Waiver/Trade Rules for August

[HoopsCubs]

Im thinking there is a good chance that Griffey may go to a new team through the waivers. His contract is way to big for someone to pick up without a trade where the Reds pay part of it.

 

Believe it or not, I don't think Griffey would clear waivers. With both Bernie Williams and Kevin Brown coming off the payroll after this season, I think the Yankees would claim him. And Cincinnati would pull him back because as much as the financial relief is tempting, their fans would be pissed if Griffey left for nothing.

[HoopsCubs]

Perhaps this can be made into a sticky thread, so there aren't several threads asking how waiver claims work. This info is from here on MLB.com:

 

Waiver Rundown

After the July 31 deadline, any player on a 40-man roster must clear Major League waivers before being traded. That is, the player must be offered to the other teams in reverse order of the standings, and if he is claimed by one of the teams he cannot be traded. The club that made the waiver request can either withdraw the request and keep the player or let the player go to the claiming team, which would then have the rights to the player and be obligated to that player's current contract.

 

A waiver, which is a permission granted for certain assignments of player contracts, can get complicated if more than one team makes a waiver claim. If more than one club in the same league makes a claim, then the club currently lower in the standings gets the player. If clubs in both leagues claim the player, preference goes to the club in the same league as the club requesting waivers.

 

If none of that makes sense, think of it this way.

 

Throughout the season, players ranging from superstar to end-of-the-bench, barely-in-the-bigs status routinely and often quietly go on waiver lists. This is a routine manner in which teams can figure out how much interest certain players are gathering from other teams and try to get trade talks going.

 

The same withdrawal guidelines are in effect now, with one big difference in the sequence: Teams waive players with the explicit intent of shedding them and their contracts. In other words, if Team A puts in a claim just to prevent Team B from making a deal, Team A might find itself with an unwanted drain on its payroll.

 

The best example of this came in 1998 with the San Diego Padres, who put in a claim for lefty closer Randy Myers to keep Toronto from dealing the left-handed closer to Atlanta.

 

At the time, the Padres and Braves were leading their respective divisions, meaning the Padres only wanted to deny Atlanta an extra weapon for their guaranteed playoff meeting. They didn't want Myers -- but they got him, and picked up a bill of $14 million for the total of 14 1/3 innings he pitched for the Padres after Toronto didn't withdraw his name.

 

This year, with so many teams so close in the standings and seemingly in the hunt for playoff berths at the July 31 deadline, it's possible that some of the real blockbusters could happen in August.

 

This is very helpful - thanks! Also, there are 2 kinds of waivers, right? Revocable (the ability to pull the player back) and Irrevocable (player automatically gone if claimed with no ability to pull back). Is that correct?

That 2nd category, irrevocable - isn't that what Boston did to Manny Ramirez a year or two ago, and nobody claimed him?

[roadster]

Perhaps this can be made into a sticky thread, so there aren't several threads asking how waiver claims work. This info is from here on MLB.com:

 

Waiver Rundown

After the July 31 deadline, any player on a 40-man roster must clear Major League waivers before being traded. That is, the player must be offered to the other teams in reverse order of the standings, and if he is claimed by one of the teams he cannot be traded. The club that made the waiver request can either withdraw the request and keep the player or let the player go to the claiming team, which would then have the rights to the player and be obligated to that player's current contract.

 

A waiver, which is a permission granted for certain assignments of player contracts, can get complicated if more than one team makes a waiver claim. If more than one club in the same league makes a claim, then the club currently lower in the standings gets the player. If clubs in both leagues claim the player, preference goes to the club in the same league as the club requesting waivers.

 

If none of that makes sense, think of it this way.

 

Throughout the season, players ranging from superstar to end-of-the-bench, barely-in-the-bigs status routinely and often quietly go on waiver lists. This is a routine manner in which teams can figure out how much interest certain players are gathering from other teams and try to get trade talks going.

 

The same withdrawal guidelines are in effect now, with one big difference in the sequence: Teams waive players with the explicit intent of shedding them and their contracts. In other words, if Team A puts in a claim just to prevent Team B from making a deal, Team A might find itself with an unwanted drain on its payroll.

 

The best example of this came in 1998 with the San Diego Padres, who put in a claim for lefty closer Randy Myers to keep Toronto from dealing the left-handed closer to Atlanta.

 

At the time, the Padres and Braves were leading their respective divisions, meaning the Padres only wanted to deny Atlanta an extra weapon for their guaranteed playoff meeting. They didn't want Myers -- but they got him, and picked up a bill of $14 million for the total of 14 1/3 innings he pitched for the Padres after Toronto didn't withdraw his name.

 

This year, with so many teams so close in the standings and seemingly in the hunt for playoff berths at the July 31 deadline, it's possible that some of the real blockbusters could happen in August.

 

This is very helpful - thanks! Also, there are 2 kinds of waivers, right? Revocable (the ability to pull the player back) and Irrevocable (player automatically gone if claimed with no ability to pull back). Is that correct?

That 2nd category, irrevocable - isn't that what Boston did to Manny Ramirez a year or two ago, and nobody claimed him?

 

I thought I heard Steve Stone mentioned last week that all the waivers have occurred (one was done on Wednesday and one on Thursday) - the 48th hour window will close Friday and today. I don't know where to find players that have been placed on waivers, claimed, not claimed, pulled back, etc.

