Bears off-season thread 2022

[minnesotacubsfan]

There's been rumors connecting him to the Bears job before Nagy's seat ever got too warm.

 

do you mean Daboll or Harbaugh?

 

Daboll. Ben Allbright (Broncos guy) has suggested that Daboll was the favorite to be the next Bears coach since the summer.

 

interesting

[WrigleyField 22]

Setting aside GM/coach talk for a moment and looking ahead to player acquisition.

 

 

Interesting thought for a top target for the Bears. I am pretty resigned that they won't get a true number 1, but maybe can collect some depth and hope one of them or Mooney vaults into true stud territory. Kirk isn't huge but good speed.

 

Earlier PFF article ranked Kirk as the 50th ranked FA with an estimated contract value of 3/35 with 24 guaranteed

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

 

In that next tier down from Kirk is a group of youngish (<27) possible breakout guys like

Cedric Wilson Jr

Zay Jones

Russell Gage

 

All bring a little extra size as well. I'd guess they'll each fall in the 7M range once all said and done.

 

I'd basically like no FA to be signed to a deal that goes past their age 30 season. Focus on yound ascending bets and avoid the top of the market. Possibly position yourself to get a comp pick for ARob (though it may be tough).

[Bertz]

I don't know that I'd have strong negative reaction to any of the HC options, but I think Daboll is the only one I've heard I'd be legitimately excited by.

 

Similar on the GM front, I don't know that I hate many of the names we've heard, but I think the Cleveland guys + JoJo Wooden are the most exciting for me. I think Kwesi Adolfo Mensah from Cleveland is my number 1. Assuming we end up retaining Champ Kelly I feel like that's a really strong complimentary pair at the top of the Org.

[WrigleyField 22]

^From that same article, Hicks (2/17) and Daniels (5/50) are listed as top target for LAC and NYG respectively.

 

Other Bears FA with estimated values

Allen Robinson, 3/48

Germain Ifedi, 2/13

 

Surprised Bilal didn't make the top 100 list. But hes young and DT isn't super deep so he might still make a decent contract in FA. But that would put 5 Bears in likely comp pick range with probably Dalton and Graham to also be maybe comp pick range. So if all 7 were CFAs signing qualifying deals, Bears could sign 6 CFAs and still get a comp pick. ARob would probably be borderline 3/4 at 16M. Daniels a 4/5, Hicks and Ifedi a 5. I'd guess Ifedi at 5 and then maybe 6/7 for Dalton/Graham. Of course if they retain someone like Daniels then they could only sign 5 CFAs and so on.

 

I think that's doable, but it takes some discipline. But target like 4 guys in the 4/5 round range and don't sign anyone else to a deal above ~1.8M (unless they aren't CFA eligible) and net a comp pick or two for 2023.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Really hope the new regime thinks like that and compiles draft capital rather than pissing it all away on must-haves.

[raw]

^From that same article, Hicks (2/17) and Daniels (5/50) are listed as top target for LAC and NYG respectively.

 

Other Bears FA with estimated values

Allen Robinson, 3/48

Germain Ifedi, 2/13

 

Surprised Bilal didn't make the top 100 list. But hes young and DT isn't super deep so he might still make a decent contract in FA. But that would put 5 Bears in likely comp pick range with probably Dalton and Graham to also be maybe comp pick range. So if all 7 were CFAs signing qualifying deals, Bears could sign 6 CFAs and still get a comp pick. ARob would probably be borderline 3/4 at 16M. Daniels a 4/5, Hicks and Ifedi a 5. I'd guess Ifedi at 5 and then maybe 6/7 for Dalton/Graham. Of course if they retain someone like Daniels then they could only sign 5 CFAs and so on.

 

I think that's doable, but it takes some discipline. But target like 4 guys in the 4/5 round range and don't sign anyone else to a deal above ~1.8M (unless they aren't CFA eligible) and net a comp pick or two for 2023.

 

Yeah, I've been putting some stuff together. I think the Bears re-sign Daniels. I'd really like to see him in a different offense that doesn't feature a bunch of shotgun snaps on pure passing downs with 5 man blocking schemes with no chips from RB or TE. I think we could see guys perform better across the board simply with a scheme change. And if you want to improve on Daniels, you're likely getting older (he's the youngest FA in the league) and just as expensive. Cheaper guys may not be as good. The big money guys (Scherff) aren't going to be attainable (also cancels out comp for ARob if you spend that much).

