Rotoworld love for Murton

[brinoch]

I didn't see this anywhere else, but Rotoworld paid Matt a high compliment.

 

Matt Murton - Outfielder

 

Double-A West Tenn's Matt Murton went 4-for-4 with a home run, a double and four runs scored yesterday.

Murton slumped in June, but he's batting .344/.407/.500 with 17 steals in 22 tries for West Tenn. He's going to be an excellent backup for Todd Hollandsworth someday. Jul. 3 - 2:58 pm et

[Iceblink]

Groan - a backup for Hollandsworth. Must keep that .750 OPS in the lineup, prospects be damned!

 

More likely is that Murton will backup Macias who'll backup Dubois who'll back up Hollandsworth. (And, probably, the additional two or three old guys we'll acquire by then.)

[Scotti]

 

...He's going to be an excellent backup for Todd Hollandsworth someday.

 

Not sure why a stat outfit like Rotoworld would dig on anyone for starting Todd Hollandsworth when his OPS for June/July has been .918/1.204.

[goonys evil twin]

 

...He's going to be an excellent backup for Todd Hollandsworth someday.

 

Not sure why a stat outfit like Rotoworld would dig on anyone for starting Todd Hollandsworth when his OPS for June/July has been .918/1.204.

 

They're probably a little more intersted in his full season (.278/.329/.428) and career (.279/.336/.446) numbers that indicate he's got no business starting as a corner OF on a big budget ballclub.

[Scotti]

 

...He's going to be an excellent backup for Todd Hollandsworth someday.

 

Not sure why a stat outfit like Rotoworld would dig on anyone for starting Todd Hollandsworth when his OPS for June/July has been .918/1.204.

 

They're probably a little more intersted in his full season (.278/.329/.428) and career (.279/.336/.446) numbers that indicate he's got no business starting as a corner OF on a big budget ballclub.

 

Good thing they play the game on the field and not on paper!

[goonys evil twin]

 

...He's going to be an excellent backup for Todd Hollandsworth someday.

 

Not sure why a stat outfit like Rotoworld would dig on anyone for starting Todd Hollandsworth when his OPS for June/July has been .918/1.204.

 

They're probably a little more intersted in his full season (.278/.329/.428) and career (.279/.336/.446) numbers that indicate he's got no business starting as a corner OF on a big budget ballclub.

 

Good thing they play the game on the field and not on paper!

 

What's this mean? Hollandsworth is an awful candidate for starting in a corner OF spot. They're beyond justified in poking fun at that fact. Whether it's on paper or the field, the Cubs lack of production in the OF is killing them, and Hollandsworth has played a major role.

[cheapseats]

Good thing they play the game on the field and not on paper!

 

What do you mean? Do you think the Holly we saw in June is the real Todd Hollandsworth? His numbers this season are almost exactly what they have been over his career. Yes, Holly was very good in June - just good enough to offset his horrible, horrible May.

 

Another example: Neifi Perez. In April, we might have been saying, "It's a good thing they play the game on the field...," but since April, Neifi has been horrible, and now his season numbers almost perfectly match his career numbers.

 

Your comment would certainly apply to Derrek Lee, though. I don't think anyone predicted such numbers for DLee before the season. He probably won't duplicate those numbers over the next 81 games, so there will be some regression to the mean, but Lee on the field has been better than (pre-season) Lee on paper.

[Outshined_One]

Rotoworld has shown that it can be quite sarcastic in the past.

 

Something tells me this is their way of taking a jab as Dusty.

[CUBZ99]

That comment was sad but true. Would be nice to see the Cubs give one of thier younger players a chance to actually play.

[Chris]

Thanks for the link on the read!

[Scotti]

Good thing they play the game on the field and not on paper!

 

What do you mean? Do you think the Holly we saw in June is the real Todd Hollandsworth? His numbers this season are almost exactly what they have been over his career. Yes, Holly was very good in June - just good enough to offset his horrible, horrible May.

