8/31 Dodgers (Lowe) vs. Cubs (Rusch), 1:20pm WGN

[JGalt73]

Value Over Replacement Player (VORP) - roughly runs contributed:

 

Burntiz 19.4

Neifi 14.3

Hairston 6.7

 

When adjusted for playing time the order remains the same.

 

Interestingly, Neifi's now a top 10 NL SS in VORP...

Edited August 31, 2005 by JGalt73

[goonys evil twin]

if you don't care why did you ask the question? i answered. i did not say he was great or didn't suck. i answered your question aboout what i meant by neifi outhit him...i meant he had a higher average. i did not say he was a better player or that he was more valuable just a had a better average.

 

Which in the end is completely meaningless to the debate of whether Neifi has been the 4th or 5th best hitter on the team this year.

[goonys evil twin]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

[neely crenshaw]

i think the stats certainly bare out that neifi to this point has been better than hairston. save for obp it's in neifi's favor or a wash.

 

Save for OBP? OBP is meaningful, it overrides the avg difference, and SLG is a wash, basically non-existent. Neifi has played a lot more than Hairston, and used differently, which explains the difference in counting stats. Throw-in Neifi's inexcusable 17 GIDPs (compared to JH's 4) and there's no debate.

i don't see where a guy getting on base 1 more time every 2 weeks puts everything else out the door. it is certainly arguable that neifi has been better.

the point of my whole argument was that it is very sad that this team has been so bad that neifi has been one of the better offensive threats. even if we take the argument that he was the 7th best...with his stats that is terrible.

[brfahey]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

[Garwilly]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

 

Topic of the hour?

 

Not every discussionhas to be about Corey. This one for instance, is about the Niefster.

[brfahey]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

 

Topic of the hour?

 

Not every discussionhas to be about Corey. This one for instance, is about the Niefster.

 

Some of the people on this board have an unbelievable double standard.

[Garwilly]

Lead off hit, think Lowe can finish the job on 27 straight outs?

[Brian]

I sure hope this is the end of the road for the g-unit, since Sergio is pitching today as well, I see no reason for him not to take the ball for the Cubs in 5 days.

[neely crenshaw]

30 points on a 1000 scale- 500 at bats in a season

15 times on base

25+ weeks in a season

basically on base once more every 2 weeks.

[Garwilly]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

 

Topic of the hour?

 

Not every discussionhas to be about Corey. This one for instance, is about the Niefster.

 

Some of the people on this board have an unbelievable double standard.

 

Are you talking about me? If so, please enlighten me....otherwise, carryon.

[neely crenshaw]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

 

Topic of the hour?

 

Not every discussionhas to be about Corey. This one for instance, is about the Niefster.

 

Some of the people on this board have an unbelievable double standard.

 

there is absolutely nothing argue about with corey....he has been awful, no fun in just agreeing

[brfahey]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

 

Topic of the hour?

 

Not every discussionhas to be about Corey. This one for instance, is about the Niefster.

 

Some of the people on this board have an unbelievable double standard.

 

Are you talking about me? If so, please enlighten me....otherwise, carryon.

 

I'm talking about those criticizing players for being non-productive and mentioning a number of names without Patterson's name coming up. Those and all the excuse makers for him earlier in the year ("it's, sob, Dusty's fault, sob, that Corey swing, sob, at pitches over, sob, his head.") who never desist in ripping Perez and macias while calling for an end to Patterson bashing.

[JGalt73]

Know what the difference between hitting .250 and .300 is? It's 25 hits. 25 hits in 500 at bats is 50 points, okay? There's 6 months in a season, that's about 25 weeks. That means if you get just one extra flare a week - just one - a gorp... you get a groundball, you get a groundball with eyes... you get a dying quail, just one more dying quail a week... and you're in Yankee Stadium.

-- Crash Davis

[imb]

Value Over Replacement Player (VORP) - roughly runs contributed:

 

Burntiz 19.4

Neifi 14.3

Hairston 6.7

 

When adjusted for playing time the order remains the same.

 

Interestingly, Neifi's now a top 10 NL SS in VORP...

 

Why is that interesting? That means he's at the bottom of the barrell.