 

ARob for sure in the 3/4 range. The goal should be to keep that pick. So, you aren't going to be able to sign anyone in that price range (12-18Mil AAV). I don't know if Graham will even play next year, but assuming guys like Dalton, Ifedi, and Hicks get signed early enough, that allows 3 UFAs you're able to sign in the 4-10M AAV range. I'm 50/50 on Nichols. Probably lose Hicks and cut Goldman, so losing all 3 starters from a deep DL would hurt a bunch. Then there's still Edwards who is an ass that probably should be cut as well. So, you're choosing between Nichols and a FA of a similar tier, likely also at DL since now you'd need talent there. And like Daniels, Nichols is one of the younger guys in a weak DL class.

 

I'd also look heavy at the cap casualties. One guy that comes to mind is Brandin Cooks, who I'm pretty sure the Texans won't pay. Not sure if they'll cut him or trade him though. If they do cut him, a guy like him would be a no-brainer IMO. IF they trade him, probably won't be for more than a 5th or 6th, and I'd do that if it's a 2023 pick. I do love Christian Kirk, but I'd rather bring in a guy for 1-2 year (Will Fuller, DJ Chark) rather than signing a non-#1 option to a multi-year deal. Draft a top WR, sign a compliment. But don't pay a compliment long-term money.

 

Other than that, short term deals. Lottery tickets. I think that's part of the appeal of a defensive HC. He'd know guys that fit in the scheme, and the D is where the Bears really need most of their depth. They really only need 3 starters on offense. 2 WRs and 1 OL (if they keep Daniels). They can draft 2 of those with the first 2 picks. On D, they need starters at ILB, SS, CB, maybe nickel, DL (maybe 2 spots) and depth at DL, LB, and safety. A defensive guy like Eberflus, Flores, or god forbid, even Frazier could find some nice depth pieces for cheap from their experience.

[WrigleyField 22]

^From that same article, Hicks (2/17) and Daniels (5/50) are listed as top target for LAC and NYG respectively.

 

Other Bears FA with estimated values

Allen Robinson, 3/48

Germain Ifedi, 2/13

 

Surprised Bilal didn't make the top 100 list. But hes young and DT isn't super deep so he might still make a decent contract in FA. But that would put 5 Bears in likely comp pick range with probably Dalton and Graham to also be maybe comp pick range. So if all 7 were CFAs signing qualifying deals, Bears could sign 6 CFAs and still get a comp pick. ARob would probably be borderline 3/4 at 16M. Daniels a 4/5, Hicks and Ifedi a 5. I'd guess Ifedi at 5 and then maybe 6/7 for Dalton/Graham. Of course if they retain someone like Daniels then they could only sign 5 CFAs and so on.

 

I think that's doable, but it takes some discipline. But target like 4 guys in the 4/5 round range and don't sign anyone else to a deal above ~1.8M (unless they aren't CFA eligible) and net a comp pick or two for 2023.

 

Yeah, I've been putting some stuff together. I think the Bears re-sign Daniels. I'd really like to see him in a different offense that doesn't feature a bunch of shotgun snaps on pure passing downs with 5 man blocking schemes with no chips from RB or TE. I think we could see guys perform better across the board simply with a scheme change. And if you want to improve on Daniels, you're likely getting older (he's the youngest FA in the league) and just as expensive. Cheaper guys may not be as good. The big money guys (Scherff) aren't going to be attainable (also cancels out comp for ARob if you spend that much).

 

ARob for sure in the 3/4 range. The goal should be to keep that pick. So, you aren't going to be able to sign anyone in that price range (12-18Mil AAV). I don't know if Graham will even play next year, but assuming guys like Dalton, Ifedi, and Hicks get signed early enough, that allows 3 UFAs you're able to sign in the 4-10M AAV range. I'm 50/50 on Nichols. Probably lose Hicks and cut Goldman, so losing all 3 starters from a deep DL would hurt a bunch. Then there's still Edwards who is an ass that probably should be cut as well. So, you're choosing between Nichols and a FA of a similar tier, likely also at DL since now you'd need talent there. And like Daniels, Nichols is one of the younger guys in a weak DL class.

