Great, now Taguchi gets drilled!

[indifferent]

In the hand. I have no doubt he will lose some time with this. The Cards are literally dropping like flies!

[reggiemiller rules]

Yeah that way that sounded when they showed the replay his hand has to be broken it sounded awful full speed.

[Brian34Cook]

It happens but it sucks..

[erik316wttn]

So what, Edmonds gets drilled every night.

 

Sorry, sorry, it's a family site, I know. I just couldn't resist taking a shot at Edmonds.

[TruffleShuffle]

Don't worry, I'm sure whatever no talent arse clown they call up from the minors will do just fine until he's healed.

[K-Town]

Don't worry, I'm sure whatever no talent arse clown they call up from the minors will do just fine until he's healed.

 

You mean like John Rodriguez, he of the "sparkling" .788 OPS?

 

Or Hector Lunda, with the .722 OPS?

 

Or Scott Seabol, who is carrying the team with his .596 OPS?

 

Or maybe you're talking about Mike Mahoney, and his .450 OPS?

 

Or maybe John Gall, with his .596 OPS is your guy?

 

 

Exactly who ARE you talking about?

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Probably a dumb question, and it's probably already been answered on here, but did Walker and Sanders come off the DL yet?

[K-Town]

Probably a dumb question, and it's probably already been answered on here, but did Walker and Sanders come off the DL yet?

 

Walker, yes. Molina, yes. Sanders, not yet (probably September). Rolen, done. Grudz, still out. Taguchi's X-rays were apparently negative, so that's good.

[1908]

Don't worry, I'm sure whatever no talent arse clown they call up from the minors will do just fine until he's healed.

 

You mean like John Rodriguez, he of the "sparkling" .788 OPS?

 

Or Hector Lunda, with the .722 OPS?

 

Or Scott Seabol, who is carrying the team with his .596 OPS?

 

Or maybe you're talking about Mike Mahoney, and his .450 OPS?

 

Or maybe John Gall, with his .596 OPS is your guy?

 

 

Exactly who ARE you talking about?

How about Taguchi himself? He hit .277/.333/.387 across his 9 years in Japan, with a .773 career-high OPS, making his .296/.337/.443 line this year unlikely. Heck, I'm very surprised he's had any success at all in MLB.

[K-Town]

Don't worry, I'm sure whatever no talent arse clown they call up from the minors will do just fine until he's healed.

 

You mean like John Rodriguez, he of the "sparkling" .788 OPS?

 

Or Hector Lunda, with the .722 OPS?

 

Or Scott Seabol, who is carrying the team with his .596 OPS?

 

Or maybe you're talking about Mike Mahoney, and his .450 OPS?

 

Or maybe John Gall, with his .596 OPS is your guy?

 

 

Exactly who ARE you talking about?

How about Taguchi himself? He hit .277/.333/.387 across his 9 years in Japan, with a .773 career-high OPS, making his .296/.337/.443 line this year unlikely. Heck, I'm very surprised he's had any success at all in MLB.

 

He's having a good year, but he's worked very hard since he cam from Japan. And I'm guessing he wasn't hitting in a lineup with guys like Pujols, Edmonds, etc. in Japan. He's having a decent year, but you can't expect EVERY player to play below norm.

[1908]

He's having a good year, but he's worked very hard since he cam from Japan.

He worked very hard while in Japan too. Almost every player does over there.

 

And I'm guessing he wasn't hitting in a lineup with guys like Pujols, Edmonds, etc. in Japan.

He hit in the same lineup as Ichiro (.353/.421/.522 across his 9 years in Japan) for 8 years. Besides, I'm not sure that's much of a factor anyway. But I'll leave that for one of our more sabermetric-ly inclined members to address.

 

He's having a decent year, but you can't expect EVERY player to play below norm.

But he's head and shoulders better than he should be. Just compare Ichiro's career numbers in Japan (see above) with his MLB numbers -- .334/.379/.443. Or how about Hideki Matsui? .304/.413/.582 over 9 years in Japan versus .294/.368/.483 in MLB.

[K-Town]

He's having a good year, but he's worked very hard since he cam from Japan.