[Garwilly]

Value Over Replacement Player (VORP) - roughly runs contributed:

 

Burntiz 19.4

Neifi 14.3

Hairston 6.7

 

When adjusted for playing time the order remains the same.

 

Interestingly, Neifi's now a top 10 NL SS in VORP...

 

Why is that interesting? That means he's at the bottom of the barrell.

 

10 of 16 is not bottom of the barrell, it is by no means good, but not bottom of the barrell.

[imb]

Yeah, it is.

[Tracer Bullet]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

 

Topic of the hour?

 

Not every discussionhas to be about Corey. This one for instance, is about the Niefster.

 

Some of the people on this board have an unbelievable double standard.

 

Are you talking about me? If so, please enlighten me....otherwise, carryon.

 

I'm talking about those criticizing players for being non-productive and mentioning a number of names without Patterson's name coming up. Those and all the excuse makers for him earlier in the year ("it's, sob, Dusty's fault, sob, that Corey swing, sob, at pitches over, sob, his head.") who never desist in ripping Perez and macias while calling for an end to Patterson bashing.

 

Not sure what point you're trying to make. There's been lots of discussion about CPatt's poor performance this year on this board. Today, we're discussing how Neifi compares to Burnitz & Hairston. We're clearly not talking about everyone who has had a bad year (I don't think Macias has been mentioned once). If you'd like us to add Patterson to the mix, fine.

 

IMO, Patterson has been worse than Burnitz, Hairston, and Neifi. Please discuss.

[LoneStarCubFan]

I wasn't paying real close attention today.

 

Who got the hit?

[Chocolate Milk]

Is it illegal to criticize patterson on these boards now? So much time is spent criticizing Neifi (appropriately, to a degree) without a mention of Patterson. That is dumbfounding.

 

I'm sorry, I was unaware this board was lacking in Corey bashing.

 

The point is there is a discussion of guys who haven'r produced and his name isn't being mentioned. Give me a break. Why does Perez merit greater bashing than patterson?

 

Topic of the hour?

 

Not every discussionhas to be about Corey. This one for instance, is about the Niefster.

 

Some of the people on this board have an unbelievable double standard.

 

Are you talking about me? If so, please enlighten me....otherwise, carryon.

 

I'm talking about those criticizing players for being non-productive and mentioning a number of names without Patterson's name coming up. Those and all the excuse makers for him earlier in the year ("it's, sob, Dusty's fault, sob, that Corey swing, sob, at pitches over, sob, his head.") who never desist in ripping Perez and macias while calling for an end to Patterson bashing.

 

Are you just trying to start fights? Who says there has to be equal time for bashing the Cubs plethora of crap-ass players? Start a Patterson thread if you care so much.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Value Over Replacement Player (VORP) - roughly runs contributed:

 

Burntiz 19.4

Neifi 14.3

Hairston 6.7

 

When adjusted for playing time the order remains the same.

 

Interestingly, Neifi's now a top 10 NL SS in VORP...

 

Why is that interesting? That means he's at the bottom of the barrell.

 

10 of 16 is not bottom of the barrell, it is by no means good, but not bottom of the barrell.

& he was also signed this year with the intention of him being a back-up SS, not a starting one. Not bad!

[johnnyba99]

I wasn't paying real close attention today.

 

Who got the hit?

 

lead-off single by Hairston.

[imb]

Out of 13 qualifying NL SS, Neifi is 10th in RC/G. Ahead of such luminaries as Royce Clayton, Jack Wilson and Cesar Izturis.

 

And out of 23 qualifying MLB SS, he is 18th. Face it, he's garbage, whether he was signed as a backup or not, he sucks, and anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.

 

I'm not saying that it's necessarily possible that we could have gotten anyone better in the offseason, but that doesnt change the fact that he in fact, sucks.

[Tracer Bullet]

I wasn't paying real close attention today.

 

Who got the hit?

 

lead-off single by Hairston.

 

Who was promptly doubled up by Neifi...The 10th best SS in the NL!! (IMB! is right, not really that interesting).

[AR-Baseball-Fan]

Finally, a Dusty post game comment that I can agree with, "The month of August has been horrible."