 

I'd also look heavy at the cap casualties. One guy that comes to mind is Brandin Cooks, who I'm pretty sure the Texans won't pay. Not sure if they'll cut him or trade him though. If they do cut him, a guy like him would be a no-brainer IMO. IF they trade him, probably won't be for more than a 5th or 6th, and I'd do that if it's a 2023 pick. I do love Christian Kirk, but I'd rather bring in a guy for 1-2 year (Will Fuller, DJ Chark) rather than signing a non-#1 option to a multi-year deal. Draft a top WR, sign a compliment. But don't pay a compliment long-term money.

 

Other than that, short term deals. Lottery tickets. I think that's part of the appeal of a defensive HC. He'd know guys that fit in the scheme, and the D is where the Bears really need most of their depth. They really only need 3 starters on offense. 2 WRs and 1 OL (if they keep Daniels). They can draft 2 of those with the first 2 picks. On D, they need starters at ILB, SS, CB, maybe nickel, DL (maybe 2 spots) and depth at DL, LB, and safety. A defensive guy like Eberflus, Flores, or god forbid, even Frazier could find some nice depth pieces for cheap from their experience.

Ideally I'd like to leave draft as wide open as possible and not be in a position to force anything. But if forced, I'd splurge on offense in FA then use those first two picks on D. Maybe trade down and pick up another top 100 pick. Feel like I've seen good things written about CB, DL, and LB in the draft.

 

If they do go with a defensive head coach it's looks like it's likely to be a Tampa-2 tree guy (or other 4-3 coach). So the DL problem is shifted a little, but then you need another off ball LB instead. They're not gonna find a Tommie Harris like talent at 3T, but they only have one good LB now. With as much nickel is played the SAM spot wouldn't be too bad to fill, maybe Attachou could fill that even? Smith could arguable by Mike or Will, but maybe depends on the other guy, which is a huge question mark.

[jersey cubs fan]

[WrigleyField 22]

Back on track to finish by March now.

[raw]

^From that same article, Hicks (2/17) and Daniels (5/50) are listed as top target for LAC and NYG respectively.

 

Other Bears FA with estimated values

Allen Robinson, 3/48

Germain Ifedi, 2/13

 

Surprised Bilal didn't make the top 100 list. But hes young and DT isn't super deep so he might still make a decent contract in FA. But that would put 5 Bears in likely comp pick range with probably Dalton and Graham to also be maybe comp pick range. So if all 7 were CFAs signing qualifying deals, Bears could sign 6 CFAs and still get a comp pick. ARob would probably be borderline 3/4 at 16M. Daniels a 4/5, Hicks and Ifedi a 5. I'd guess Ifedi at 5 and then maybe 6/7 for Dalton/Graham. Of course if they retain someone like Daniels then they could only sign 5 CFAs and so on.

 

I think that's doable, but it takes some discipline. But target like 4 guys in the 4/5 round range and don't sign anyone else to a deal above ~1.8M (unless they aren't CFA eligible) and net a comp pick or two for 2023.

 

Yeah, I've been putting some stuff together. I think the Bears re-sign Daniels. I'd really like to see him in a different offense that doesn't feature a bunch of shotgun snaps on pure passing downs with 5 man blocking schemes with no chips from RB or TE. I think we could see guys perform better across the board simply with a scheme change. And if you want to improve on Daniels, you're likely getting older (he's the youngest FA in the league) and just as expensive. Cheaper guys may not be as good. The big money guys (Scherff) aren't going to be attainable (also cancels out comp for ARob if you spend that much).

 

ARob for sure in the 3/4 range. The goal should be to keep that pick. So, you aren't going to be able to sign anyone in that price range (12-18Mil AAV). I don't know if Graham will even play next year, but assuming guys like Dalton, Ifedi, and Hicks get signed early enough, that allows 3 UFAs you're able to sign in the 4-10M AAV range. I'm 50/50 on Nichols. Probably lose Hicks and cut Goldman, so losing all 3 starters from a deep DL would hurt a bunch. Then there's still Edwards who is an ass that probably should be cut as well. So, you're choosing between Nichols and a FA of a similar tier, likely also at DL since now you'd need talent there. And like Daniels, Nichols is one of the younger guys in a weak DL class.

