How about this deal?

[Backtobanks]

Mitre and Dubois for Kevin Mench. Good, young, and cheap outfielder for many years. If other players are needed for "filler" in the trade, feel free to add them to the deal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Mitre and Dubois for Kevin Mench. Good, young, and cheap outfielder for many years. If other players are needed for "filler" in the trade, feel free to add them to the deal.

 

I think you need more than that to get Mench. He's been an all-star caliber player, and there's no motivation for Texas to move him.

[USSoccer]

Mitre and Dubois for Kevin Mench. Good, young, and cheap outfielder for many years. If other players are needed for "filler" in the trade, feel free to add them to the deal.

 

I think you need more than that to get Mench. He's been an all-star caliber player, and there's no motivation for Texas to move him.

 

If we offered them Williams or another arm in addition to that I'd bet they bite. Have you seen how Anaheim has been beating them down lately? They would use some pitching help.

 

Not that I want to trade Williams, 'cause I don't. But I'm just saying.

[AAApittsburgh]

His career road splits: .260/.311/.485/.795

[Diffusion]

06/28/04--06/28/05

Kevin Mench, .302/.376/.562 at home, .280/.336/.575 on the road

 

Hmmm.

[brinoch]

06/28/04--06/28/05

Kevin Mench, .302/.376/.562 at home, .280/.336/.575 on the road

 

Hmmm.

 

I'll take a +.900 OPS from my LF any day of the week. He'd immediately be the best offensive OF on the Cubs.

[Diffusion]

06/28/04--06/28/05

Kevin Mench, .302/.376/.562 at home, .280/.336/.575 on the road

 

Hmmm.

 

I'll take a +.900 OPS from my LF any day of the week. He'd immediately be the best offensive OF on the Cubs.

 

Well, I'm not necessarily saying he would have a +.900 OPS, just pointing out that over the past year, for whatever reason, he's put it all together. Maybe it'll all fall apart again soon. Maybe not.

[Wheelimus]

They need pitching in the worst way, i'd bet they'd want 2 pitchers in the deal.

[brinoch]

06/28/04--06/28/05

Kevin Mench, .302/.376/.562 at home, .280/.336/.575 on the road

 

Hmmm.

 

I'll take a +.900 OPS from my LF any day of the week. He'd immediately be the best offensive OF on the Cubs.

 

Well, I'm not necessarily saying he would have a +.900 OPS, just pointing out that over the past year, for whatever reason, he's put it all together. Maybe it'll all fall apart again soon. Maybe not.

 

Oh believe me, I agree. I was supporting your statement.

[Backtobanks]

They need pitching in the worst way, i'd bet they'd want 2 pitchers in the deal.

 

Well, let's tinker with the deal a little bit. Mitre, Dubois, & Welly for Mench & a prospect.

[Tom Servo]

He is not that good he only hit 3 HR's today. :shock:

 

.297 .362 .570 .933

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

They need pitching in the worst way, i'd bet they'd want 2 pitchers in the deal.

 

Well, let's tinker with the deal a little bit. Mitre, Dubois, & Welly for Mench & a prospect.

 

I've stated in numerous threads that the Rangers aren't interested in moving Mench unless they get a can't miss stud pitcher. Volume will not overwhelm them.

 

If we asked for Mench, they'd ask for Zambrano and the discussions end right there.

[Diffusion]

They need pitching in the worst way, i'd bet they'd want 2 pitchers in the deal.

 

Well, let's tinker with the deal a little bit. Mitre, Dubois, & Welly for Mench & a prospect.

 

I've stated in numerous threads that the Rangers aren't interested in moving Mench unless they get a can't miss stud pitcher. Volume will not overwhelm them.

 

If we asked for Mench, they'd ask for Zambrano and the discussions end right there.

 

The Rangers are quite obviously off their rockers then. As good as Mench is (and he's good enough for my fantasy team, 3 HR, woo!), he's not that good. He's also already 27.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

They need pitching in the worst way, i'd bet they'd want 2 pitchers in the deal.

