Dunn to Dodgers?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Speculation in today's LA Times that Adam Dunn could be headed to LA.

 

Call it power-hitter envy. Manager Jim Tracy leaned back in his chair and marveled at a highlight he had watched on TV the night before.

 

"Adam Dunn's grand slam, wow," he said. "He took that two-seamer on the outside third and crushed it to left-center."

 

 

Dunn, a Cincinnati Red outfielder-first baseman, has 23 home runs. He hit 46 last season. The Dodgers' eight position players that finished Sunday's game had a total of 22 homers.

 

Rumors are rampant that Dunn could be headed for L.A. if the Dodgers remain convinced they can make a run at the National League West title.

 

I hope that if Dunn is available that Hendry will make a run for him.

 

I don't know that we don't have more to offer than the Dodgers. I guess the Dodgers could create a package that includes Edwin Jackson, Andy LaRoche or Joel Guzman. Dioner Navarro might interest the Reds as well.

[JC]

Speculation in today's LA Times that Adam Dunn could be headed to LA.

 

Call it power-hitter envy. Manager Jim Tracy leaned back in his chair and marveled at a highlight he had watched on TV the night before.

 

"Adam Dunn's grand slam, wow," he said. "He took that two-seamer on the outside third and crushed it to left-center."

 

 

Dunn, a Cincinnati Red outfielder-first baseman, has 23 home runs. He hit 46 last season. The Dodgers' eight position players that finished Sunday's game had a total of 22 homers.

 

Rumors are rampant that Dunn could be headed for L.A. if the Dodgers remain convinced they can make a run at the National League West title.

 

I hope that if Dunn is available that Hendry will make a run for him.

 

I don't know that we don't have more to offer than the Dodgers. I guess the Dodgers could create a package that includes Edwin Jackson, Andy LaRoche or Joel Guzman. Dioner Navarro might interest the Reds as well.

 

Additionally, I hope that Hendry realizes that the FA market is extraordinarily thin this year. While the Cubs may not have a realistic shot of the playoffs, it doesn't mean they shouldn't start making themselves better for next year. If that means grabbing a guy like Dunn should the opportunity present itself, then thats what has to happen.

 

Like it or not, the OF is still in shambles, particularly when you look at 2006. Burnitz runs way too hot and cold for my taste. Plus, I don't think he is worth his option. I might consider him at a reduced rate, but that still isn't making the club better.

 

IMO, it is incumbent that the Cubs realize the shortcomings of this team now and start addressing them. Otherwise, selling Z for a bat and chasing Burnett (as someone had mentioned) may be the only way to make a significant offseason move.

[shnsajax]

I am begining to think the Kotsay signing is going to spark a lot of movement in the OF department this midseason. Hopefully we will see the Preston Wilson to the Nationals move very soon. I don't see the Reds moving Dunn or Kearns quickly as we could see 5 teams involoved to get one of those guys, but desperation could begining to sink in once another deal goes down.

 

I am still looking at Huff as a potential quick deal that no one really reports coming.

[Wendy City]

I agree - the dominoes are beginning to fall. Kotsay is off the market, who's next? Preston Wilson?

[Roast]

God, I hope we can get to Dunn. If he really is on the market, Hendry better do EVERYTHING in his power to get him.

[shnsajax]

God, I hope we can get to Dunn. If he really is on the market, Hendry better do EVERYTHING in his power to get him.

 

He is on the market, but I think the Reds are still more likely to trade Kearns over Dunn. The Reds have a lot of leverage right now with these two guys and several teams looking at them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What about Patterson, Rich Hill, Dopirak, and Leicester for Dunn?

[JeffH]

Done.

[AAApittsburgh]

Dunn to the Dodgers wouldn't surprise me at all. Dodgers have the pitching that the Reds would want and I'm sure Depodesta loves Dunn.

[Roast]

What about Patterson, Rich Hill, Dopirak, and Leicester for Dunn?

Do you really think it'd take that much? I have no problem trading dope, with the emergance of Lee. But i'd think one of Patterson/leicester might be able to be pulled from that deal. I'm sure they'd want hill, with their pitching woes and all.

 

That being said, I'd probably do that deal.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What about Patterson, Rich Hill, Dopirak, and Leicester for Dunn?

Do you really think it'd take that much? I have no problem trading dope, with the emergance of Lee. But i'd think one of Patterson/leicester might be able to be pulled from that deal. I'm sure they'd want hill, with their pitching woes and all.

 

That being said, I'd probably do that deal.