 

I'd also look heavy at the cap casualties. One guy that comes to mind is Brandin Cooks, who I'm pretty sure the Texans won't pay. Not sure if they'll cut him or trade him though. If they do cut him, a guy like him would be a no-brainer IMO. IF they trade him, probably won't be for more than a 5th or 6th, and I'd do that if it's a 2023 pick. I do love Christian Kirk, but I'd rather bring in a guy for 1-2 year (Will Fuller, DJ Chark) rather than signing a non-#1 option to a multi-year deal. Draft a top WR, sign a compliment. But don't pay a compliment long-term money.

 

Other than that, short term deals. Lottery tickets. I think that's part of the appeal of a defensive HC. He'd know guys that fit in the scheme, and the D is where the Bears really need most of their depth. They really only need 3 starters on offense. 2 WRs and 1 OL (if they keep Daniels). They can draft 2 of those with the first 2 picks. On D, they need starters at ILB, SS, CB, maybe nickel, DL (maybe 2 spots) and depth at DL, LB, and safety. A defensive guy like Eberflus, Flores, or god forbid, even Frazier could find some nice depth pieces for cheap from their experience.

Ideally I'd like to leave draft as wide open as possible and not be in a position to force anything. But if forced, I'd splurge on offense in FA then use those first two picks on D. Maybe trade down and pick up another top 100 pick. Feel like I've seen good things written about CB, DL, and LB in the draft.

 

If they do go with a defensive head coach it's looks like it's likely to be a Tampa-2 tree guy (or other 4-3 coach). So the DL problem is shifted a little, but then you need another off ball LB instead. They're not gonna find a Tommie Harris like talent at 3T, but they only have one good LB now. With as much nickel is played the SAM spot wouldn't be too bad to fill, maybe Attachou could fill that even? Smith could arguable by Mike or Will, but maybe depends on the other guy, which is a huge question mark.

 

Thought about the 4-3 switch too. I think Mack and Quinn work really well as 4-3 DEs, and Quinn basically plays that role even in a 3-4 (hand in dirt, never drops in coverage). The DL and LB rooms need a major makeover anyway. In a 4-3, you probably only need to be 4-5 deep instead of 5-6 deep in a 3-4. I also think Nichols could be a solid 3-tech, so even more reason to keep him. Edwards seems like an ideal 3T as well, but he's played there for other teams and wasn't very good. LB would need a bunch of bodies though. You'd have Roquan, who I'd probably move to WILL LB. But you'd need a SAM and a guy in the middle, though with 75% nickel, 1 of them doesn't have to be anything special.

 

As for spending, like I said, I don't think they need much on offense in terms of bodies. If they re-sign Daniels, they only really need 1 lineman. They aren't going to re-sign Daniels and sign another big FA OL. They could cut Whitehair, but then they are replacing him or starting Mustipher again, neither is ideal. The big money positions on offense are QB, LT, and WR. They COULD spend on a LT and move one of Jenkins/Borom to guard. But there's only 2 top tier OTs on the market. Those guys will cost 18-20Mil/year. The 2nd tier of OT is led by guys like Charles Leno, like he literally may be the 3rd best LT on the market. If you're getting a Leno level player (8-12M/year), you might as well keep your young guys at tackle and spend that much on a guard, which should give you a notch below elite level OG play instead of run-of-the-mill OT play. They could spend big at WR, but I really don't see a new GM throwing out a big time contract for the top guys. Plus, the Bears are already young on offense. QB, LT, RT, TE, WR1/2 is a young core. I don't see the point of adding a bunch of veterans to this group that needs to be developing together. And it's not like offense switches guys out every few plays. Don't ignore defense by any means. But offense should be trying to add long-term pieces. Defense, you can turn over every year minus your core guys (Smith, Johnson, Trevis Gipson, and for now Mack and Jackson) and just keep adding short term pieces to fill out the team.

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Leno is off market FYI. So I agree no tackle. Interior could be one guy or could be totally rebuilt, but Daniels will be the first big decision and rest falls into place from there.

 

I'd like to see two new splashy weapons, a WR and either a second WR or U-TE. Mooney and Newsome will be the only WR under contract.

 

On D theg probably need to spend a decent chunk at either CB or nickel. At that point you've probably exhausted any realistic spending that a new GM would want to do, who will likely not want too many eggs in the new basket. But focusing spending on weapons for Fields could be critical to his development. And a big leap from Fields is the most impactful thing this franchise could get.