 

Another example: Neifi Perez. In April, we might have been saying, "It's a good thing they play the game on the field...," but since April, Neifi has been horrible, and now his season numbers almost perfectly match his career numbers.

 

Your comment would certainly apply to Derrek Lee, though. I don't think anyone predicted such numbers for DLee before the season. He probably won't duplicate those numbers over the next 81 games, so there will be some regression to the mean, but Lee on the field has been better than (pre-season) Lee on paper.

 

What do I mean? I mean it's a good thing these games are played on the field and not on paper. Play them out on paper and very few guys get a chance to play (except for those who don’t have a mean to regress to).

 

His numbers this season are almost exactly what they have been over his career.

 

Why now? They weren't 30 days ago and they probably won't be 30 days from now. Neither were they last year. The "regression to the mean theories" don't play out on the field as well as they do on paper. On paper if they aren’t close then, well, we’ll see some regressing or progressing. On the filed we have to find out why they are doing what they are doing.

 

Take Lee. People armed with pencil and paper have been telling us that he would regress to the mean for months now. Articles have been written about it. Yet he has stubbornly refused to regress.

 

Further, when is this regression supposed to take place? Today? Tomorrow? Next month? We were told it would happen LAST month and the month before.

 

Back to Hollandsworth. Some like to use “statistical mean” as a predictive measure and that is fine provided one realizes as a tool it has very, very severe limitations. Some believe that it goes beyond prediction and ventures into prophecy (.270 Billy Bob won’t hit .300—Thus sayeth the statistical mean). It just doesn’t work that way.

 

All things being equal player X is likely to Y but, when a player is on a month (or two or three) long hot/cold streak, all things are not equal. Something is causing the streak (and it ain’t the Big Bad Statistical Meannie). That “thing” may be age. It may be experience. It may be altering something in a swing or a delivery. It may be confidence. It may be a new park. It may be a combination of many things but there is at least one “thing” that is causing it.

 

It's a good thing these games are played on the field and not on paper—they are FAR more interesting this way!

[goonys evil twin]

It's a good thing these games are played on the field and not on paper—they are FAR more interesting this way!

 

I don't see how interesting it is to have less than deserving players playing everyday at positions they should not be playing everyday at. Field, computer, paper, or clay tablet, Hollandsworth just isn't worthy of a starting job, and the Cubs OF sucks.

[Scotti]

It sure doesn't suck because of anything Hollandsworth has done in the last 40 days.

[Scotti]

Rotoworld has shown that it can be quite sarcastic in the past.

 

Something tells me this is their way of taking a jab as Dusty.

 

I'm sure you're right but it just seems like there are better tartgets than someone who is as hot at Hollandsworth has been. I suspect they are unaware that he has been hot.

[goonys evil twin]

Rotoworld has shown that it can be quite sarcastic in the past.

 

Something tells me this is their way of taking a jab as Dusty.

 

I'm sure you're right but it just seems like there are better tartgets than someone who is as hot at Hollandsworth has been. I suspect they are unaware that he has been hot.

 

Hot streaks don't matter in the big picture. Who cares if he's been hot for a couple weeks? Overall he's been awful. Throughout his career he's been awful. Short-term blips do not mean much when talking about player value.

[Scotti]

Rotoworld has shown that it can be quite sarcastic in the past.

 

Something tells me this is their way of taking a jab as Dusty.

 

I'm sure you're right but it just seems like there are better tartgets than someone who is as hot at Hollandsworth has been. I suspect they are unaware that he has been hot.

 

Hot streaks don't matter in the big picture. Who cares if he's been hot for a couple weeks? Overall he's been awful. Throughout his career he's been awful. Short-term blips do not mean much when talking about player value.

 

Five-week streaks are even more meaningful in fantasy (Roto's genre) then they are in real life. The entire fantasy industry is based on streaks such as the one Hollandsworth is in right now.

[Jon]

Just wanted to remind everyone that this is the minor league forum and a thread on Murton. If you want to talk about Hollandsworth, please take it to the baseball discussion forum. Thanks.