He worked very hard while in Japan too. Almost every player does over there.

 

And I'm guessing he wasn't hitting in a lineup with guys like Pujols, Edmonds, etc. in Japan.

He hit in the same lineup as Ichiro (.353/.421/.522 across his 9 years in Japan) for 8 years. Besides, I'm not sure that's much of a factor anyway. But I'll leave that for one of our more sabermetric-ly inclined members to address.

 

He's having a decent year, but you can't expect EVERY player to play below norm.

But he's head and shoulders better than he should be. Just compare Ichiro's career numbers in Japan (see above) with his MLB numbers -- .334/.379/.443. Or how about Hideki Matsui? .304/.413/.582 over 9 years in Japan versus .294/.368/.483 in MLB.

 

 

Two words: Derrek Lee

 

It happens.

[1908]

He's having a good year, but he's worked very hard since he cam from Japan.

He worked very hard while in Japan too. Almost every player does over there.

 

And I'm guessing he wasn't hitting in a lineup with guys like Pujols, Edmonds, etc. in Japan.

He hit in the same lineup as Ichiro (.353/.421/.522 across his 9 years in Japan) for 8 years. Besides, I'm not sure that's much of a factor anyway. But I'll leave that for one of our more sabermetric-ly inclined members to address.

 

He's having a decent year, but you can't expect EVERY player to play below norm.

But he's head and shoulders better than he should be. Just compare Ichiro's career numbers in Japan (see above) with his MLB numbers -- .334/.379/.443. Or how about Hideki Matsui? .304/.413/.582 over 9 years in Japan versus .294/.368/.483 in MLB.

 

 

Two words: Derrek Lee

 

It happens.

A lot more likely at 29 than 36, though, right?

[K-Town]

By the way, you pretty much made my point with the Ichiro example. Ichiro comes to America, is place in a "so-so" lineup, and there's no improvement in his game. Taguchi comes to America, is put in the middle of a very good lineup, and he excels. My theory would be that the "nasty stuff" is being saved for guys like Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen (when healthy), Walker, etc., and a pitcher may try to "take a break" with Taguchi. Maybe Taguchi is taking advantage of the pitchers losing focus. Who knows?

 

Do you think he was working as hard in Japan as he's working here? He wasn't trying to work his way up from the minor leagues in Japan. That's been the case here. He's spent ALOT of time in Memphis, and has had to prove himself in order to secure a job with the big club. He's on record as saying that he's enjoying the challenge in America. He even took less money to stay here this year, because he wanted to excel against the very best that the world has to offer.

[K-Town]

He's having a good year, but he's worked very hard since he cam from Japan.

He worked very hard while in Japan too. Almost every player does over there.

 

And I'm guessing he wasn't hitting in a lineup with guys like Pujols, Edmonds, etc. in Japan.

He hit in the same lineup as Ichiro (.353/.421/.522 across his 9 years in Japan) for 8 years. Besides, I'm not sure that's much of a factor anyway. But I'll leave that for one of our more sabermetric-ly inclined members to address.

 

He's having a decent year, but you can't expect EVERY player to play below norm.

But he's head and shoulders better than he should be. Just compare Ichiro's career numbers in Japan (see above) with his MLB numbers -- .334/.379/.443. Or how about Hideki Matsui? .304/.413/.582 over 9 years in Japan versus .294/.368/.483 in MLB.

 

 

Two words: Derrek Lee

 

It happens.

A lot more likely at 29 than 36, though, right?

 

I don't know, is it? Look at Barry Bonds. Roger Clemens. Woody Williams. That's just off the top of my head. I expect we could both find examples of each case, if we looked hard enough.

[1908]

By the way, you pretty much made my point with the Ichiro example. Ichiro comes to America, is place in a "so-so" lineup, and there's no improvement in his game. Taguchi comes to America, is put in the middle of a very good lineup, and he excels. My theory would be that the "nasty stuff" is being saved for guys like Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen (when healthy), Walker, etc., and a pitcher may try to "take a break" with Taguchi. Maybe Taguchi is taking advantage of the pitchers losing focus. Who knows?

