Former Cubs suspended for roid use

[Schwarber Fan]

Felix Heredia......

 

BUSTED

[rocket]

at last, the huge name that rick sutcliffe was speculating

[CuseCubFan69]

I didn't think Felix was still in baseball. This steroid policy continues to be a joke.

[LoneStarCubFan]

The bigger joke is that Felix Heredia is still being paid to play baseball.

 

I guess the old "if you're lefthanded and breathing" adage still holds true.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

HAHAHAHAHAHA Felix Heredia. That's funny.

[goonys evil twin]

I didn't think Felix was still in baseball. This steroid policy continues to be a joke.

 

Just curious, why does a story about Felix getting busted equate to the policy being a joke? Does it have to bust bigger names to make it worthwhile?

[YearofDaCubs]

I didn't think Felix was still in baseball. This steroid policy continues to be a joke.

 

Just curious, why does a story about Felix getting busted equate to the policy being a joke? Does it have to bust bigger names to make it worthwhile?

Palmeiro was a pretty big name if you ask me.

[CuseCubFan69]

I didn't think Felix was still in baseball. This steroid policy continues to be a joke.

 

Just curious, why does a story about Felix getting busted equate to the policy being a joke? Does it have to bust bigger names to make it worthwhile?

 

No. What makes it a joke is that it's either guys that most fans have never heard of or a guy that will probably be out of baseball soon.

[TheDude]

I didn't think Felix was still in baseball. This steroid policy continues to be a joke.

 

Just curious, why does a story about Felix getting busted equate to the policy being a joke? Does it have to bust bigger names to make it worthwhile?

I was wondering the exact same thing. I don't understand how Heredia's positive test makes the policy a joke . :-s

 

Also, shouldn't there be a differentiation between the policy and the testing? Are you saying the testing is a joke, or the 10-day suspension? I thought it was agiven that most fans viewed the policy as a joke (specifically the days suspended).

[TheDude]

No. What makes it a joke is that it's either guys that most fans have never heard of or a guy that will probably be out of baseball soon.

I don't think that makes it a joke at all. It proves that guys who are bubble-talents at the major league level are willing to cheat to try and push themselves just over the bubble.

 

There are going to be far more people cheating trying to be the best than the best cheating.

[goonys evil twin]

I didn't think Felix was still in baseball. This steroid policy continues to be a joke.

 

Just curious, why does a story about Felix getting busted equate to the policy being a joke? Does it have to bust bigger names to make it worthwhile?

 

No. What makes it a joke is that it's either guys that most fans have never heard of or a guy that will probably be out of baseball soon.

 

So you think they're protecting bigger names?

 

If you ask me, it makes perfect sense that the fringe players would be taking the chance of getting caught simply to try and stay in the game. Unfortunately, the best players are rich enough to find the stuff that can't be detected. I wouldn't say that makes the policy a joke, it's just an inherent problem with all steroid testing policies.

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO bigger names are getting away with using enhancing drugs and MLB is turning its head the other way. This is why it's a joke...they are throwing the fans bones and many are accepting it which is your right. I'm not.

[CuseCubFan69]

I didn't think Felix was still in baseball. This steroid policy continues to be a joke.

 

Just curious, why does a story about Felix getting busted equate to the policy being a joke? Does it have to bust bigger names to make it worthwhile?

 

No. What makes it a joke is that it's either guys that most fans have never heard of or a guy that will probably be out of baseball soon.

 

So you think they're protecting bigger names?

 

If you ask me, it makes perfect sense that the fringe players would be taking the chance of getting caught simply to try and stay in the game. Unfortunately, the best players are rich enough to find the stuff that can't be detected. I wouldn't say that makes the policy a joke, it's just an inherent problem with all steroid testing policies.

 

Semantics. I think the fringe ones are easy to turn in.

[erik316wttn]

Semantics. I think the fringe ones are easy to turn in.

 

So then why'd they throw Raffy under the bus?

 

Does an independent 3rd party lab test the results, or do MLB employees?

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO bigger names are getting away with using enhancing drugs and MLB is turning its head the other way. This is why it's a joke...they are throwing the fans bones and many are accepting it which is your right. I'm not.

 

So then why'd they throw Raffy under the bus?

 

Does an independent 3rd party lab test the results, or do MLB employees?

 

He was expendable and part of the reason why you all are disagreeing with me. You all can feel the way you want to obviously...I just think that MLB/players union are not being truthful about this.