 

Well, let's tinker with the deal a little bit. Mitre, Dubois, & Welly for Mench & a prospect.

 

I've stated in numerous threads that the Rangers aren't interested in moving Mench unless they get a can't miss stud pitcher. Volume will not overwhelm them.

 

If we asked for Mench, they'd ask for Zambrano and the discussions end right there.

 

The Rangers are quite obviously off their rockers then. As good as Mench is (and he's good enough for my fantasy team, 3 HR, woo!), he's not that good. He's also already 27.

 

I didn't say the Rangers expect to get Zambrano for Mench. But they would want a young starter that has seen success at the major league level if they were to trade Mench. (They have no intentions of trading him.) The Cubs just don't match up there. Mitre hasn't seen enough success. Williams will have to prove he's found it again. Those players don't have the ceiling that the Rangers would want.

 

Our farm hands aren't high enough ceiling or don't have enough experience. The Rangers would seek to look elsewhere.

 

The plan the Rangers have were to be contenders in 2006 with the young core of Mench, Nix, Tex, Young, and Blaylock. They prefer to keep all five of those. They will look to develop pitchers from their system or sign others or trade without giving up one of those five. To trade one of those five you're going to have to blow them away with quality not quanity.

[RynoRules]

They need pitching in the worst way, i'd bet they'd want 2 pitchers in the deal.

 

Well, let's tinker with the deal a little bit. Mitre, Dubois, & Welly for Mench & a prospect.

 

I've stated in numerous threads that the Rangers aren't interested in moving Mench unless they get a can't miss stud pitcher. Volume will not overwhelm them.

 

If we asked for Mench, they'd ask for Zambrano and the discussions end right there.

 

The Rangers are quite obviously off their rockers then. As good as Mench is (and he's good enough for my fantasy team, 3 HR, woo!), he's not that good. He's also already 27.

 

I didn't say the Rangers expect to get Zambrano for Mench. But they would want a young starter that has seen success at the major league level if they were to trade Mench. (They have no intentions of trading him.) The Cubs just don't match up there. Mitre hasn't seen enough success. Williams will have to prove he's found it again. Those players don't have the ceiling that the Rangers would want.

 

Our farm hands aren't high enough ceiling or don't have enough experience. The Rangers would seek to look elsewhere.

 

The plan the Rangers have were to be contenders in 2006 with the young core of Mench, Nix, Tex, Young, and Blaylock. They prefer to keep all five of those. They will look to develop pitchers from their system or sign others or trade without giving up one of those five. To trade one of those five you're going to have to blow them away with quality not quanity.

 

Yeah - more and more on this bd. I see trade props. that are basically an all-you-can-eat buffet of former prospecs who we have soured on or who have been underwhelming as of late, for example, Mitre, Dubois, Welly, etc. [/b]

[Backtobanks]

They need pitching in the worst way, i'd bet they'd want 2 pitchers in the deal.

 

Well, let's tinker with the deal a little bit. Mitre, Dubois, & Welly for Mench & a prospect.

 

I've stated in numerous threads that the Rangers aren't interested in moving Mench unless they get a can't miss stud pitcher. Volume will not overwhelm them.

 

If we asked for Mench, they'd ask for Zambrano and the discussions end right there.

 

The Rangers are quite obviously off their rockers then. As good as Mench is (and he's good enough for my fantasy team, 3 HR, woo!), he's not that good. He's also already 27.

 

I didn't say the Rangers expect to get Zambrano for Mench. But they would want a young starter that has seen success at the major league level if they were to trade Mench. (They have no intentions of trading him.) The Cubs just don't match up there. Mitre hasn't seen enough success. Williams will have to prove he's found it again. Those players don't have the ceiling that the Rangers would want.

 

Our farm hands aren't high enough ceiling or don't have enough experience. The Rangers would seek to look elsewhere.

 

The plan the Rangers have were to be contenders in 2006 with the young core of Mench, Nix, Tex, Young, and Blaylock. They prefer to keep all five of those. They will look to develop pitchers from their system or sign others or trade without giving up one of those five. To trade one of those five you're going to have to blow them away with quality not quanity.