How does your theory account for Hideki Matsui's drop-off? There's a measureable difference in the level of play in Japan (NPB) versus MLB. MLB is a more difficult league. That accounts for Ichiro's and Hideki's (and Iguchi's) dropoff in performance.

 

Do you think he was working as hard in Japan as he's working here? He wasn't trying to work his way up from the minor leagues in Japan.

Are you just making stuff up? Taguchi made his debut at 22. Where do you think he played before that? The Japanese minor leagues perhaps?

 

He even took less money to stay here this year, because he wanted to excel against the very best that the world has to offer.

That's true of every player that's come over from Japan.

[1908]

Two words: Derrek Lee

 

It happens.

A lot more likely at 29 than 36, though, right?

 

I don't know, is it? Look at Barry Bonds. Roger Clemens. Woody Williams. That's just off the top of my head. I expect we could both find examples of each case, if we looked hard enough.

Yes, it is. Pitchers are a difference animal than hitters. They tend to peak a lot later. And there's some reason to suspect Bonds' resurgence during his late 30s.

 

Edited to fix formatting issue.

[K-Town]

By the way, you pretty much made my point with the Ichiro example. Ichiro comes to America, is place in a "so-so" lineup, and there's no improvement in his game. Taguchi comes to America, is put in the middle of a very good lineup, and he excels. My theory would be that the "nasty stuff" is being saved for guys like Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen (when healthy), Walker, etc., and a pitcher may try to "take a break" with Taguchi. Maybe Taguchi is taking advantage of the pitchers losing focus. Who knows?

How does your theory account for Hideki Matsui's drop-off? There's a measureable difference in the level of play in Japan (NPB) versus MLB. MLB is a more difficult league. That accounts for Ichiro's and Hideki's (and Iguchi's) dropoff in performance.

 

Do you think he was working as hard in Japan as he's working here? He wasn't trying to work his way up from the minor leagues in Japan.

Are you just making stuff up? Taguchi made his debut at 22. Where do you think he played before that? The Japanese minor leagues perhaps?

 

He even took less money to stay here this year, because he wanted to excel against the very best that the world has to offer.

That's true of every player that's come over from Japan.

 

What do you mean "am I making stuff up"? Why are you being a jerk about it?

 

I thought we were comparing Taguchi's perfmance in Japan to Taguchi's performance in America. You gave me his Japanese numbers (the ones where he WASN'T working his way out of the minor leagues), and his American numbers (where he WAS working his way up from the minor leagues). I'm not that concerned what he did 15 years ago, quite frankly.

 

It's true of every player that's come from Japan? Really? Are you making THAT up, or do you have a link (because I can give you a link of Taguchi saying that he wanted to stay here for that very reason). Players like Matsui and Ichiro are making the big bucks over here. That MIGHT have something to do with why they're staying here. Taguchi is making next to nothing. He got better offers from Japan last year, but stayed here because he wanted the challenge, instead of the money.

 

 

Where did you find Taguchi's OPS numbers from Japan? I've looked at ESPN and Baseball Cube, but can't find the Japanese numbers.

[K-Town]

Two words: Derrek Lee

 

It happens.

A lot more likely at 29 than 36, though, right?

 

I don't know, is it? Look at Barry Bonds. Roger Clemens. Woody Williams. That's just off the top of my head. I expect we could both find examples of each case, if we looked hard enough.

Yes, it is. Pitchers are a difference animal than hitters. They tend to peak a lot later. And there's some reason to suspect Bonds' resurgence during his late 30s.

 

Edited to fix formatting issue.

 

Moises Alou has had some of his best years in his 30's, and is performing better at age 39 than he did at age 29. It happens.

[1908]

What do you mean "am I making stuff up"? Why are you being a jerk about it?

 

I thought we were comparing Taguchi's perfmance in Japan to Taguchi's performance in America.

Save the insults. We're comparing Taguchi's performace in NPB to his performance in MLB.

 

It's true of every player that's come from Japan? Really? Are you making THAT up, or do you have a link (because I can give you a link of Taguchi saying that he wanted to stay here for that very reason). Players like Matsui and Ichiro are making the big bucks over here. That MIGHT have something to do with why they're staying here. Taguchi is making next to nothing. He got better offers from Japan last year, but stayed here because he wanted the challenge, instead of the money.

