Manny Ramirez and David Delluci

[Tehmpus]

The subject of Juan Pierre has been talked to death, but I believe that there are many outfield trade possibilities for Jim Hendry. What are your thoughts on Manny Ramirez and Devid Delluci?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Manny has a full NTC and I don't think he wants to come to Chicago.

[Tehmpus]

Well, Manny has been trying to get out of Boston for the last couple of years. I don't know how he feels about Chicago, but David Ortiz told reporters that Manny won't be returning to Boston this season. That makes a trade of Manny seem pretty likely to me. And how many teams can even begin to look at Ramirez's contract. Surely Boston would add some cash to an prospective trade deal, but nearly all of the teams simply cannot afford the slugger. The only one that could afford him easily is the Yankees, and we all know that Boston isn't going to send ANY good players to New York.

[JWCUB]

I for one, would love to have Manny. At this point, I would'nt mind selling the farm to get him. Sure, he has some issues, but I would love to have that kind of production. The window for the Cubs is closing, so I say GO FOR IT! As was mentioned, I'm not sure if the Cubs would be one of the teams he would OK a trade to.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If we did not have to sell the farm and if Boston paid maybe a quarter of his salary, I'd love to have Man Ram.

[Tehmpus]

Is_Pedro,

 

I think the cost to the farm system would be totally in Hendry's court. It would depend on how much of Manny Ramirez's contract the Cubs would end up paying. If the Cubs include any stud minor leaguers, Boston would probably pay more of his salary, and vice versa, a package of chump minor leaguers would probably mean a higher overall price tag on Manny's contract.

[goonys evil twin]

Is_Pedro,

 

I think the cost to the farm system would be totally in Hendry's court. It would depend on how much of Manny Ramirez's contract the Cubs would end up paying. If the Cubs include any stud minor leaguers, Boston would probably pay more of his salary, and vice versa, a package of chump minor leaguers would probably mean a higher overall price tag on Manny's contract.

 

I agree.

 

Assuming Boston has finally reached the point of no return, I wonder how interested they would be in taking on several second tier prospects for Manny. After several years of trading away prospects for win now players, including their top guy this winter, they could use some fresh ammo for future deals. Would they take a package that included: Harvey/Dopirak, Nolasco/Marshall, Pinto/Ryu, Craig/Moore, Gallagher/Johnson, etc, along with some throw-in innings eaters like Mitre or Williams? If you could take off the top 3-4 guys you insisted on keeping, could you put together a package that would entice Boston to give up Manny without including major leaguers? While I would think Boston would be willing to absorb a lot of cash if they got back studs, I would think they'd be very happy to get 4-5 good prospects, and clear space for new signings.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I think for a "win now" org like Boston they would want atleast one really and ready player in return a few top prospects.

[JWCUB]

Is_Pedro,

 

I think the cost to the farm system would be totally in Hendry's court. It would depend on how much of Manny Ramirez's contract the Cubs would end up paying. If the Cubs include any stud minor leaguers, Boston would probably pay more of his salary, and vice versa, a package of chump minor leaguers would probably mean a higher overall price tag on Manny's contract.

 

I agree.

 

Assuming Boston has finally reached the point of no return, I wonder how interested they would be in taking on several second tier prospects for Manny. After several years of trading away prospects for win now players, including their top guy this winter, they could use some fresh ammo for future deals. Would they take a package that included: Harvey/Dopirak, Nolasco/Marshall, Pinto/Ryu, Craig/Moore, Gallagher/Johnson, etc, along with some throw-in innings eaters like Mitre or Williams? If you could take off the top 3-4 guys you insisted on keeping, could you put together a package that would entice Boston to give up Manny without including major leaguers? While I would think Boston would be willing to absorb a lot of cash if they got back studs, I would think they'd be very happy to get 4-5 good prospects, and clear space for new signings.

 

I agree 110%.

 

But the million dollar question is, would Manny want to come here?

Does anyone know if Manny has any connections with any current Cubs players?

Todd Walker?

Aram?

[Tehmpus]

It still seems like a match to me. Boston's weakness over the recent years has been pitching, and the Cubs could send a passable reliever or even a starter (assuming Williams is available for trade). But then again, hearing a Cardinal fan argue against the Cubs making a trade isn't really that surprising.