 

Yeah - more and more on this bd. I see trade props. that are basically an all-you-can-eat buffet of former prospecs who we have soured on or who have been underwhelming as of late, for example, Mitre, Dubois, Welly, etc. [/b]

 

But who knows what Mitre, Dubois, Welly, etc. could do in the right situation and given a starting job. They don't necessarily fit in the Cubs plans because we have 5 starting pitchers (or 6 or 7) and a manager who doesn't feel comfortable playing rookies. Also, the Cubs consider themselves contenders so they try to go with the proven players. If I were an opposing GM with a team built for the future, I would certainly look at a chance to get players like Mitre, Dubois, Welly, etc. As for who I would trade for these prospects, I would have to look at the strengths and needs of my team and what kind of Major League ready prospects my farm system has.

[Elrhino]

The Rangers never really really considered themselves to be serious contenders this season anyway. They have plenty of Welly and Mitre caliber prospects in their system. They want/need a top of the rotation pitcher.

[Backtobanks]

The Rangers never really really considered themselves to be serious contenders this season anyway. They have plenty of Welly and Mitre caliber prospects in their system. They want/need a top of the rotation pitcher.

 

If they have Welly and Mitre caliber prospects, they should be pitching them in the Majors. Their pitching is lousy.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Rangers never really really considered themselves to be serious contenders this season anyway. They have plenty of Welly and Mitre caliber prospects in their system. They want/need a top of the rotation pitcher.

 

If they have Welly and Mitre caliber prospects, they should be pitching them in the Majors. Their pitching is lousy.

 

You do realize that Mitre (1.36 WHIP, .261 BAA, and 5.52 ERA) and Wellemeyer (1.42WHIP, .231 BAA, 4.74 ERA) don't look like top caliber players to a lot of teams. They may be players that might become that...and both have shown the ability to dominate, neither have done so. What about those two would make Texas think that they could help them enough this year to justify trading away a piece of their future?

 

The Rangers rotation prior to Rogers injury and suspension was:

 

Rogers (2. 46 ERA, 1.28 WHP, 253 BAA)

PArk (5.50 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, 296 BAA)

C. Young (3.33 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, .245 BAA)

C. Wilson (7.15 ERA, 2.12 WHip, .715 BAA)

R. Rodriguez (3.65 ERA, 1.22 Whip, .276 BAA)

 

Mitre and Welly are better than Park and Wilson, but not any better than Young and Rodriguez. The Rangers released Drese who has performed at or near Mitre's level this year because of inconsistencies.

 

On the farm they have Thomas Diamond (not quite ready) and lefty John Danks. They've shuttled Juan Dominguez back and forth and he's about Welly talent-wise.

 

Welly and Mitre aren't going to be enough to get a key piece of their team. They might give us Delucci for one of them. Throw in both and an outfielder and we could have Hidalgo. We just don't have the player that would make them trade Mench. They don't want quanity, they'll want quality. Zambrano is the closest we have to what they're looking for. We wouldn't, nor shouldn't do that. That's why there isn't a match between the two teams to net Mench.

[Backtobanks]

The Rangers never really really considered themselves to be serious contenders this season anyway. They have plenty of Welly and Mitre caliber prospects in their system. They want/need a top of the rotation pitcher.

 

If they have Welly and Mitre caliber prospects, they should be pitching them in the Majors. Their pitching is lousy.

 

You do realize that Mitre (1.36 WHIP, .261 BAA, and 5.52 ERA) and Wellemeyer (1.42WHIP, .231 BAA, 4.74 ERA) don't look like top caliber players to a lot of teams. They may be players that might become that...and both have shown the ability to dominate, neither have done so. What about those two would make Texas think that they could help them enough this year to justify trading away a piece of their future?