Ichiro, Hideki, Iguchi, etc. all took a paycut to play in MLB instead of stay in Japan. If you want to believe I'm making that up, I could care less. I also know that Taguchi played minor league ball in Japan. That's why I asked if you were making things up when you declared "He wasn't trying to work his way up from the minor leagues in Japan."

 

Where did you find Taguchi's OPS numbers from Japan? I've looked at ESPN and Baseball Cube, but can't find the Japanese numbers.

His name is linked above.

[K-Town]

What do you mean "am I making stuff up"? Why are you being a jerk about it?

 

I thought we were comparing Taguchi's perfmance in Japan to Taguchi's performance in America.

Save the insults. We're comparing Taguchi's performace in NPB to his performance in MLB.

 

It's true of every player that's come from Japan? Really? Are you making THAT up, or do you have a link (because I can give you a link of Taguchi saying that he wanted to stay here for that very reason). Players like Matsui and Ichiro are making the big bucks over here. That MIGHT have something to do with why they're staying here. Taguchi is making next to nothing. He got better offers from Japan last year, but stayed here because he wanted the challenge, instead of the money.

Ichiro, Hideki, Iguchi, etc. all took a paycut to play in MLB instead of stay in Japan. If you want to believe I'm making that up, I could care less. I also know that Taguchi played minor league ball in Japan. That's why I asked if you were making things up when you declared "He wasn't trying to work his way up from the minor leagues in Japan."

 

Where did you find Taguchi's OPS numbers from Japan? I've looked at ESPN and Baseball Cube, but can't find the Japanese numbers.

His name is linked above.

 

Linked above "what"?

 

You're awfully grouchy about all of this, and I'm not sure why. Taguchi is having a good year. So what? Do you think that makes the Cardinals "cheaters", or what? Do you think that the Cardinals are "up to no good", just because one player is having a slightly better year than what you would expect? It's not like Taguchi is setting the world on fire. He's been a decent replacement player. I wouldn't want him as an everyday outfielder.

 

You should relax a little. I'm not here to stir up trouble. I just don't like to be accused of "making things up". There's a difference between keeping things in context (which is what I was doing) and "making things up".

[1908]

Linked above "what"?

Above on the web page. His name is linked in my first post in this thread.

 

You're awfully grouchy about all of this, and I'm not sure why.

You called me a jerk. Before that, I wasn't grouchy at all.

 

Taguchi is having a good year. So what? Do you think that makes the Cardinals "cheaters", or what? Do you think that the Cardinals are "up to no good", just because one player is having a slightly better year than what you would expect? It's not like Taguchi is setting the world on fire. He's been a decent replacement player. I wouldn't want him as an everyday outfielder.

Based on his Japanese numbers, Taguchi is setting the world on fire. That's my point. Never said it was a big deal. Just pointing it out because this thread's about Taguchi and I happen to follow Japanese baseball.

 

I have no idea where you're going with the "cheater" or "up to no good" stuff. Were you talking about that stuff with someone else?

 

You should relax a little. I'm not here to stir up trouble. I just don't like to be accused of "making things up". There's a difference between keeping things in context (which is what I was doing) and "making things up".

You should do a little research on a topic before you debate it. I didn't think you were stirring up trouble. You did seem to be making comments off the cuff to try to prove your point, though.

[reggiemiller rules]

Apperently ever thread in this section about the Cardnials is gonna turn into an argument about the Cards overachieving and is gonna involve K-town arguing with cubs fans. Cant we just start a Ktown thread where all the cubs fans can attack him and he can aruge with you guys because every thread in here ends up that way.

[1908]

Apperently ever thread in this section about the Cardnials is gonna turn into an argument about the Cards overachieving and is gonna involve K-town arguing with cubs fans. Cant we just start a Ktown thread where all the cubs fans can attack him and he can aruge with you guys because every thread in here ends up that way.

Would you prefer a board with less Cubs fans perhaps?

[reggiemiller rules]

No im not saying that all im saying is that every thread in here turns into the exact same argument so why not just stick to the same thread.