 

I'm curious what people have to say concerning David Delluci. He'd be a fairly, cheap obtainable, leadoff man. Sure, Manny is the big name, but I believe Delluci has something to offer the Cubs should he become available in a trade.

[goonys evil twin]

I think for a "win now" org like Boston they would want atleast one really and ready player in return a few top prospects.

 

I could see them having interest in guys like Williams, Mitre, Novoa, Wuertz and Ohman. I would give them Williams and Novoa along with some prospects, if they took on enough cash so that the Cubs owed only $14m per year.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm curious what people have to say concerning David Delluci. He'd be a fairly, cheap obtainable, leadoff man. Sure, Manny is the big name, but I believe Delluci has something to offer the Cubs should he become available in a trade.

 

Dellucci is no more of a leadoff option than Walker, and if they wouldn't use Todd there, why would they use double D's there? He's also not the impact corner OF bat I would be looking for, given the current lineup. Fix holes elsewhere, and he's fine for a role player. But Dellucci is not enough to fix the problems with this lineup.

[Tehmpus]

I think for a "win now" org like Boston they would want atleast one really and ready player in return a few top prospects.

 

I could see them having interest in guys like Williams, Mitre, Novoa, Wuertz and Ohman. I would give them Williams and Novoa along with some prospects, if they took on enough cash so that the Cubs owed only $14m per year.

 

Gooney,

I like where you're coming from there, but if Hendry sent Williams, Novoa, and a prospect or two.... I think Boston would be so ectatic that they'd be willing to swallow an even larger portion of Ramirez's salary. Hendry is a pretty good negotiator. Manny might be had for less.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I think for a "win now" org like Boston they would want atleast one really and ready player in return a few top prospects.

 

I could see them having interest in guys like Williams, Mitre, Novoa, Wuertz and Ohman. I would give them Williams and Novoa along with some prospects, if they took on enough cash so that the Cubs owed only $14m per year.

 

Gooney,

I like where you're coming from there, but if Hendry sent Williams, Novoa, and a prospect or two.... I think Boston would be so ectatic that they'd be willing to swallow an even larger portion of Ramirez's salary. Hendry is a pretty good negotiator. Manny might be had for less.

 

I was just about to post otherwise. None of those guys are\will be difference makers. The prospects traded in the Beckett and Delgado might be. Besides Boston doesn't really need payroll relief. The Cubs would have to give up a guy that would hurt in order to get Manny.

[Tehmpus]

I'm curious what people have to say concerning David Delluci. He'd be a fairly, cheap obtainable, leadoff man. Sure, Manny is the big name, but I believe Delluci has something to offer the Cubs should he become available in a trade.

 

Dellucci is no more of a leadoff option than Walker, and if they wouldn't use Todd there, why would they use double D's there? He's also not the impact corner OF bat I would be looking for, given the current lineup. Fix holes elsewhere, and he's fine for a role player. But Dellucci is not enough to fix the problems with this lineup.

 

Gooney,

Actually, I believe that Delluci has better OBP numbers than walker does, plus he's a might faster than a Todd Walker (even tho he doesn't steal tons of bases). As for being enough to fix the problems with the lineup, I never claimed that Delluci could do that alone. But he would be a valid option in either centerfield or rightfield IMO. Plus, he could be had fairly cheaply in terms of price and prospects. Texas is always dying for pitching. Send them one or two middle of the road pitching prospects, and they'd send us their (so called) 4th outfielder in a hurry. I really think this Delluci can contribute.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

double post Edited November 28, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[marc_foust]

I could see Hendry trying to use a couple of our major leaguers to net Manny. Such as Hairston(if the bosox have any use for him), Williams, Wuertz, Greenburg, Novoa, Macias (if only we were that lucky). And then throw in a mix of a couple of minor leaguers. That may get it down to around 11 mil if they take Williams/Hairston/Wuertz/2 minor leaguers.

[goonys evil twin]

 

Gooney,

I like where you're coming from there, but if Hendry sent Williams, Novoa, and a prospect or two.... I think Boston would be so ectatic that they'd be willing to swallow an even larger portion of Ramirez's salary. Hendry is a pretty good negotiator. Manny might be had for less.