 

Yes, I do. In fact, I'm worried that might not be enough. We don't have the "quality" in prospects to trade. Because of that, we have to overwhelm with quantity.

 

The Dodgers could send Edwin Jackson (viewed as better than Hill) and Joel Guzman ( a blue-chip OF prospect - likely viewed by most scouts as better than Pie) for Dunn.

 

We won't send Pie, so we offer Patterson. Patterson helps because he has ML experience, but he also could get expensive for the Reds. Hill gives them a pitcher, but his ceiling isn't high enough alone. Dopirak gives them the high risk prospect, but he also carries some clout to help make the deal more palatable to them. Leicester is the last piece. He's not great, but he is a major league ready arm for the pen.

 

As I said, I'm not sure that would be enough for Dunn since they don't have to trade him now. We might have to upgrade some of those like Welly instead of Leicester or add another player that could interest them. Getting the Reds to part with Dunn will not be an easy proposition.

[Backtobanks]

I'd love to have Dunn, but some of the deals mentioned make him sound like the second coming of Babe Ruth. With all of those fancy numbers that everyone loves to throw around, he is still a .240 hitter with a ton of strikeouts.

[Roast]

I'd love to have Dunn, but some of the deals mentioned make him sound like the second coming of Babe Ruth. With all of those fancy numbers that everyone loves to throw around, he is still a .240 hitter with a ton of strikeouts.

 

.382 .517 .247

 

Thats his career line (obp/slg/avg)

 

I'll take the .247 if it means i can get the .382.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd love to have Dunn, but some of the deals mentioned make him sound like the second coming of Babe Ruth. With all of those fancy numbers that everyone loves to throw around, he is still a .240 hitter with a ton of strikeouts.

 

Thos fancy numbers again are a 384 OBP, a 550 SLG, and a 935 OPS. He's 25 (Think same age as Patterson) and has a career 899 OPS.

 

I'd gladly give up the deal I proposed. None of those players are essiential to the Cubs future. Patterson is done here. Hill is the best of the lot, but we have a wealth of pitchers coming up the pipe. Now would be the time to sell on Dopirak and if we lock Lee up past his current deal, Dope has no place to play. I don't think Leicester has a future with the team either.

 

I wouldn't trade Pie, but I'd trade a lot to get Dunn. He's a player that when surrounded by talent can definitely make a difference.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In the Cincinnati Post, Dan Obrien comments on trading for one of the three outfielders: Pena, Dunn, or Kearns.

 

O'Brien's real dilemma is deciding whether or not to move one of his three young outfielders, Adam Dunn, Wily Mo Pena or Austin Kearns.

 

He steadfastly resisted overtures to do so last offseason, saying he felt the outfield corps was a position of strength for the Reds. Even now, with all three of those players' names circulating like mad in the rumor mill, O'Brien insisted he doesn't feel like he has to trade one of them to capitalize on supply and demand-driven value.

 

"Simply stated, no," said O'Brien. "We don't feel compelled to do that."

 

But would he do it, given the right offer?

 

"It would have to be huge," he said.

 

 

So, yes to get Dunn you're going to pay and pay a lot. The Reds control Dunn for two more seasons after this one. They could, if they wanted to, afford him for next season. 2007 might be out of their price range. That being said, the Reds have until the offseason following the 2006 season before trading Dunn becomes urgent. If preceeding that time, they can unload Griffey's contract or bring in some young cheap talent elsewhere, they may be able to afford Dunn in the 2007 season as well. My guess is he will be traded sometime before the 2006 trading deadline, with a deal most likely this offseason. There's also still a decent chance he isn't traded until the offseason preceeding the 2007 season.

 

To get a deal done right now for Dunn is going to be costly.

[dalgreen]

I'd love to have Dunn, but some of the deals mentioned make him sound like the second coming of Babe Ruth. With all of those fancy numbers that everyone loves to throw around, he is still a .240 hitter with a ton of strikeouts.

 

Thos fancy numbers again are a 384 OBP, a 550 SLG, and a 935 OPS. He's 25 (Think same age as Patterson) and has a career 899 OPS.

 

I'd gladly give up the deal I proposed. None of those players are essiential to the Cubs future. Patterson is done here. Hill is the best of the lot, but we have a wealth of pitchers coming up the pipe. Now would be the time to sell on Dopirak and if we lock Lee up past his current deal, Dope has no place to play. I don't think Leicester has a future with the team either.

