22nd round. He was never able to quite put it all together at Florida until this spring, his fourth with the Gators, with a consistent performance on both sides of the ball leading him to rise up Draft boards in a hurry.

For his first three seasons at Florida (the first cut short by the pandemic), Rivera didn’t produce much, if at all, offensively, and dealt with arm issues in 2022. This year, though, he’s been healthy and shown he can impact the ball a lot more effectively. He’s not necessarily a pure hitter, with a bit of an unbalanced setup at the plate, but he’s been barreling up the ball all spring, with an advanced approach that has led to very few strikeouts and a healthy walk rate. All of that has enabled him tap into his raw power consistently.

While he isn’t overly rangy, scouts do think Rivera has the chance to stick at shortstop. He’s good to his glove side and will make the everyday play consistently, but he won’t be flashy. Some think that, plus his arm being a little short, might make him a better fit for second base or perhaps a super-utility role. But his big step forward with the bat has made him one of the higher-profile seniors in the class.

Senior sign for underslot?

Cubs 3rd rounder is Florida SS Josh Rivera. He's a senior but ranked/valued around this area so maybe just a $200-$300k slot savings.

He was really good in the Supers and at Omaha.

11 minutes ago, CaliforniaRaisin said:

Cubs 3rd rounder is Florida SS Josh Rivera, a senior but probably ranked around this area so maybe just a $200-$300k slot savings.

He was really good in the Supers and at Omaha.

Strong pick, one of the more interesting college bats available after a big breakout in the SEC playing SS for a tippy top program. ….The two bats so far combined for 43 HRs last year in 629 PAs 

Definitely has flaws as he got knocked for chasing, is already 22, but there’s glove and slug tools and it’s the third round 

Edited July 10 by TomtheBombadil

I didn't watch a ton of the CWS but Rivera was one of the guys who made me google how good a prospect he was.  Seems like lots of folks are more bullish on his SS defense than that MLB.com report too.

The Padres drafted a whole school, according to MLB.com (sounds like the pick was actually Jandaniel Gonzalez)

1 minute ago, CaliforniaRaisin said:

The Padres drafted a whole school, according to MLB.com (sounds like it is Jandaniel Gonzalez)

Sadly, they corrected it, and it is indeed JD Gonzalez.

RHP Will Sanders, South Carolina

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Scouting grades: Fastball: 50 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 50 | Overall: 45 

Scouts loved Sanders' projectability when he was a Georgia high schooler, but the shortened 2020 season eliminated his opportunity to make an impression that spring. He went undrafted and headed to South Carolina, where he has added 20 pounds to his 6-foot-6 frame and his stuff has gotten stronger as well. An inconsistent junior season ruined his chances of going in the first round, and his stock took another hit when he missed the final three weeks of the regular season as well as the Southeastern Conference tournament with an apparent foot injury. 

Sanders' difficulties have stemmed largely from his inability to miss bats with his fastball, which sits at 92-94 mph and peaks at 96 but catches too much of the plate and lacks life when he doesn't command it up in the zone. His secondary pitches are all solid, including a mid-80s changeup that tumbles and fades and keeps left-handers at bay. He favors his low-80s curveball over his mid-80s slider, both of which have depth, and he can land both for strikes. 

Sanders' size helps him create extension and angle that make life more difficult for hitters. Despite his long limbs, he keeps his mechanics in sync and provides a reliable amount of strikes, though his control has slipped a bit in 2023. He still can gain more strength but his biggest need is to improve the movement and command with his fastball. 

 

Cubs draft South Carolina RHP Will Sanders in the 4th

Josh Rivera:

Athletic: 87
BA: 60
ESPN: 92
FG: NR - 6th rated college hitter after their top 64 (40 FV)
MLB Pipeline: 87

8 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

RHP Will Sanders, South Carolina

 

This is the kind of guy I have confidence in the Cubs turning into something. Get him in the lab and get some tailing action on that fastball and he becomes a thing.

Will Sanders

Athletic: 92
BA: 94
ESPN: 65
FG: 65
MLB Pipeline: 135

Through 4 rounds and while they don't have any major underslots, they don't really have any overslots either, I wonder where the money is going to go.

