Braves Working on Furcal

[CubfaninCA]

Hendry needs to move either the Pacific Ocean or Giles' family to Chicago, or greatly overpay him. The only possibility of those 3 is moving his family (Marcus) to Chicago. I haven't heard anything about Mark Cuban buying the Cubs from the Trib, and SD, LA, Anaheim, Boston, Houston and St. Louis are probably all ahead of the Cubs in the bidding war. Maybe there would be a better chance if the Cubs had won 90 games this year.

 

If family/location is the big concern, how could Boston, Houston or STL be ahead of the Cubs?

 

Well, Boston probably values Giles more, and they spend more money than the Cubs. Also, they won the World Series last year and made the playoffs this year. Houston & St. Louis have made the playoffs the last 2 years as well. Like I said, if the Cubs had made the playoffs this year, they may have a better chance.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A guy w/ durability issues in his mid-20's is a concern, and saying you'll commit to a conditioning program and doing it are two different things. Perhaps this is what the Score is referring to when they say "Ramirez has worn out his welcome??"

 

As for Jones & Giles, Jones is a perennial .400 obp guy, which Ramirez isn't, and a lefthanded bat.

 

Why no concern with Chipper's fragile body? If durability and the perception that laziness leads to the injuries causes you to want to deal Ramirez, how can then turn around and acquire a guy coming off 2 straight injury marred seasons (who happens to cost much more than the guy you'd be replacing)?

 

That's a concern too. Just want to get 3 (both Giles & Chipper) for 2 (ARam & Walker or CPatt). People who think the Cubs have any shot @ B. Giles w/out some major change are dreaming. Am kinda doubtful the Cubs could get M. Giles w/out giving up a major asset. Thus my proposed deal.

 

The only way that Giles is a pipedream is if Hendry doesn't go hard after him. Anybody can be had.

 

Hendry needs to move either the Pacific Ocean or Giles' family to Chicago, or greatly overpay him. The only possibility of those 3 is moving his family (Marcus) to Chicago. I haven't heard anything about Mark Cuban buying the Cubs from the Trib, and SD, LA, Anaheim, Boston, Houston and St. Louis are probably all ahead of the Cubs in the bidding war. Maybe there would be a better chance if the Cubs had won 90 games this year.

 

You may be right on some of those teams being ahead of the Cubs on Giles, but unless Houston raises payroll by at least 10-12 million, they don't have the room to make Giles a competetive offer.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hendry needs to move either the Pacific Ocean or Giles' family to Chicago, or greatly overpay him. The only possibility of those 3 is moving his family (Marcus) to Chicago. I haven't heard anything about Mark Cuban buying the Cubs from the Trib, and SD, LA, Anaheim, Boston, Houston and St. Louis are probably all ahead of the Cubs in the bidding war. Maybe there would be a better chance if the Cubs had won 90 games this year.

 

If family/location is the big concern, how could Boston, Houston or STL be ahead of the Cubs?

 

Well, Boston probably values Giles more, and they spend more money than the Cubs. Also, they won the World Series last year and made the playoffs this year. Houston & St. Louis have made the playoffs the last 2 years as well. Like I said, if the Cubs had made the playoffs this year, they may have a better chance.

 

Unless Boston trades Nixon or Manny, they won't be going after Giles.

[CubfaninCA]

Hendry needs to move either the Pacific Ocean or Giles' family to Chicago, or greatly overpay him. The only possibility of those 3 is moving his family (Marcus) to Chicago. I haven't heard anything about Mark Cuban buying the Cubs from the Trib, and SD, LA, Anaheim, Boston, Houston and St. Louis are probably all ahead of the Cubs in the bidding war. Maybe there would be a better chance if the Cubs had won 90 games this year.

 

If family/location is the big concern, how could Boston, Houston or STL be ahead of the Cubs?

 

They win?

 

But what does that have to do with family? Nobody has bid on anybody yet. Only SD can talk to Giles. Nobody is ahead of anybody else. The Cubs can get him if they want him. It's insane to talk about the impossibility of signing him.

 

I'm just saying that if Giles rules out the home thing that winning teams would be the next thing on the list unless cash is the most important thing to him.

 

Bingo. He may take a discount to play for a winner. However, I still think Anaheim makes the most sense, if he's willing to play LF and Anderson's cool w/ being a DH.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If moving form CA is not an issue for Giles, and the Cubs offer the most money, I doubt that he thinks he can't win in Chicago. While the Cubs failed miserably, I think a FA will look at the starting pitching and the core of Lee and Ramirez and will believe that they can make the difference. The key will be the Cubs putting out the most money.

[CubfaninCA]

Hendry needs to move either the Pacific Ocean or Giles' family to Chicago, or greatly overpay him. The only possibility of those 3 is moving his family (Marcus) to Chicago. I haven't heard anything about Mark Cuban buying the Cubs from the Trib, and SD, LA, Anaheim, Boston, Houston and St. Louis are probably all ahead of the Cubs in the bidding war. Maybe there would be a better chance if the Cubs had won 90 games this year.