 

I wouldn't trade Pie, but I'd trade a lot to get Dunn. He's a player that when surrounded by talent can definitely make a difference.

 

I still don't think the Reds would be smart to trade Dunn. They should be building their team around him and shop Casey. Dunn is really the only reason why people would go to the GAB to see the Reds. The thing with Dunn that I don't like is his OBP is more representative of not having guys hitting behind him meaning intentional walks vs. having a good eye. But, again, if I'm the Reds you'd have to give me one of the best deals in the history of deals for me to trade Dunn.

[YearofDaCubs]

Speculation in today's LA Times that Adam Dunn could be headed to LA.

 

Call it power-hitter envy. Manager Jim Tracy leaned back in his chair and marveled at a highlight he had watched on TV the night before.

 

"Adam Dunn's grand slam, wow," he said. "He took that two-seamer on the outside third and crushed it to left-center."

 

 

Dunn, a Cincinnati Red outfielder-first baseman, has 23 home runs. He hit 46 last season. The Dodgers' eight position players that finished Sunday's game had a total of 22 homers.

 

Rumors are rampant that Dunn could be headed for L.A. if the Dodgers remain convinced they can make a run at the National League West title.

 

I hope that if Dunn is available that Hendry will make a run for him.

 

I don't know that we don't have more to offer than the Dodgers. I guess the Dodgers could create a package that includes Edwin Jackson, Andy LaRoche or Joel Guzman. Dioner Navarro might interest the Reds as well.

 

Additionally, I hope that Hendry realizes that the FA market is extraordinarily thin this year. While the Cubs may not have a realistic shot of the playoffs, it doesn't mean they shouldn't start making themselves better for next year. If that means grabbing a guy like Dunn should the opportunity present itself, then thats what has to happen.

 

Like it or not, the OF is still in shambles, particularly when you look at 2006. Burnitz runs way too hot and cold for my taste. Plus, I don't think he is worth his option. I might consider him at a reduced rate, but that still isn't making the club better.

 

IMO, it is incumbent that the Cubs realize the shortcomings of this team now and start addressing them. Otherwise, selling Z for a bat and chasing Burnett (as someone had mentioned) may be the only way to make a significant offseason move.

I agree. We should trade for our OF of the future. The free agent crop this year isn't great at all.

[rocket]

The thing with Dunn that I don't like is his OBP is more representative of not having guys hitting behind him meaning intentional walks vs. having a good eye.

 

If you're going to say that, then you should also mention that if Dunn had say, hypothetically, Aramis Ramirez protecting him, that Dunn would see better pitches to hit...meaning his AVG and SLG would likely increase.

[woodprior04]

I wouldn't trade Pie, but I'd trade a lot to get Dunn. He's a player that when surrounded by talent can definitely make a difference.

 

Why not? Dunn is better right now than Pie will ever be. If Dunn was 5 years older I would agree with you, but he is only 25 and has plenty of great seasons ahead of him. I highly doubt the Reds would deal their best player without getting the Cubs best prospect. An opportunity to get a player like Dunn doesn't happen very often, so if Cinci needs Pie to deal Dunn, I think we should give him to them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I wouldn't trade Pie, but I'd trade a lot to get Dunn. He's a player that when surrounded by talent can definitely make a difference.

 

Why not? Dunn is better right now than Pie will ever be. If Dunn was 5 years older I would agree with you, but he is only 25 and has plenty of great seasons ahead of him. I highly doubt the Reds would deal their best player without getting the Cubs best prospect. An opportunity to get a player like Dunn doesn't happen very often, so if Cinci needs Pie to deal Dunn, I think we should give him to them.

 

Partly because I don't think Pie becomes a deal breaker. I expect the Reds to counter with Pie, but I think by offering Patterson and better pitchers the deal still gets Dunn. The Reds need pitching and lots of it. One advantage the Cubs could have in trading for Dunn is to offer 2-3 pitching prospects. I also think swapping Patterson for Pie but then offering Dopirak is a better deal for the Reds. If the Cubs put Pie in the deal, then Patterson is out of it and so is Dopirak.

[ThePenguin11]

According to Chris Boden on ESPN 1000 sportscenter, the Cubs offered the best package to the A's for Kotsay, but he obviously re-signed. This gives me a renewed faith that Hendry is willing to go out and spend what it takes to get a real player for the outfield.

 

Is Dunn a possibility? Yes.

 

Are they going to counter by offering Kearns first? Yes.

 

Then we'll offer Patterson, and they'll say no.