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Through 4 rounds and while they don't have any major underslots, they don't really have any overslots either, I wonder where the money is going to go.

 

Both pitchers use changeups as the primary offspeed but feature multiple spins…Throw hard…SEC…big (listed 6’6” 225-230)…One TJ, one no TJ…Alrighty…Sanders was def in the “ugly numbers but I wouldn’t hate drafting” pile/bucket of NCAA arms (and a recently TJ’d guy I ignored like Wiggins solely bc of the TJ is a blind spot I’ve had forever)

Edited July 10 by TomtheBombadil

9 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Through 4 rounds and while they don't have any major underslots, they don't really have any overslots either, I wonder where the money is going to go.

Not sure there is much money. Maybe $200-$300k each for Wiggins and Rivera.

Riviera:

Athletic:

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Rivera is likely to be the first college senior position player taken this year, as he’s been one of the best hitters for the Gators while continuing to play plus defense at short. He went from .255/.351/.429 as a junior to .354/.453/.634 as a senior, hitting more homers this spring (19) as he had in the prior three seasons combined. He struck out just barely over 10 percent of the time this season, and walked far more often than he punched out (45 BB, 31 K), hammering fastballs and showing he could hit good velocity. His age and lack of track record will ding him, but he can stay at short and he has made more hard contact this year to give you some reason to believe it’ll last.

BA:

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Age At Draft: 22.8 
BA Grade:45/High
Tools:Hit: 45. Power: 45. Run: 50. Field: 50. Arm: 50. 

Rivera has been on the national scouting scene for a long time. He was a prep standout who showed impressive defensive chops and pure hitting ability, but after reaching Florida he never quite figured it out with the bat after dealing with a series of nagging injuries for many years. Something clicked for him in his 2023 draft year, as Rivera turned in an exceptional offensive season and hit .348/.447/.617 with 19 home runs as well as a 14.7% walk rate and 11.2% strikeout rate. The 6-foot-2, 215-pound righthanded hitter has plenty of bat speed, showed all-fields power and also hammered 92-plus mph fastball velocity this spring, to the tune of a .422/.513/.656 line. It’s a big and aggressive swing with plenty of length to the bat path, but Rivera has shown a solid ability to manipulate the barrel to all parts of the zone—and he’s had success expanding it at times as well. He might need to become more selective at the next level, but his improved walk and strikeouts rates this spring offer some encouragement about his approach. Despite a long finish, Rivera gets out of the box well and runs hard down the line, turning in above-average or plus home-to-first times, though he might be more of an average runner overall. He has solid defensive actions and arm strength at shortstop, with a chance to stick at the position, though third base or second could be a landing spot in pro ball as well. Rivera should be a priority senior sign with day one buzz given his strong season and prep pedigree.

ESPN:

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92. Josh Rivera (22.7), SS, Florida

Giving some Jonathan India vibes as a longtime famous Florida prep infielder who put it together late in his time in Gainesville.

No writeup from FG. O_O posted the writeup from MLB Pipeline.

Eric Karros has two sons who went to UCLA and have now been drafted.

I'll say it before, and I'll say it again. I am old.

C Michael Carico, Davidson

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Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 55 | Run: 35 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 45

After batting .219 as a part-time catcher trying to play through a torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder in 2021, Carico broke out as a 19-year-old sophomore last season. He batted .406/.559/.843, led NCAA Division I in on-base percentage and OPS (1.402) and set Davidson records for OBP, slugging, OPS, runs (71), homers (21), extra-base hits (43), total bases (166) and hit by pitches (26). The Atlantic 10 Conference player of the year, he also became the first Davidson player invited to try out for the U.S. collegiate national team. 

Carico has some stiffness to his left-handed swing, but he has the strength and bat speed to produce solid power from left-center to the right-field line. He struggled in the Team USA trials against better quality pitching, so there's some question as to how good he'll be versus tougher competition. He may not produce high batting averages, but his pop and his plate discipline are real. 