[raw]

Leno is off market FYI. So I agree no tackle. Interior could be one guy or could be totally rebuilt, but Daniels will be the first big decision and rest falls into place from there.

 

I'd like to see two new splashy weapons, a WR and either a second WR or U-TE. Mooney and Newsome will be the only WR under contract.

 

On D theg probably need to spend a decent chunk at either CB or nickel. At that point you've probably exhausted any realistic spending that a new GM would want to do, who will likely not want too many eggs in the new basket. But focusing spending on weapons for Fields could be critical to his development. And a big leap from Fields is the most impactful thing this franchise could get.

 

 

Ah yeah, I forgot Leno re-signed.

 

But I think I disagree with most of this. I think the splashy WR needs to come thru the draft. This draft, like most other drafts in recent years, is loaded at WR. We've seen WRs go from draft pick to all-pro level in a year or two. Jefferson, Deebo, Calvin Ridley, Chase, Waddle. Granted, most of those guys are 1st round guys, but Deebo was a 2nd rounder. As was AJ Brown. Ridley and Jefferson mid-to-late 1, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that a WR in that similar vein is there in the early 2nd. The Bears just drafted a 1000 yard WR in the 5th. They can certainly find a decent in the early 2nd. Like I said, add a WR just for legitimacy. Someone you know can put up numbers if your rookie isn't a stud right away. Doesn't have to be special, just a step or 2 up from a Goodwin/Byrd type. And doesn't have to be expensive or long-term.

 

Also as for TE, I think people only want a U-TE because they are used to the Nagy offense where he told us he needed 2 TEs. But the Bears #2 TE had 23 targets and 14 catches. That's not anything they need to make a splash for. Sure it would be nice to have Njoku or something as a pass catching TE, especially with uncertainty at WR. But it's definitely not a must, especially when Kmet is still going to get the majority of the snaps. If Daboll gets the job, the Bills TE2 had 1/2 the production of Jimmy Graham. Again, not a must for an elite offense.

 

Lastly, I personally hate spending big money on FA CBs. I don't want to spend double digit millions on a guy that doesn't completely shut down his guy, with a caveat that I'm fine keeping your own guys like they did with Fuller and probably will with Johnson. I feel like CB is typically the biggest overpaid position in free agency. Like I'm sure the Jags aren't ecstatic about 13M per for Shaq Griffin and 0 INTs this year. He's marginally better than a CB that would cost half of that per year.

[jersey cubs fan]

[minnesotacubsfan]

Back on track to finish by March now.

 

maybe by then, someone will hire Daboll and then McCaskey will actually get to ponder the what if's and end up with whats left.

[WrigleyField 22]

Leno is off market FYI. So I agree no tackle. Interior could be one guy or could be totally rebuilt, but Daniels will be the first big decision and rest falls into place from there.

 

I'd like to see two new splashy weapons, a WR and either a second WR or U-TE. Mooney and Newsome will be the only WR under contract.

 

On D theg probably need to spend a decent chunk at either CB or nickel. At that point you've probably exhausted any realistic spending that a new GM would want to do, who will likely not want too many eggs in the new basket. But focusing spending on weapons for Fields could be critical to his development. And a big leap from Fields is the most impactful thing this franchise could get.

 

 

Ah yeah, I forgot Leno re-signed.

 

But I think I disagree with most of this. I think the splashy WR needs to come thru the draft. This draft, like most other drafts in recent years, is loaded at WR. We've seen WRs go from draft pick to all-pro level in a year or two. Jefferson, Deebo, Calvin Ridley, Chase, Waddle. Granted, most of those guys are 1st round guys, but Deebo was a 2nd rounder. As was AJ Brown. Ridley and Jefferson mid-to-late 1, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that a WR in that similar vein is there in the early 2nd. The Bears just drafted a 1000 yard WR in the 5th. They can certainly find a decent in the early 2nd. Like I said, add a WR just for legitimacy. Someone you know can put up numbers if your rookie isn't a stud right away. Doesn't have to be special, just a step or 2 up from a Goodwin/Byrd type. And doesn't have to be expensive or long-term.