 

The Rangers rotation prior to Rogers injury and suspension was:

 

Rogers (2. 46 ERA, 1.28 WHP, 253 BAA)

PArk (5.50 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, 296 BAA)

C. Young (3.33 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, .245 BAA)

C. Wilson (7.15 ERA, 2.12 WHip, .715 BAA)

R. Rodriguez (3.65 ERA, 1.22 Whip, .276 BAA)

 

Mitre and Welly are better than Park and Wilson, but not any better than Young and Rodriguez. The Rangers released Drese who has performed at or near Mitre's level this year because of inconsistencies.

 

On the farm they have Thomas Diamond (not quite ready) and lefty John Danks. They've shuttled Juan Dominguez back and forth and he's about Welly talent-wise.

 

Welly and Mitre aren't going to be enough to get a key piece of their team. They might give us Delucci for one of them. Throw in both and an outfielder and we could have Hidalgo. We just don't have the player that would make them trade Mench. They don't want quanity, they'll want quality. Zambrano is the closest we have to what they're looking for. We wouldn't, nor shouldn't do that. That's why there isn't a match between the two teams to net Mench.[/quote

 

I still think that Welly, Mitre, Rusch, & Williams would be #3, #4, & #5 starters on quite a few teams in the majors. The trade I mentioned would not necessarily help the Rangers this year (since they aren't going to win the Division this year anyhow), but would help in the next 2-4 years when some of their youngsters mature along with players like Welly & Mitre. Also, I would think there are some GMs who realize that Welly & Mitre have been shuffled from starting to relieving to the minors and back again. Put them in a consistent role and they might realize the potential that they show.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Rangers never really really considered themselves to be serious contenders this season anyway. They have plenty of Welly and Mitre caliber prospects in their system. They want/need a top of the rotation pitcher.

 

If they have Welly and Mitre caliber prospects, they should be pitching them in the Majors. Their pitching is lousy.

 

You do realize that Mitre (1.36 WHIP, .261 BAA, and 5.52 ERA) and Wellemeyer (1.42WHIP, .231 BAA, 4.74 ERA) don't look like top caliber players to a lot of teams. They may be players that might become that...and both have shown the ability to dominate, neither have done so. What about those two would make Texas think that they could help them enough this year to justify trading away a piece of their future?

 

The Rangers rotation prior to Rogers injury and suspension was:

 

Rogers (2. 46 ERA, 1.28 WHP, 253 BAA)

PArk (5.50 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, 296 BAA)

C. Young (3.33 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, .245 BAA)

C. Wilson (7.15 ERA, 2.12 WHip, .715 BAA)

R. Rodriguez (3.65 ERA, 1.22 Whip, .276 BAA)

 

Mitre and Welly are better than Park and Wilson, but not any better than Young and Rodriguez. The Rangers released Drese who has performed at or near Mitre's level this year because of inconsistencies.

 

On the farm they have Thomas Diamond (not quite ready) and lefty John Danks. They've shuttled Juan Dominguez back and forth and he's about Welly talent-wise.

 

Welly and Mitre aren't going to be enough to get a key piece of their team. They might give us Delucci for one of them. Throw in both and an outfielder and we could have Hidalgo. We just don't have the player that would make them trade Mench. They don't want quanity, they'll want quality. Zambrano is the closest we have to what they're looking for. We wouldn't, nor shouldn't do that. That's why there isn't a match between the two teams to net Mench.

 

I still think that Welly, Mitre, Rusch, & Williams would be #3, #4, & #5 starters on quite a few teams in the majors. The trade I mentioned would not necessarily help the Rangers this year (since they aren't going to win the Division this year anyhow), but would help in the next 2-4 years when some of their youngsters mature along with players like Welly & Mitre. Also, I would think there are some GMs who realize that Welly & Mitre have been shuffled from starting to relieving to the minors and back again. Put them in a consistent role and they might realize the potential that they show.

 

And you're right that it could help them in the future, but to trade Mench they're going to want more than that. In their minds, Mitre and Welly are no better than Diamond or Danks who will also help them in the future. They would probably have a lot of interest in Mitre and Welly if we're asking for Soriano, Hidalgo, or Delucci. If we're asking for Mench or one of the young core players, then Mitre and Welly aren't even in the ballpark of what they are looking for.