Carico has well-below-average speed and fringy-at-best athleticism that limits his ceiling as a receiver, though he does have the work ethic to become adequate behind the plate. He has solid arm strength but it plays down because he lacks accuracy on his throws. Though he broke a bone in his left wrist in March and missed most of the next two months, he's still a lefty-hitting catcher with performance and youth on his side, so he might match Robert Eenhoorn (second round, 1990) as the highest pick in Wildcats history. 

 

Cubs 5th rounder: Michael Carico, C, Davidson

4th rounder Will Sanders:

Athletic:

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Sanders is 6-foot-6 with a plus slider and 92-95 mph fastball, but the heater plays down from its velocity and lefties especially had a field day with the pitch this year. He does have a changeup, mostly 85-89 mph, and when he finishes it in the lower half of the zone it’s a respectable pitch with some late run away from lefties, but he has zero feel for it and didn’t use it enough in games to improve that. He could finish stronger on his front side to get better vertical break to the fastball, making better use of his height. He gave up 29 runs in 35 innings in SEC play, then missed a month with a “lower body injury” before a couple of solid relief outings in the regional followed by a clunker against Florida where two-thirds of his pitches were sliders. There’s a lot to work with here for a team that trusts its pitching development, but without that kind of help, he’s going to end up in relief.

BA:

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Age At Draft: 22.8 
BA Grade:45/High
Tools:Hit: 45. Power: 45. Run: 50. Field: 50. Arm: 50. 

Rivera has been on the national scouting scene for a long time. He was a prep standout who showed impressive defensive chops and pure hitting ability, but after reaching Florida he never quite figured it out with the bat after dealing with a series of nagging injuries for many years. Something clicked for him in his 2023 draft year, as Rivera turned in an exceptional offensive season and hit .348/.447/.617 with 19 home runs as well as a 14.7% walk rate and 11.2% strikeout rate. The 6-foot-2, 215-pound righthanded hitter has plenty of bat speed, showed all-fields power and also hammered 92-plus mph fastball velocity this spring, to the tune of a .422/.513/.656 line. It’s a big and aggressive swing with plenty of length to the bat path, but Rivera has shown a solid ability to manipulate the barrel to all parts of the zone—and he’s had success expanding it at times as well. He might need to become more selective at the next level, but his improved walk and strikeouts rates this spring offer some encouragement about his approach. Despite a long finish, Rivera gets out of the box well and runs hard down the line, turning in above-average or plus home-to-first times, though he might be more of an average runner overall. He has solid defensive actions and arm strength at shortstop, with a chance to stick at the position, though third base or second could be a landing spot in pro ball as well. Rivera should be a priority senior sign with day one buzz given his strong season and prep pedigree.

ESPN:

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94. Will Sanders (21.3), RHP, South Carolina

Looked like a first rounder early in his time in Columbia but had up-and-down spring and finished poorly; could be a steal like Jonathan Cannon was last year.

FG (40+ FV): 

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Sanders had a down 2023 because of an injury to his knee and lower fibula, which caused him pain during the season even before he was shut down for most of May. It's quite a feat that Sanders only missed a month. This is likely a guy who'll be shut down after the draft so he can be completely healthy for next season. And healthy Sanders does a little bit of everything. He can work the angle of his fastball past hitters at the letters even though he doesn't throw incredibly hard, and both his changeup and slider are capable of missing bats when he executes location, which he tends to do. His fastball is pretty vulnerable in the strike zone, so Sanders doesn't have a great way to get ahead of hitters. He tends to use his changeup as an action pitch in the zone just to show a different look. Improving breaking ball demarcation (there are definitely two different pitches here, they just run together) as a pro might also help with this. The entire package presents a pretty low variance no. 4/5 starter look. He'd likely have gone toward the back of the first round if healthy, but he's now more likely to come off the board in the second.

O_O posted MLB Pipeline's report earlier.

Ha, Carico was pre-approved as a non-first college bat…LHH catcher, better shot to stay there than McGeary last year but similarly bat first 

 

Edited July 10 by TomtheBombadil