[erik316wttn]

IMO bigger names are getting away with using enhancing drugs and MLB is turning its head the other way. This is why it's a joke...they are throwing the fans bones and many are accepting it which is your right. I'm not.

 

So then why'd they throw Raffy under the bus?

 

Does an independent 3rd party lab test the results, or do MLB employees?

 

He was expendable and part of the reason why you all are disagreeing with me. You all can feel the way you want to obviously...I just think that MLB/players union are not being truthful about this.

 

Cuse, I do think there is a little truth in what you say. I too find it odd that with the exception of Raffy, it's been all minor leaguers and fringe players. It wouldn't shock me if there was some sort of cover-up going on.

[brfahey]

When I saw heredia's name in the news bad former cub relievers came to mind and I thought of all of the recent posts stating how farsnworth was really a good pitcher. Now I think we can all agree that Heredia has been pretty awful, on average. Take a look at his career numbers relative to those of farnsworth. Not identical but not too disparate. Now is Heredia not really that bad or is Farnsworth not as good as some would make him out to be?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

When I saw heredia's name in the news bad former cub relievers came to mind and I thought of all of the recent posts stating how farsnworth was really a good pitcher. Now I think we can all agree that Heredia has been pretty awful, on average. Take a look at his career numbers relative to those of farnsworth. Not identical but not too disparate. Now is Heredia not really that bad or is Farnsworth not as good as some would make him out to be?

 

As a Cub, Heredia never had a WHIP below 1.33, an ERA below 4.76, a K/9 over 8.65, or a K/BB greater than 2(excepting his mark in only 16 IP after he was acquired). Almost all of those are worse than Farnsworth's career numbers. They aren't similar.

[brfahey]

When I saw heredia's name in the news bad former cub relievers came to mind and I thought of all of the recent posts stating how farsnworth was really a good pitcher. Now I think we can all agree that Heredia has been pretty awful, on average. Take a look at his career numbers relative to those of farnsworth. Not identical but not too disparate. Now is Heredia not really that bad or is Farnsworth not as good as some would make him out to be?

 

As a Cub, Heredia never had a WHIP below 1.33, an ERA below 4.76, a K/9 over 8.65, or a K/BB greater than 2(excepting his mark in only 16 IP after he was acquired). Almost all of those are worse than Farnsworth's career numbers. They aren't similar.

 

I said career numbers.

[erik316wttn]

If Heredia was that bad on the juice, I shudder to think how bad he'd be off of them.

[TheDude]

IMO bigger names are getting away with using enhancing drugs and MLB is turning its head the other way. This is why it's a joke...they are throwing the fans bones and many are accepting it which is your right. I'm not.

 

So then why'd they throw Raffy under the bus?

 

Does an independent 3rd party lab test the results, or do MLB employees?

 

He was expendable and part of the reason why you all are disagreeing with me. You all can feel the way you want to obviously...I just think that MLB/players union are not being truthful about this.

 

Cuse, I do think there is a little truth in what you say. I too find it odd that with the exception of Raffy, it's been all minor leaguers and fringe players. It wouldn't shock me if there was some sort of cover-up going on.

 

The problem with a conspiracy theory is motive. Consider what MLB has to gain by protecting all-stars and then consider what it has to lose.

 

It makes no sense.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

When I saw heredia's name in the news bad former cub relievers came to mind and I thought of all of the recent posts stating how farsnworth was really a good pitcher. Now I think we can all agree that Heredia has been pretty awful, on average. Take a look at his career numbers relative to those of farnsworth. Not identical but not too disparate. Now is Heredia not really that bad or is Farnsworth not as good as some would make him out to be?

 

As a Cub, Heredia never had a WHIP below 1.33, an ERA below 4.76, a K/9 over 8.65, or a K/BB greater than 2(excepting his mark in only 16 IP after he was acquired). Almost all of those are worse than Farnsworth's career numbers. They aren't similar.

 

I said career numbers.

 

Heredia was much better the rest of his career than he was as a Cub, that's obviously going to color people's opinions like they have for Farnsworth. Also, Farnsworth's career numbers are skewed by a good chunk of innings where he was an ineffective starter.

 

Heredia: 4.42 ERA, 1.48 WHIP, 6.89 K/9, 1.51 K/BB, .255 BAA, .746 OPS against

 

Farnsworth as a reliever: 4.24 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 10.38 K/9, 2.43 K/BB, BAA and OPS unavailable(eyeballing it it looks to be easily better than .255 and .746)

 

Farnsworth is pretty clearly a better reliever.