[Electron Blue]

Perhaps this can be made into a sticky thread, so there aren't several threads asking how waiver claims work. This info is from here on MLB.com:

 

Waiver Rundown

After the July 31 deadline, any player on a 40-man roster must clear Major League waivers before being traded. That is, the player must be offered to the other teams in reverse order of the standings, and if he is claimed by one of the teams he cannot be traded. The club that made the waiver request can either withdraw the request and keep the player or let the player go to the claiming team, which would then have the rights to the player and be obligated to that player's current contract.

 

A waiver, which is a permission granted for certain assignments of player contracts, can get complicated if more than one team makes a waiver claim. If more than one club in the same league makes a claim, then the club currently lower in the standings gets the player. If clubs in both leagues claim the player, preference goes to the club in the same league as the club requesting waivers.

 

If none of that makes sense, think of it this way.

 

Throughout the season, players ranging from superstar to end-of-the-bench, barely-in-the-bigs status routinely and often quietly go on waiver lists. This is a routine manner in which teams can figure out how much interest certain players are gathering from other teams and try to get trade talks going.

 

The same withdrawal guidelines are in effect now, with one big difference in the sequence: Teams waive players with the explicit intent of shedding them and their contracts. In other words, if Team A puts in a claim just to prevent Team B from making a deal, Team A might find itself with an unwanted drain on its payroll.

 

The best example of this came in 1998 with the San Diego Padres, who put in a claim for lefty closer Randy Myers to keep Toronto from dealing the left-handed closer to Atlanta.

 

At the time, the Padres and Braves were leading their respective divisions, meaning the Padres only wanted to deny Atlanta an extra weapon for their guaranteed playoff meeting. They didn't want Myers -- but they got him, and picked up a bill of $14 million for the total of 14 1/3 innings he pitched for the Padres after Toronto didn't withdraw his name.

 

This year, with so many teams so close in the standings and seemingly in the hunt for playoff berths at the July 31 deadline, it's possible that some of the real blockbusters could happen in August.

 

This is very helpful - thanks! Also, there are 2 kinds of waivers, right? Revocable (the ability to pull the player back) and Irrevocable (player automatically gone if claimed with no ability to pull back). Is that correct?

That 2nd category, irrevocable - isn't that what Boston did to Manny Ramirez a year or two ago, and nobody claimed him?

 

I thought I heard Steve Stone mentioned last week that all the waivers have occurred (one was done on Wednesday and one on Thursday) - the 48th hour window will close Friday and today. I don't know where to find players that have been placed on waivers, claimed, not claimed, pulled back, etc.

 

First of all, I'm nearly certain that waiver transactions aren't announced to the public unless they're claimed by another player (or they clear and are sent to the minors).

 

Second of all, if I understand what you're saying I think you may be incorrect. Players can be placed on waivers at any time of the year - there isn't a "waiver period" where that has to happen.

[CubsHawks25]

While I was watching the recording of the BBTN 2-hour "Deadline Special" yesterday evening, I believe I heard Steve Phillips explain something about all teams would start placing 7 guys at a time on the waiver wire, until they run through them all. And this would start today through whenever.

[moorecg]

I wonder if the "Who made it through waivers?" is a question our good friend Mr. Miles might have an inside track on??

[CubsHawks25]

I wonder if the "Who made it through waivers?" is a question our good friend Mr. Miles might have an inside track on??

 

I don't suppose there's any websites out there that us casual fans can keep track of that sort of thing, eh? Just unless someone is claimed and kept? Or goes through unclaimed and then traded?

[CubsHawks25]

Another question;

 

Do ALL players have to go through waivers at some point?

 

I ask because we as Cubs fans see DLee, Aramis, Prior, and Z as being "untradeables". I know that players can be pulled back and what not if claimed, but why risk it at all if they don't have to?

[nilodnayr]

a team has the option to place players on waivers, so no our superstars wont have to be put on them if we dont want to. And no, there is no way for anyone to know who goes on waivers unless it is leaked or the player is traded. 98% of players put on waivers we have no clue about.

 

The one point not made is that only guys on your 40 man have to be put on waivers so minor leaguers not on the 40 man can be traded at will without having to worry about waivers.

 

If Griffey were to be claimed by the yanks the reds could say that they will revoke him if they cant work out a deal with the yanks. so in reality the reds most likely will not lose griffey for nothing should the yanks claim him and want him.

[WindyCity]

I know that players can be pulled back and what not if claimed, but why risk it at all if they don't have to?

 

Teams put everyone on waivers so it is less obvious who they are trying to move.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I know that players can be pulled back and what not if claimed, but why risk it at all if they don't have to?

 

Teams put everyone on waivers so it is less obvious who they are trying to move.

 

It's also a way to gauge who has interest in certain players, even if you don't plan on moving them at the time.

[Derwood]

I know that players can be pulled back and what not if claimed, but why risk it at all if they don't have to?

 

Teams put everyone on waivers so it is less obvious who they are trying to move.

 

You stole my thunder! Yes, teams mask who they are actually trying to clear through waivers by grouping them with players that they clearly aren't trying to trade.

 

As for the Griffey thing, I think you're more likely to make a trade of vets for vets at this point than vets for prospects. Something along the line of the trade the Cubs made back in 1997 (I think) when they acquired Mark Clark and Lance Johnson in mid-August.

[GaborBako]

Players who are 10-5 guys or who have negotiated no-trades do not have to accept a waiver assignment. You can waive them, a team can claim them, you can decide you don't want to pull them back, but if the player (for example Junior) doesn't want to play for the team who claimed him, he can refuse and stay in Cincinnati, and he cannot be put on waivers again during this season.

 

Players without 10-5 rights or no-trades have no choice if a claim is put on them and their current team doesn't reclaim them from the waiver wire.