 

If family/location is the big concern, how could Boston, Houston or STL be ahead of the Cubs?

 

Well, Boston probably values Giles more, and they spend more money than the Cubs. Also, they won the World Series last year and made the playoffs this year. Houston & St. Louis have made the playoffs the last 2 years as well. Like I said, if the Cubs had made the playoffs this year, they may have a better chance.

 

Unless Boston trades Nixon or Manny, they won't be going after Giles.

 

It sounds like Manny's gone. I keep hearing Manny to the Mets.

[CubfaninCA]

If moving form CA is not an issue for Giles, and the Cubs offer the most money, I doubt that he thinks he can't win in Chicago. While the Cubs failed miserably, I think a FA will look at the starting pitching and the core of Lee and Ramirez and will believe that they can make the difference. The key will be the Cubs putting out the most money.

 

The problem w/ that is the Cubs putting out the most money.

 

I'd handicap it as....

 

1) SD & Anaheim ~ He's been w/SD and family's in SD. Anaheim's near family, they need a bat like Giles, they spend lots of money and they win.

3) Boston ~ They win, value Giles and spend LOTS of money.

4) LA ~ They're near family and DePo values Giles. However, the McCourt's are in the process of running the franchise into the ground.

5) St. Louis ~ They win & spend a substantial amount of money. He could replace Larry Walker.

6) Houston ~ They win & really need someone like Giles, but probably a long shot.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It is amazing how 75% (roughly, lol) of the threads here end up talking about Giles instead of the original topic.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

1) SD & Anaheim ~ He's been w/SD and family's in SD. Anaheim's near family, they need a bat like Giles, they spend lots of money and they win.

 

S.D. is in the driver's seat, in my opinion, but I'm not sure how much money they will or will have to spend. Giles has been critical of PETCO and while he may want to stay home, he may want out of that park as well.

 

Anaheim could go after him, but will he be their main target. They already have Finley, Vlad, and Anderson for the OF and numerous young candidates for DH. They will be losing Salmon money, so they could afford Giles, but he may or may not be their primary target.

3) Boston ~ They win, value Giles and spend LOTS of money.

 

Boston won't do anything until they move Manny. That could happen, or it could not. Right now it's just a lot of speculation. Even if Boston has its eye on Giles, if there's a delay in dealing Manny, it could hinder any efforts to sign Giles.

 

4) LA ~ They're near family and DePo values Giles. However, the McCourt's are in the process of running the franchise into the ground.

 

LA is likely the one I'd fear the most, but they signed two big contracts in Kent and Drew last season. Also, is McCourt cutting payroll? That could play a huge factor in what happens.

 

5) St. Louis ~ They win & spend a substantial amount of money. He could replace Larry Walker.

 

St. Louis will no doubtly place an offer. I think if we wanted, we could siginificantly outbid anything the Cardinals offer. I think if it's between the Cubs and Cardinals, he'll go with the highest offer.

 

6) Houston ~ They win & really need someone like Giles, but probably a long shot.

 

Unless he'll play for 6-8 million, he's not going to Houston. I've detailed the Astros finances in another thread, so I won't do it again, but I don't see the Astros adding any big name signings this offseason. The cash isn't there.

 

The main hinderance I see in the Cubs getting Giles is that I don't think he's Hendry's main target. Because of that, I figure we'll be in the discussions, but may not make the final push needed to land him. If th Cubs fail to land Giles, I think it will have more to do with the fact that Hendry pursued other needs moreso than because of other teams winning more.

[YearofDaCubs]

SD has to deal with a bad contract in Klesko and I do think SD is looking to acquire more offense so it should be interesting. Giles though knows that his numbers at PetCo are not as good if he plaed at a different park and that might persuade him to leave from there. I also think that the Red Sox should be more worried about their pitching than their offense. Bottom line, Hendry needs to step up. It better not be a pathetic offseason like this year.

 

EDIT: I do want to add that SD should put more effort into acquiring right-handers instead of lefties if they want to be more successful. They also have a bad contract in Chan Ho Park.

[TheDude]

It is amazing how 75% (roughly, lol) of the threads here end up talking about Giles instead of the original topic.

It's more amazing that 99% make mention of Neifi Perez and some random dig at Dusty.

 

Anyway, on topic:

 

I would welcome Furcal in a heartbeat, with Cedeno sliding over to 2B. I'm willing to go through growing pains with Cedeno at 2B.

 

I would also welcome a trade for Giles that involves excess young pitching (not Ramirez) outgoing, and then move Walker to Cleveland for a promising young hitter, even if not MLB ready, or a middle reliever. Then you run with Cedeno at SS.