[brfahey]

When I saw heredia's name in the news bad former cub relievers came to mind and I thought of all of the recent posts stating how farsnworth was really a good pitcher. Now I think we can all agree that Heredia has been pretty awful, on average. Take a look at his career numbers relative to those of farnsworth. Not identical but not too disparate. Now is Heredia not really that bad or is Farnsworth not as good as some would make him out to be?

 

As a Cub, Heredia never had a WHIP below 1.33, an ERA below 4.76, a K/9 over 8.65, or a K/BB greater than 2(excepting his mark in only 16 IP after he was acquired). Almost all of those are worse than Farnsworth's career numbers. They aren't similar.

 

I said career numbers.

 

Heredia was much better the rest of his career than he was as a Cub, that's obviously going to color people's opinions like they have for Farnsworth. Also, Farnsworth's career numbers are skewed by a good chunk of innings where he was an ineffective starter.

 

Heredia: 4.42 ERA, 1.48 WHIP, 6.89 K/9, 1.51 K/BB, .255 BAA, .746 OPS against

 

Farnsworth as a reliever: 4.24 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 10.38 K/9, 2.43 K/BB, BAA and OPS unavailable(eyeballing it it looks to be easily better than .255 and .746)

 

Farnsworth is pretty clearly a better reliever.

 

I didn't say he wasn't better. He may be better. But the difference between Farnsworth and Heredia is much less than the difference between Farnsworth and elite relievers. That was the point. Heredia sucks and Farnsworth ain't that much better.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

When I saw heredia's name in the news bad former cub relievers came to mind and I thought of all of the recent posts stating how farsnworth was really a good pitcher. Now I think we can all agree that Heredia has been pretty awful, on average. Take a look at his career numbers relative to those of farnsworth. Not identical but not too disparate. Now is Heredia not really that bad or is Farnsworth not as good as some would make him out to be?

 

As a Cub, Heredia never had a WHIP below 1.33, an ERA below 4.76, a K/9 over 8.65, or a K/BB greater than 2(excepting his mark in only 16 IP after he was acquired). Almost all of those are worse than Farnsworth's career numbers. They aren't similar.

 

I said career numbers.

 

Heredia was much better the rest of his career than he was as a Cub, that's obviously going to color people's opinions like they have for Farnsworth. Also, Farnsworth's career numbers are skewed by a good chunk of innings where he was an ineffective starter.

 

Heredia: 4.42 ERA, 1.48 WHIP, 6.89 K/9, 1.51 K/BB, .255 BAA, .746 OPS against

 

Farnsworth as a reliever: 4.24 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 10.38 K/9, 2.43 K/BB, BAA and OPS unavailable(eyeballing it it looks to be easily better than .255 and .746)

 

Farnsworth is pretty clearly a better reliever.

 

I didn't say he wasn't better. He may be better. But the difference between Farnsworth and Heredia is much less than the difference between Farnsworth and elite relievers. That was the point. Heredia sucks and Farnsworth ain't that much better.

 

Neither is true. Heredia wasn't a bad reliever for a couple years. And no one is claiming Farnsworth was good his first few seasons. However, Farnsworth the last several years has been very good, and trying to compare career numbers of someone 10 years older who was much worse as a Cub than his career numbers would indicate doesn't change that.

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO bigger names are getting away with using enhancing drugs and MLB is turning its head the other way. This is why it's a joke...they are throwing the fans bones and many are accepting it which is your right. I'm not.

 

So then why'd they throw Raffy under the bus?

 

Does an independent 3rd party lab test the results, or do MLB employees?

 

He was expendable and part of the reason why you all are disagreeing with me. You all can feel the way you want to obviously...I just think that MLB/players union are not being truthful about this.

 

Cuse, I do think there is a little truth in what you say. I too find it odd that with the exception of Raffy, it's been all minor leaguers and fringe players. It wouldn't shock me if there was some sort of cover-up going on.

 

The problem with a conspiracy theory is motive. Consider what MLB has to gain by protecting all-stars and then consider what it has to lose.

 

It makes no sense.

 

This is what they have to lose. MLB and the Players Union do not know what the new policy is going to be. If a decent or impact player is caught now he will a second time loser if he gets caught again and maybe kicked out of baseball. Even with the 10 day suspention this might turn into a career if caught twice so IMO MLB is holding back until they either:

A-know what the second suspention is going to be

B-Think the first might be big enough in the new one.