 

Also as for TE, I think people only want a U-TE because they are used to the Nagy offense where he told us he needed 2 TEs. But the Bears #2 TE had 23 targets and 14 catches. That's not anything they need to make a splash for. Sure it would be nice to have Njoku or something as a pass catching TE, especially with uncertainty at WR. But it's definitely not a must, especially when Kmet is still going to get the majority of the snaps. If Daboll gets the job, the Bills TE2 had 1/2 the production of Jimmy Graham. Again, not a must for an elite offense.

 

Lastly, I personally hate spending big money on FA CBs. I don't want to spend double digit millions on a guy that doesn't completely shut down his guy, with a caveat that I'm fine keeping your own guys like they did with Fuller and probably will with Johnson. I feel like CB is typically the biggest overpaid position in free agency. Like I'm sure the Jags aren't ecstatic about 13M per for Shaq Griffin and 0 INTs this year. He's marginally better than a CB that would cost half of that per year.

I don't think they NEED a U-TE, but TE does look a little deeper than WR in FA and you still want another reliable pass catcher IMO. I don't think they'll be at the very top of the WR market, so basically just a strong #2 and slot or that U-TE depending on how the markets turn out. I don't really doubt a guy like Daboll would adjust his scheme to having two TE targets. If Fields was more established, I'd feel better about him lifting up more average WR, but until that day happens I think you help his development with solid weapons. If they fail to get reliable pass catchers they may be stuck with thier only decent option being a run heavy ground and pound, which could work ala Titans, but probably isn't ideal for Fields development.

 

In the draft, at 39 that's not quite premier prospect range and it's just so hard to predict how the draft will play out. 2nd rounders like Deebo or Pittman have taken a year or two to break out, generally. A lot of the guys you listed as you said were first rounders, often top 10.

 

Shaquill doesn't look like a good signing (though INT are always gonna be fluky), but something like 7-8M could definitely get you some stability. Not sure how they can roll a Vildor and whatever like rotation out there. Though it is supposed to be a deep CB draft, I think you at least need something in FA. With the nickel spot you could still have an open competition with Graham and draft pick. At very least get a good nickel.

[Splendid Splinter]

To raw/Wrigley, what will Levi Wallace get in FA?

 

You guys been talking about FA and who to target. He's someone who I was thinking of who Bears should go after at CB this offseason. Just not sure if he would be in that 5-7 mil range as I don't keep up with the projections and all that for free agents.

[WrigleyField 22]

To raw/Wrigley, what will Levi Wallace get in FA?

 

You guys been talking about FA and who to target. He's someone who I was thinking of who Bears should go after at CB this offseason. Just not sure if he would be in that 5-7 mil range as I don't keep up with the projections and all that for free agents.

Spotrac estimates him at 5.7M. PFF doesn't even have him in their FA tracker list, let alone a valuation. Over the Cap calls his valuation 8m which is supposed to be somewhat based on PFF grades, but isn't supposed to be a FA estimate.

 

But yea he's a guy I was thinking of who hopefully falls into the 7ish range. Young, experienced starter. Seems solid enough.

 

PFF estimates some of the older CB around $5M, which might be fine for a 1 year stopgap.

[WrigleyField 22]

Someone like Joe Haden would be the high floor vet. PFF estimates a 1 year $5M. Not sexy, but stable. On older side at 33, so not without risk, but a good hedge to maybe pass off torch to a young guy.

[raw]

To raw/Wrigley, what will Levi Wallace get in FA?

 

You guys been talking about FA and who to target. He's someone who I was thinking of who Bears should go after at CB this offseason. Just not sure if he would be in that 5-7 mil range as I don't keep up with the projections and all that for free agents.

 

Yeah that's the range he should be in. I think he's a solid CB who stepped up this year but some Bills fans don't love him.

 

He's the type of non big spending move I'd like. He can start in 2022, stabilize CB2. Hope Graham, Vildor or potentially a draft pick develops and you get your 3rd CB/nickel. If they outplay him by the end of the year, he's not a super expensive depth piece. Win/win.

 

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[David]

 

 

 

Going to use generic titles to avoid that nonsense

 

half seriously connecting some dots here?

 

Kahn - primary football guy (president?)

Hortiz - secondary football guy (GM?)

