Corey Speaks!

[noisesquared]

My big issue is with when fans boo. I don't care if Cory or Neifi or whomever is 0-4 w/ 4 k's, when they come to the plate the 5th time, you cheer. Anytime any Cub comes to the plate, you cheer and offer some support. However if said Cub K's for the 5th time, feel free to boo til your heart's content. I don't agree with booing a player when he's trying to perform, but I have no qualms w/ anyone who boos a player after he fails to perform.

[Chocolate Milk]

The fans want a World Series, I don't blame them for booing.

 

Also, if I'm making millions of dollars, I will make sure to form a line where people can come and boo me while I'm working if they feel I'm not performing up to task.

 

I'm not saying it helps a player, but IMO its usually justified.

 

What does the amount of money one makes have to do with it? If a sales manager sucks, does an intern(s) have a right to boo him?

 

 

Is the intern under contract? Is corey boo-ing his boss? Are they doing sales in front of 20k drunk people who hope that they make the sale and have been hoping for years?

 

I understand what you are trying to say, but this is a ridiculous example. The money comes from the fans and goes to the players. That's why people get upset about people playing poorly and making a lot of money (To the common man). Booing is an emotional response. I don't think anyone boo's to "improve the player."

Edited July 13, 2005 by Chocolate Milk

[Bergy92]

He's saying some of the right things, but this quote (re his swing) scares me:

 

“It got kind of whack,” he said. “It got pretty long. That’s really the only thing. I think if I do that, it will take care of other areas in which I’m having problems.”

 

I hope he's also working on pitch selection. A short swing at eye-level fastballs and low and outside sinkers isn't going to make him better. His shorter swing may allow him to hit those pitches, but he won't hit them w/ much authority.

 

I also got the feeling he wasn't working on pitch selection at this point. Hopefully, they will address that once his swing is corrected.

 

I could be way off, but don't they go hand in hand. His swing is so long and not quick. Therefore, in order to hit a ball going 90+ MPH he needs to make a decision sooner on the pitch - which usually ends up in him swinging at poor selections.

 

But if he had a shorter, quicker swing, he might more time to look at the pitch (although we are talking fractions of seconds here). I think that it would naturally help his pitch selection, but who am I. Certainly not a hitting coach...

[dalgreen]

The fans want a World Series, I don't blame them for booing.

 

Also, if I'm making millions of dollars, I will make sure to form a line where people can come and boo me while I'm working if they feel I'm not performing up to task.

 

I'm not saying it helps a player, but IMO its usually justified.

 

What does the amount of money one makes have to do with it? If a sales manager sucks, does an intern(s) have a right to boo him?

 

 

Is the intern under contract? Is corey boo-ing his boss? Are they doing sales in front of 20k drunk people who hope that they make the sale and have been hoping for years?

 

I understand what you are trying to say, but this is a ridiculous example.

 

If you understand what I'm saying, then it is not a ridiculous example. I stated an intern because it could be an intern from a whole different department. The whole point is the fans pay money to see a game. You boo if your seat comes loose, you boo if the lights don't work for a night game, you boo if some idiot runs on the field, but paying money and wanting to see a champion doesn't mean it's okay to boo a player. What sense does it make to boo your player and not boo the opposing player(s) who may be dominating your team?

[Bull]

The fans want a World Series, I don't blame them for booing.

 

Also, if I'm making millions of dollars, I will make sure to form a line where people can come and boo me while I'm working if they feel I'm not performing up to task.

 

I'm not saying it helps a player, but IMO its usually justified.

 

What does the amount of money one makes have to do with it? If a sales manager sucks, does an intern(s) have a right to boo him?

 

 

Is the intern under contract? Is corey boo-ing his boss? Are they doing sales in front of 20k drunk people who hope that they make the sale and have been hoping for years?

 

I understand what you are trying to say, but this is a ridiculous example.

 

If you understand what I'm saying, then it is not a ridiculous example. I stated an intern because it could be an intern from a whole different department. The whole point is the fans pay money to see a game. You boo if your seat comes loose, you boo if the lights don't work for a night game, you boo if some idiot runs on the field, but paying money and wanting to see a champion doesn't mean it's okay to boo a player. What sense does it make to boo your player and not boo the opposing player(s) who may be dominating your team?

 

My grandparents are stockholders of merck. They were booing in 2002.

[Chris]

The amount of money shouldn't be a factor. Just because someone makes more money than me that does not give me a right to boo them when they confirm that they are human and make a mistake.

 

Now granted, I am not saying that a person shouldn't be disappointed, but this pickinga scapegoat and booing seemingly hoping for them to fail is getting old.

[wade]

Booing is an emotional response. Just like yelling at a kid you are coaching, or a teammate when they screw up. Still doesn't help them get better very often. Some people do respond to that type of pressure by performing better, but the majority of people who are already putting a lot of pressure on themselves do not play better when booed or heckled or put down.

 

I'll never tell someone not to boo, but I don't like it when they boo players on a team that I want to win, because I don't think it helps a player at all and more often than not hinders their improvement, therby (even if only slightly) hurting my team's chances of winning.