 

Either way, I feel pretty strongly that we will see one of the Atlanta DP guys pairing up with Cedeno in Chicago next year.

[goonys evil twin]

It is amazing how 75% (roughly, lol) of the threads here end up talking about Giles instead of the original topic.

It's more amazing that 99% make mention of Neifi Perez

 

I haven't read anything about Neifi in quite a while. That was the first.

 

 

As for Dusty, well, it's just amazing to me how incredibly obvious his flaws are to everybody but Andy and Hendry. :lol:

[CubfaninCA]

vance,

 

There's no telling w/ the McCourts. They seem like snakes. Apparently, he promised to field a $100 million payroll a few years and they haven't come close. I wouldn't be surprised to see them keep payroll stable. However, they really raked in the money this year. Iirc they were 2nd in attendance behind the Yankees. Perhaps he'll up pay. Doubt it though. LA may have another Donald Sterling, but the media may not let him get away w/ being cheap. The LA Times and local radio stations have pounded the McCourt's relentlessly. Unlike the Clippers, they don't have the Lakers to take the pressure off. The Angels won't take pressure off. Anaheim/Orange County & LA are two different areas altogether.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It is amazing how 75% (roughly, lol) of the threads here end up talking about Giles instead of the original topic.

It's more amazing that 99% make mention of Neifi Perez and some random dig at Dusty.

 

Anyway, on topic:

 

I would welcome Furcal in a heartbeat, with Cedeno sliding over to 2B. I'm willing to go through growing pains with Cedeno at 2B.

 

I would also welcome a trade for Giles that involves excess young pitching (not Ramirez) outgoing, and then move Walker to Cleveland for a promising young hitter, even if not MLB ready, or a middle reliever. Then you run with Cedeno at SS.

 

Either way, I feel pretty strongly that we will see one of the Atlanta DP guys pairing up with Cedeno in Chicago next year.

 

When necessary, always use hyperbole is what I say.

[Backtobanks]

1) SD & Anaheim ~ He's been w/SD and family's in SD. Anaheim's near family, they need a bat like Giles, they spend lots of money and they win.

 

S.D. is in the driver's seat, in my opinion, but I'm not sure how much money they will or will have to spend. Giles has been critical of PETCO and while he may want to stay home, he may want out of that park as well.

 

Anaheim could go after him, but will he be their main target. They already have Finley, Vlad, and Anderson for the OF and numerous young candidates for DH. They will be losing Salmon money, so they could afford Giles, but he may or may not be their primary target.

3) Boston ~ They win, value Giles and spend LOTS of money.

 

Boston won't do anything until they move Manny. That could happen, or it could not. Right now it's just a lot of speculation. Even if Boston has its eye on Giles, if there's a delay in dealing Manny, it could hinder any efforts to sign Giles.

 

4) LA ~ They're near family and DePo values Giles. However, the McCourt's are in the process of running the franchise into the ground.

 

LA is likely the one I'd fear the most, but they signed two big contracts in Kent and Drew last season. Also, is McCourt cutting payroll? That could play a huge factor in what happens.

 

5) St. Louis ~ They win & spend a substantial amount of money. He could replace Larry Walker.

 

St. Louis will no doubtly place an offer. I think if we wanted, we could siginificantly outbid anything the Cardinals offer. I think if it's between the Cubs and Cardinals, he'll go with the highest offer.

6) Houston ~ They win & really need someone like Giles, but probably a long shot.

 

Unless he'll play for 6-8 million, he's not going to Houston. I've detailed the Astros finances in another thread, so I won't do it again, but I don't see the Astros adding any big name signings this offseason. The cash isn't there.

 

The main hinderance I see in the Cubs getting Giles is that I don't think he's Hendry's main target. Because of that, I figure we'll be in the discussions, but may not make the final push needed to land him. If th Cubs fail to land Giles, I think it will have more to do with the fact that Hendry pursued other needs moreso than because of other teams winning more.

 

I think he will stay on the West Coast, but he would fit right in with the Cards and he's their type of player.

[nilodnayr]

All of Walker's money and then some will go to raises. I think the cards and the astros cant get anywhere close to competing financially with the other contenders. The dodgers are about 5M cheaper next year but they will need that money to resign/replace Weaver so that puts them at about a 5M increase. If they are staying pat salarywise they arent going to be able to make a realistic offer. I really think Anaheim might be the best bed. Arte Moreno has an open checkbook and a WS contending team should not have Jeff DaVannon and Juan Rivera DHing. DH Garret Anderson to keep him healthy and stick Giles in left. If (and thats a big if) boston trades Manny then they become the front runner.

[TheDude]

It is amazing how 75% (roughly, lol) of the threads here end up talking about Giles instead of the original topic.

It's more amazing that 99% make mention of Neifi Perez

 

I haven't read anything about Neifi in quite a while. That was the first.

All you had to do was scroll back to the very first response of this thread :lol:.