Harbaugh - HC

Caldwell - OC

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I don't know, rumor mill is hot in Caldwell as just HC now. Though maybe he feels like he'd turn down a HC gig for the "right" OC gig. Didn't Kubiak walk away from HC and the resurface as a OC. Older guy, had some undetermined health issue.

 

 

As for a Kahn/Hortiz pairing, I guess it depends on where Hortiz ranks in Ravens FO. He might already be the "Secondary" guy under DeCosta. If he is they might not let him move laterally. And Ravens tend to be a really loyal org that people don't love to move away from. DeCosta turned down opportunities for years.

[raw]

I skeptical of all these "hot" rumors. I agree on Caldwell, dude just had to turn down OC in Miami because of health issues, I'm not even sure he wants to be a HC. Maybe with a loaded staff where he doesn't have to run the O and has a strong DC who is a defacto assistant HC on that side of the ball. But I'd hate that hire almost as much as I'd hate Frazier. Caldwell will be 70 when Fields' rookie deal is over. Just screams to me that this organization doesn't understand what it has in Fields.

 

FWIW, I also don't buy Harbaugh in Chicago. I don't think you interview 16-17 GMs and a dozen HC candidates if you are going to go after Harbaugh. And if they were going after Harbaugh, I'd think there'd be more smoke there. As much as he's "meh" to me, he's not a guy you evaluate against competition. If there's serious mutual interest there, you get the Rooney Rule out of the way and hire him after 2-3 interviews. And he'd basically pick his GM so all those interviews would be moot. Maybe a Harbaugh possibility came about late in the process, but they're still adding guys as recently as this week.

[jersey cubs fan]

I skeptical of all these "hot" rumors. I agree on Caldwell, dude just had to turn down OC in Miami because of health issues, I'm not even sure he wants to be a HC. Maybe with a loaded staff where he doesn't have to run the O and has a strong DC who is a defacto assistant HC on that side of the ball. But I'd hate that hire almost as much as I'd hate Frazier. Caldwell will be 70 when Fields' rookie deal is over. Just screams to me that this organization doesn't understand what it has in Fields.

 

FWIW, I also don't buy Harbaugh in Chicago. I don't think you interview 16-17 GMs and a dozen HC candidates if you are going to go after Harbaugh. And if they were going after Harbaugh, I'd think there'd be more smoke there. As much as he's "meh" to me, he's not a guy you evaluate against competition. If there's serious mutual interest there, you get the Rooney Rule out of the way and hire him after 2-3 interviews. And he'd basically pick his GM so all those interviews would be moot. Maybe a Harbaugh possibility came about late in the process, but they're still adding guys as recently as this week.

I think George is using the interviews as much for learning about the game as he is learning about the candidates. I think they were dead set on interviewing a ton of candidates, and especially multiple minority candidates. I do not think that a bunch of interviews means Harbaugh is unrealistic. I do think the 10/100m contract to hire him is the bigger obstacle.

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I skeptical of all these "hot" rumors. I agree on Caldwell, dude just had to turn down OC in Miami because of health issues, I'm not even sure he wants to be a HC. Maybe with a loaded staff where he doesn't have to run the O and has a strong DC who is a defacto assistant HC on that side of the ball. But I'd hate that hire almost as much as I'd hate Frazier. Caldwell will be 70 when Fields' rookie deal is over. Just screams to me that this organization doesn't understand what it has in Fields.

 

FWIW, I also don't buy Harbaugh in Chicago. I don't think you interview 16-17 GMs and a dozen HC candidates if you are going to go after Harbaugh. And if they were going after Harbaugh, I'd think there'd be more smoke there. As much as he's "meh" to me, he's not a guy you evaluate against competition. If there's serious mutual interest there, you get the Rooney Rule out of the way and hire him after 2-3 interviews. And he'd basically pick his GM so all those interviews would be moot. Maybe a Harbaugh possibility came about late in the process, but they're still adding guys as recently as this week.

I think George is using the interviews as much for learning about the game as he is learning about the candidates. I think they were dead set on interviewing a ton of candidates, and especially multiple minority candidates. I do not think that a bunch of interviews means Harbaugh is unrealistic. I do think the 10/100m contract to hire him is the bigger obstacle.

 

That's probably a pretty fair assessment.

[Brian707]

Now NBC Sports Chicago is saying Daboll is the favorite. I think they all are just throwing darts at this point.