 

They'll say we want Pie, then we say no.

 

We'll say we can package a group of prospects and name a few for them to chose from.

 

Then they'll talk cash. (All small market teams do.)

 

What I'm getting at is that if Dunn is to be dealt, the process will be long. As mentioned before, a number of teams will be interested. Since we're interdivision rivals we'll have to overpay. That won't be a problem if they can get over the fact that Felix Pie won't be going in any deal.

[YearofDaCubs]

According to Chris Boden on ESPN 1000 sportscenter, the Cubs offered the best package to the A's for Kotsay, but he obviously re-signed. This gives me a renewed faith that Hendry is willing to go out and spend what it takes to get a real player for the outfield.

 

Is Dunn a possibility? Yes.

 

Are they going to counter by offering Kearns first? Yes.

 

Then we'll offer Patterson, and they'll say no.

 

They'll say we want Pie, then we say no.

 

We'll say we can package a group of prospects and name a few for them to chose from.

 

Then they'll talk cash. (All small market teams do.)

 

What I'm getting at is that if Dunn is to be dealt, the process will be long. As mentioned before, a number of teams will be interested. Since we're interdivision rivals we'll have to overpay. That won't be a problem if they can get over the fact that Felix Pie won't be going in any deal.

I would trade Pie for Dunn.

[woodprior04]

I wouldn't trade Pie, but I'd trade a lot to get Dunn. He's a player that when surrounded by talent can definitely make a difference.

 

Why not? Dunn is better right now than Pie will ever be. If Dunn was 5 years older I would agree with you, but he is only 25 and has plenty of great seasons ahead of him. I highly doubt the Reds would deal their best player without getting the Cubs best prospect. An opportunity to get a player like Dunn doesn't happen very often, so if Cinci needs Pie to deal Dunn, I think we should give him to them.

 

Partly because I don't think Pie becomes a deal breaker. I expect the Reds to counter with Pie, but I think by offering Patterson and better pitchers the deal still gets Dunn. The Reds need pitching and lots of it. One advantage the Cubs could have in trading for Dunn is to offer 2-3 pitching prospects. I also think swapping Patterson for Pie but then offering Dopirak is a better deal for the Reds. If the Cubs put Pie in the deal, then Patterson is out of it and so is Dopirak.

 

Fair enough. I wouldn't be surprised if Cinci wants both Pie AND Dopirak and then someone like Hill though.

[rocket]

According to Chris Boden on ESPN 1000 sportscenter, the Cubs offered the best package to the A's for Kotsay, but he obviously re-signed. This gives me a renewed faith that Hendry is willing to go out and spend what it takes to get a real player for the outfield.

 

Is Dunn a possibility? Yes.

 

Are they going to counter by offering Kearns first? Yes.

 

Then we'll offer Patterson, and they'll say no.

 

They'll say we want Pie, then we say no.

 

We'll say we can package a group of prospects and name a few for them to chose from.

 

Then they'll talk cash. (All small market teams do.)

 

What I'm getting at is that if Dunn is to be dealt, the process will be long. As mentioned before, a number of teams will be interested. Since we're interdivision rivals we'll have to overpay. That won't be a problem if they can get over the fact that Felix Pie won't be going in any deal.

 

The problem is that the Reds have more incentive to deal to the Dodgers than to us.

 

The Dodgers have more sure-fire pitching prospects to offer.

The Dodgers are not in their division.

The Dodgers (seemingly, since they're in a large market) have just as much cash to play with as the Cubs.

 

And the kicker is that Dunn is a prototypical Depodesta player.

[ThePenguin11]

According to Chris Boden on ESPN 1000 sportscenter, the Cubs offered the best package to the A's for Kotsay, but he obviously re-signed. This gives me a renewed faith that Hendry is willing to go out and spend what it takes to get a real player for the outfield.

 

Is Dunn a possibility? Yes.

 

Are they going to counter by offering Kearns first? Yes.

 

Then we'll offer Patterson, and they'll say no.

 

They'll say we want Pie, then we say no.

 

We'll say we can package a group of prospects and name a few for them to chose from.

 

Then they'll talk cash. (All small market teams do.)

 

What I'm getting at is that if Dunn is to be dealt, the process will be long. As mentioned before, a number of teams will be interested. Since we're interdivision rivals we'll have to overpay. That won't be a problem if they can get over the fact that Felix Pie won't be going in any deal.

I would trade Pie for Dunn.

 

I was thinking that too. But for fear of persecution, I omitted that thought.