 

If so, great.

 

But I don't see the Cubs getting involved. I think they want Murton starting. And I don't think they'd have any interest in Manny or Murton in RF. They are looking for gloves this offseason, not bats.

 

If they fail to find a bigtime producer for RF, then Delucci in a platoon with Murton and the other corner OF could be a good idea, as David can't hit lefties worth a crap, but he does handle righties.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm curious what people have to say concerning David Delluci. He'd be a fairly, cheap obtainable, leadoff man. Sure, Manny is the big name, but I believe Delluci has something to offer the Cubs should he become available in a trade.

 

Dellucci is no more of a leadoff option than Walker, and if they wouldn't use Todd there, why would they use double D's there? He's also not the impact corner OF bat I would be looking for, given the current lineup. Fix holes elsewhere, and he's fine for a role player. But Dellucci is not enough to fix the problems with this lineup.

 

Gooney,

Actually, I believe that Delluci has better OBP numbers than walker does, plus he's a might faster than a Todd Walker (even tho he doesn't steal tons of bases). As for being enough to fix the problems with the lineup, I never claimed that Delluci could do that alone. But he would be a valid option in either centerfield or rightfield IMO. Plus, he could be had fairly cheaply in terms of price and prospects. Texas is always dying for pitching. Send them one or two middle of the road pitching prospects, and they'd send us their (so called) 4th outfielder in a hurry. I really think this Delluci can contribute.

 

Dellucci vs Walker OBP

Career: .345 - .348

2005: .367 - .355

2002-2004: .347 - .345

 

Dellucci has shown a lower OBP floor than Walker in the 2000's as well, with a .326, and a year where he split a .328 with a .263 (I'm guessing the season total was about .300*).

 

The only advantage Dellucci has over Walker was 2005, but that's probably not a sustainable advantage. They are very similar, with the difference being that Walker is capable of being a solid everyday 2B while Dellucci is a platoon OF.

 

*actually that season's total was .313 (2003).

[AramisRamirez]

manny isnt coming here but we'd crush teams if we got him for something reasonable. 3 good prospects maybe with boston paying $6M-7M a year of manny's $20M-25M or whatever it is annually.

 

then we switch murton to RF and continue with adding either pierre or furcal. lets take a pierre trade. after both deals the farm would be close to sold, so we better win the world series if it goes down.

 

CF pierre

2B walker

1B lee

RF manny

3B aramis

SS cedeno

C barrett

RF murton

 

that team is pretty ridiculous. if pierre can steal 40 bases and get his BA up to .270-.275 our 3-4-5 hitters would destroy any pitching staff. and with walker and his high OBP in front of them....

 

thats such a sick lineup. plus we'd get solid production at a good cost with cedeno and murton. if we could get manny's salary down to $15M a year he would be an absolute steal. plus imagine Lee, manny, and then aramis hitting. nobody could beat them.

[AramisRamirez]

manny isnt coming here but we'd crush teams if we got him for something reasonable. 3 good prospects maybe with boston paying $6M-7M a year of manny's $20M-25M or whatever it is annually.

 

then we switch murton to RF and continue with adding either pierre or furcal. lets take a pierre trade. after both deals the farm would be close to sold, so we better win the world series if it goes down.

 

CF pierre

2B walker

1B lee

LF manny

3B aramis

SS cedeno

C barrett

RF murton

 

that team is pretty ridiculous. if pierre can steal 40 bases and get his BA up to .270-.275 our 3-4-5 hitters would destroy any pitching staff. and with walker and his high OBP in front of them....

 

thats such a sick lineup. plus we'd get solid production at a good cost with cedeno and murton. if we could get manny's salary down to $15M a year he would be an absolute steal. plus imagine Lee, manny, and then aramis hitting. nobody could beat them.

[JWCUB]

I wonder if Hendry has inquired at all about Manny?

[OleMissCub]

I think Delucci would be a fine addition...plus we are both Ole Miss Rebel Baseball alums :-)

[SeldomSeen]

I think Delucci would be a fine addition...plus we are both Ole Miss Rebel Baseball alums :-)

 

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[Athletics36]

Being reported by local sports station WEEI that minaya and the Red Sox are close on a deal for Manny...