 

Players like Derrick Lee have said booing doesn't help players get better. But hey, what does he know, he's just a mindless robot who makes way more money than me, so screw him if he strikes out. And it's not like he's a bad example. He was booed last year when he started slow in April.

 

I ride the fence on nearly every side of any arguement on this board. Tools vs. Stats, Dusty's bad vs. Dusty's good, etc. But this is one that I have a hard time understanding the other side.

 

Booing Kenny Rogers? Yeah, I see that. Booing a guy on a team that I want to win? I don't get it.

[Chocolate Milk]

Booing is an emotional response. Just like yelling at a kid you are coaching, or a teammate when they screw up. Still doesn't help them get better very often. Some people do respond to that type of pressure by performing better, but the majority of people who are already putting a lot of pressure on themselves do not play better when booed or heckled or put down.

 

I'll never tell someone not to boo, but I don't like it when they boo players on a team that I want to win, because I don't think it helps a player at all and more often than not hinders their improvement, therby (even if only slightly) hurting my team's chances of winning.

 

Players like Derrick Lee have said booing doesn't help players get better. But hey, what does he know, he's just a mindless robot who makes way more money than me, so screw him if he strikes out. And it's not like he's a bad example. He was booed last year when he started slow in April.

 

I ride the fence on nearly every side of any arguement on this board. Tools vs. Stats, Dusty's bad vs. Dusty's good, etc. But this is one that I have a hard time understanding the other side.

 

Booing Kenny Rogers? Yeah, I see that. Booing a guy on a team that I want to win? I don't get it.

 

I'd say I agree with this. Especially the bolded part. It's hard to think of these playes as people when most of the time, they are treated as commodities.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Yay Corey! Great attitude! Go get 'em at Iowa, tear up those pitchers....so we can get something more than a bucket of spit for you in trade later this month.

[Sparkle]

I don't know much about minor league pitching -- Will Corey see enough quality breaking pitches in AAA for him to improve? How much better/faster is major league pitching than AAA/Mesa?

[wade]

I don't know much about minor league pitching -- Will Corey see enough quality breaking pitches in AAA for him to improve? How much better/faster is major league pitching than AAA/Mesa?

 

I'm not real qualified to answer as per the minor league pitching talent, but it seems to me that it's not a matter of Patterson not having the ability to hit MLB level pitching because of their "stuff", but it's pitch recognition and a horrid slump that he's trying to remedy against minor league pitchers.

 

He's hit MLB level pitching for some extended periods, it's now a matter of swinging at the right ones, IMO.

[Wheelimus]

Yup, actions speak louder than words. Come back and have a second half of a .300 average and a .360 OBP, and nobody is going to boo you anymore.

[goonys evil twin]

I was yelling Boo-urns.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So what does booing your own player accomplish? And why is it that Corey gets booed but a player who has been just as bad, Neifi, avoids it?

[imb]

So what does booing your own player accomplish? And why is it that Corey gets booed but a player who has been just as bad, Neifi, avoids it?

 

A lot of people didn't already hate Neifi before this season?

[louisvillecub]

So what does booing your own player accomplish? And why is it that Corey gets booed but a player who has been just as bad, Neifi, avoids it?

 

Well, you see, you can "just tell" that Corey doesn't care that he's doing badly, and it "just seems" that Neifi is sad when he's not doing well. So, Corey deserves to be booed.

[Scott G. F.]

He's saying some of the right things, but this quote (re his swing) scares me:

 

“It got kind of whack,” he said. “It got pretty long. That’s really the only thing. I think if I do that, it will take care of other areas in which I’m having problems.”

 

I hope he's also working on pitch selection. A short swing at eye-level fastballs and low and outside sinkers isn't going to make him better. His shorter swing may allow him to hit those pitches, but he won't hit them w/ much authority.

 

I also got the feeling he wasn't working on pitch selection at this point. Hopefully, they will address that once his swing is corrected.

 

I could be way off, but don't they go hand in hand. His swing is so long and not quick. Therefore, in order to hit a ball going 90+ MPH he needs to make a decision sooner on the pitch - which usually ends up in him swinging at poor selections.

 

But if he had a shorter, quicker swing, he might more time to look at the pitch (although we are talking fractions of seconds here). I think that it would naturally help his pitch selection, but who am I. Certainly not a hitting coach...

 

Yes, they go hand and hand. You get Cory looking to have a shorter bat stroke and not thinking about the pitch which might be a good thing. It's a perfect coaching ploy to get Cory believeing his stroke is to long and to shorten up. By default he will view the pitch selection better.

 

The opposite way is to teach him to pick better pitches which would be very difficult.

 

I like the mentallity of the approach to fix CP. It's so silly it might work.

[Chris]

Yup, actions speak louder than words. Come back and have a second half of a .300 average and a .360 OBP, and nobody is going to boo you anymore.

 

Not necessarily. If a guy is hitting .300 in the second half and in a game bats 4 times, K's every AB and leaves 10 stranded then said player will get booed.

 

But I gues that wouldn't be an action if a player did that bad :wink: