Bears off-season thread 2022

[jumbo]

Daniels signed for 3/26.5

Nichols 2/11

Artie Burns 1/2

Jakeem Grant 3/13.8

 

Poles must not have liked what he saw on film from Daniels or Nichols. Neither of those deals seem wildly out of line money wise.

I thought Grant might come back on a 2/5 type deal, but that's a lot from Cleveland.

 

As always, these numbers are not pure payout; contract structure matters and will likely reduce the effective AAV

[jersey cubs fan]

Daniels signed for 3/26.5

Nichols 2/11

Artie Burns 1/2

Jakeem Grant 3/13.8

 

Poles must not have liked what he saw on film from Daniels or Nichols. Neither of those deals seem wildly out of line money wise.

I thought Grant might come back on a 2/5 type deal, but that's a lot from Cleveland.

 

As always, these numbers are not pure payout; contract structure matters and will likely reduce the effective AAV

Daniels got 3/26.5 and the guy they signed to replace him got 2/8. And he's supposedly a more nasty type of lineman, which Poles made clear he prefers. I think saving money and getting the type of player you prefer makes sense here.

[raw]

Daniels signed for 3/26.5

Nichols 2/11

Artie Burns 1/2

Jakeem Grant 3/13.8

 

Poles must not have liked what he saw on film from Daniels or Nichols. Neither of those deals seem wildly out of line money wise.

I thought Grant might come back on a 2/5 type deal, but that's a lot from Cleveland.

 

As always, these numbers are not pure payout; contract structure matters and will likely reduce the effective AAV

 

I figured Grant for a Cordarrelle Patterson Bears deal. He got 2/10 from the Bears a few years ago (1/3 from Atlanta). I was expected 3/15 and would have been willing to go there to keep him in Chicago. Liked him as a gadget/speed player, but not a big loss if he's going to not consistently make it back to the 25 on kickoffs he runs deep out of the endzone.

[WrigleyField 22]

Daniels signed for 3/26.5

Nichols 2/11

Artie Burns 1/2

Jakeem Grant 3/13.8

 

Poles must not have liked what he saw on film from Daniels or Nichols. Neither of those deals seem wildly out of line money wise.

I thought Grant might come back on a 2/5 type deal, but that's a lot from Cleveland.

 

As always, these numbers are not pure payout; contract structure matters and will likely reduce the effective AAV

Daniels got 3/26.5 and the guy they signed to replace him got 2/8. And he's supposedly a more nasty type of lineman, which Poles made clear he prefers. I think saving money and getting the type of player you prefer makes sense here.

Daniels should have been a good got athletically for the scheme. I guess attitude (or even consistency) are being prioritized.

 

This guy got ARob extension wrong last year, but I feel like maybe he has called other things and is maybe connected?

[raw]

Daniels signed for 3/26.5

Nichols 2/11

Artie Burns 1/2

Jakeem Grant 3/13.8

 

Poles must not have liked what he saw on film from Daniels or Nichols. Neither of those deals seem wildly out of line money wise.

I thought Grant might come back on a 2/5 type deal, but that's a lot from Cleveland.

 

As always, these numbers are not pure payout; contract structure matters and will likely reduce the effective AAV

Daniels got 3/26.5 and the guy they signed to replace him got 2/8. And he's supposedly a more nasty type of lineman, which Poles made clear he prefers. I think saving money and getting the type of player you prefer makes sense here.

Daniels should have been a good got athletically for the scheme. I guess attitude (or even consistency) are being prioritized.

 

This guy got ARob extension wrong last year, but I feel like maybe he has called other things and is maybe connected?

 

He posted a video of Ogunjobi being blocked to the ground in last year's game vs. the Bears and captioned it with something like "getting bodied by the worst C in the league". Meanwhile, he completely ignored the fact that Daniels and Whitehair also gave him hits at the same time to knock him off balance helping Mustipher put him on the ground.

[JeffH]

Lucas Patrick was destined to be a Chicago Bear.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/clay-matthews-suffers-broken-nose-in-softball-game-0ap3000000935442

 

A charity softball game took a serious turn Saturday when Green Bay Packers linebacker Clay Matthews took a line drive to the face.

 

Matthews, who was pitching to Packers offensive lineman Lucas Patrick in the Green & Gold Charity Softball Game, was slow to react to the ball, which Patrick hit directly back to him. As seen in the above video, Matthews didn't have time to deflect the ball, which appeared to strike him in the nose.

[Splendid Splinter]

Daniels got 3/26.5 and the guy they signed to replace him got 2/8. And he's supposedly a more nasty type of lineman, which Poles made clear he prefers. I think saving money and getting the type of player you prefer makes sense here.

 

Not only that, but Patrick played for Getsy and they're putting him at C (although he can play G as well) since he knows the playbook. Be nice for Fields to have that C who knows the schemes, calls, etc before camp even starts. I think that part hasn't been brought up enough. Really smart move by Poles/Eberlus/Getsy IMO.

[UMFan83]

 

Maybe the Bears won’t horsefeathers this up?

[WrigleyField 22]

Based on this DE market, I think Poles sold low on Mack, but should try and make up for it by selling high on Quinn.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Mack's extrapolated season would have brought back more, but as it is, he's a 3/60 contract coming off a 7 game season as a 31 year old. I feel like he got fair value, personally.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Maybe the Bears won’t horsefeathers this up?

Not the group I was hoping for. HKS would have been better imo

[jumbo]

Daniels signed for 3/26.5

Nichols 2/11

Artie Burns 1/2

Jakeem Grant 3/13.8

 

Poles must not have liked what he saw on film from Daniels or Nichols. Neither of those deals seem wildly out of line money wise.

I thought Grant might come back on a 2/5 type deal, but that's a lot from Cleveland.

 

As always, these numbers are not pure payout; contract structure matters and will likely reduce the effective AAV

Daniels got 3/26.5 and the guy they signed to replace him got 2/8. And he's supposedly a more nasty type of lineman, which Poles made clear he prefers. I think saving money and getting the type of player you prefer makes sense here.

 

I looked at Patrick as C, not G (not a replacement exactly) but I agree that it's a sensible and good signing

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Maybe the Bears won’t horsefeathers this up?

Not the group I was hoping for. HKS would have been better imo

I want a real grass field like Raiders have though. Hope they do it again.

[UMFan83]

[jumbo]

Daniels signed for 3/26.5

Nichols 2/11

Artie Burns 1/2

Jakeem Grant 3/13.8

 

Poles must not have liked what he saw on film from Daniels or Nichols. Neither of those deals seem wildly out of line money wise.

I thought Grant might come back on a 2/5 type deal, but that's a lot from Cleveland.

 

As always, these numbers are not pure payout; contract structure matters and will likely reduce the effective AAV

Daniels got 3/26.5 and the guy they signed to replace him got 2/8. And he's supposedly a more nasty type of lineman, which Poles made clear he prefers. I think saving money and getting the type of player you prefer makes sense here.

Daniels should have been a good got athletically for the scheme. I guess attitude (or even consistency) are being prioritized.

 

This guy got ARob extension wrong last year, but I feel like maybe he has called other things and is maybe connected?

 

 

He did have something that he predicted that came true, can't recall what it is.

 

I think you could easily go into 2022 with Borom and Jenkins at RT/RG, as long as you get a versatile veteran as depth/competition.

Not sure if JC Tretter is a good option at C with respect to scheme and what his contract demand might be.

 

My take is sign some talented upside/value guys regardless of position and let them sort it out in training camp. Multiple C options would be great. Pushing Borom into a reserve role would be great.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Maybe the Bears won’t horsefeathers this up?

Not the group I was hoping for. HKS would have been better imo

I want a real grass field like Raiders have though. Hope they do it again.

If they go that direction I hope they do it better than SF

[minnesotacubsfan]

Daniels got 3/26.5 and the guy they signed to replace him got 2/8. And he's supposedly a more nasty type of lineman, which Poles made clear he prefers. I think saving money and getting the type of player you prefer makes sense here.

Daniels should have been a good got athletically for the scheme. I guess attitude (or even consistency) are being prioritized.

 

This guy got ARob extension wrong last year, but I feel like maybe he has called other things and is maybe connected?

 

 

He did have something that he predicted that came true, can't recall what it is.

 

I think you could easily go into 2022 with Borom and Jenkins at RT/RG, as long as you get a versatile veteran as depth/competition.

Not sure if JC Tretter is a good option at C with respect to scheme and what his contract demand might be.

 

My take is sign some talented upside/value guys regardless of position and let them sort it out in training camp. Multiple C options would be great. Pushing Borom into a reserve role would be great.

I don't understand why Borom would start T over Jenkins. Health?

[WrigleyField 22]

Daniels should have been a good got athletically for the scheme. I guess attitude (or even consistency) are being prioritized.

 

This guy got ARob extension wrong last year, but I feel like maybe he has called other things and is maybe connected?

 

 

He did have something that he predicted that came true, can't recall what it is.

 

I think you could easily go into 2022 with Borom and Jenkins at RT/RG, as long as you get a versatile veteran as depth/competition.

Not sure if JC Tretter is a good option at C with respect to scheme and what his contract demand might be.

 

My take is sign some talented upside/value guys regardless of position and let them sort it out in training camp. Multiple C options would be great. Pushing Borom into a reserve role would be great.

I don't understand why Borom would start T over Jenkins. Health?

I think it is just kind of play style maybe? Jenkins plays with an agressive style that could maybe make him an elite G. And while he can probably handle outside he doesn't have elite OT measurables. Could just be that Poles sees a potential Brandon Scherff like G instead of like a mid range starting T.

 

As for Borom, he then fills out the other spot, but you focus on best guy in best spot first.

[WrigleyField 22]

Not the group I was hoping for. HKS would have been better imo

I want a real grass field like Raiders have though. Hope they do it again.

If they go that direction I hope they do it better than SF

SF isn't really relevant? Arizona and LV are the only domed teams with grass. For those teams it was a matter of rolling the field out to take advantage of natural sunlight and weather. For Bears probably would be more likely to be some sort of artificial light growing system that keeps it all indoors. No idea if it's really that feasible, but would be awesome. I think there may be a couple soccer clubs that do it?

[minnesotacubsfan]

I want a real grass field like Raiders have though. Hope they do it again.

If they go that direction I hope they do it better than SF

SF isn't really relevant? Arizona and LV are the only domed teams with grass. For those teams it was a matter of rolling the field out to take advantage of natural sunlight and weather. For Bears probably would be more likely to be some sort of artificial light growing system that keeps it all indoors. No idea if it's really that feasible, but would be awesome. I think there may be a couple soccer clubs that do it?

 

 

i'm sure there are several ways to do it well, the rolling field would even work considering the size of the parcel the Bears bought

[jersey cubs fan]

If they go that direction I hope they do it better than SF

SF isn't really relevant? Arizona and LV are the only domed teams with grass. For those teams it was a matter of rolling the field out to take advantage of natural sunlight and weather. For Bears probably would be more likely to be some sort of artificial light growing system that keeps it all indoors. No idea if it's really that feasible, but would be awesome. I think there may be a couple soccer clubs that do it?

 

 

i'm sure there are several ways to do it well, the rolling field would even work considering the size of the parcel the Bears bought

Grass won't be growing all that well rolled out in November in December.

[minnesotacubsfan]

SF isn't really relevant? Arizona and LV are the only domed teams with grass. For those teams it was a matter of rolling the field out to take advantage of natural sunlight and weather. For Bears probably would be more likely to be some sort of artificial light growing system that keeps it all indoors. No idea if it's really that feasible, but would be awesome. I think there may be a couple soccer clubs that do it?

 

 

i'm sure there are several ways to do it well, the rolling field would even work considering the size of the parcel the Bears bought

Grass won't be growing all that well rolled out in November in December.

no, but summer/spring/fall months it would grow well and still allow the Bears to use the stadium for other purposes, march madness, concerts, what have you, and not destroy the turf doing so. Plus, a grow-house could be constructed next to the stadium if you want to keep it warm but dormant during the winter

[jersey cubs fan]

 

 

i'm sure there are several ways to do it well, the rolling field would even work considering the size of the parcel the Bears bought

Grass won't be growing all that well rolled out in November in December.

no, but summer/spring/fall months it would grow well and still allow the Bears to use the stadium for other purposes, march madness, concerts, what have you, and not destroy the turf doing so. Plus, a grow-house could be constructed next to the stadium if you want to keep it warm but dormant during the winter

all grow house technology should be used for something more important, and icky.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

 

i'm sure there are several ways to do it well, the rolling field would even work considering the size of the parcel the Bears bought

Grass won't be growing all that well rolled out in November in December.

no, but summer/spring/fall months it would grow well and still allow the Bears to use the stadium for other purposes, march madness, concerts, what have you, and not destroy the turf doing so. Plus, a grow-house could be constructed next to the stadium if you want to keep it warm but dormant during the winter

That's true I guess. Lambeau uses some sort of artificial light growing system for the winter months and they do pretty well. They also have that hybrid grass that's reinforced with turf. If it works for them I'd think it works for Chicago and then you just gotta put the whole field on giant wheels (basically).

 

As far as other venues, this is just my wacky idea with zero professional knowledge.

 

Grass as your base level with optimized NFL sight lines. An artifical light/irrigation system that rolls out over it but that can also support weight of your secondary venue floor like NCAA tourney. You raise the floor a bunch, but those bottom row sight lines are useless anyways for stuff like that. So while the Final 4 is rocking above the grass you have lights and irrigation keeping the grass happy underneath.

 

I guess it's a question of strength if that support system being possible? I remember reading about Vegas's structure and they had a similar conundrum because they wanted to maximize seats. Whereas Arizona kept the rollover section as lean as possible, Vegas had to really beef up engineering to hold seats and allow the field to roll under. Then for Tottenham they took the approach of splitting the field. But that seems like a worse option for NFL.

 

Otherwise I guess yea, you do the exact same design (basically) as Vegas but in your empty field have some system to erect temporary green structure and artificial lights for Nov-Feb growing. In either form, probably using Lambeaus hybrid turf is best bet.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Grass won't be growing all that well rolled out in November in December.

no, but summer/spring/fall months it would grow well and still allow the Bears to use the stadium for other purposes, march madness, concerts, what have you, and not destroy the turf doing so. Plus, a grow-house could be constructed next to the stadium if you want to keep it warm but dormant during the winter

That's true I guess. Lambeau uses some sort of artificial light growing system for the winter months and they do pretty well. They also have that hybrid grass that's reinforced with turf. If it works for them I'd think it works for Chicago and then you just gotta put the whole field on giant wheels (basically).

 

As far as other venues, this is just my wacky idea with zero professional knowledge.

 

Grass as your base level with optimisized NFL sight lines. An artifical light/irrigation system that rolls out over it but that can also support weight of your secondary venue floor like NCAA tourney. You raise the floor a bunch, but those bottom row sight lines are useless anyways for stuff like that. So while the Final 4 is rocking above the grass you have lights and irrigation keeping the grass happy underneath.

 

I guess it's a question of strength if that support system being possible? I remember reading about Vegas's structure and they had a similar conundrum because they wanted to maximize seats. Whereas Arizona kept the rollover section as lean as possible, Vegas had to really beef up engineering to hold seats and allow the field to roll under. Then for Tottenham they took the approach of splitting the field. But that seems like a worse option for NFL.

 

eta: I guess he looks at engineering like ballroom dancing...yeah guess what, its not

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/engineer-in-step-with-changing-las-vegas-landscape/

 

Otherwise I guess yea, you do the exact same design (basically) as Vegas but in your empty field have some system to erect temporary green structure and artificial lights for Nov-Feb. In either form, probably using GBs hybrid turf is best bet.

 

through an unlikely set of circumstance, I met the structural engineer/contractor who did the seating stations at LV's stadium. My guess is it is over designed due to the fact I had to fire him on a project of my own....because he lost his license 1/2 trough it. He holds several engineering and contracting licenses and the one he lost was not his engineering license that he used for the stadium, but the incompetence remains. Lets hope the Bears design team finds a better option in the Chicago area

 

eta: I guess he thinks engineering is similar to ballroom dancing..yeah guess what its not

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/engineer-in-step-with-changing-las-vegas-landscape/