Bears off-season thread 2022

[jersey cubs fan]

It just seems so obvious to me that Daboll should be the guy. Unlike Nagy, he actually ran the offense in Buffalo. He has an offensive scheme that has proven to work. We have a competent defensive coordinator already in Desai. I feel like Frazier is the Jake Arrieta move. It's just bringing back a guy from the good old times to give people nostalgia rather than putting the best option in place.

It does seem obvious, with the caveat that maybe he doesn't believe in Fields. If he doesn't, and has made that point relatively clear, does it make sense to have him around as the team essentially tanks 2022 to try and draft a QB in 2023? You're then restocking the team while taking another swing at the position and putting off the next reckoning until ~2026, in that QBs 4th year and presumably Daboll's lame duck season.

 

If you have a coach that is cool on Fields but otherwise seems like the guy who checks your boxes, maybe it makes sense to go defense first, try and hire an OC that gets what you can out of Fields while turning the defense into a powerhouse. If Fields doesn't work out you have confidence the defense will be a strength and maybe you get a Grossman type career out of Fields, good enough to win with but not good enough to win on his own. Use up his 4 remaining control years while drafting QBs each year to replace him and luck into success while treating the QB position like RB. That type of guy presumably is where you'd go with a Flores, Eberflus or Bowles.

 

Daboll makes a ton of sense. McCaskey has said he does not want to narrow the search to a specific type of coach, but I have a feeling what he wants is Lovie 2.0, who was the only guy to have sustained success in the modern era of Bears football. The one thing they have consistently done is go opposite of whatever didn't work last. Lovie's solid defense and inconsistent offense was replaced by a "modern offensive guy" who couldn't lead the team, which led to a defensive oriented solid and stable proven NFL guy. Fox's inability to improve the offense led to them going with a young offensive coordinator.

 

It's going to take a lot for George to double down on young offensive coordinators, and go against his own type by moving to a "solid defensive guy" next.

Edited January 20, 2022 by jersey cubs fan

[David]

It just seems so obvious to me that Daboll should be the guy. Unlike Nagy, he actually ran the offense in Buffalo. He has an offensive scheme that has proven to work. We have a competent defensive coordinator already in Desai. I feel like Frazier is the Jake Arrieta move. It's just bringing back a guy from the good old times to give people nostalgia rather than putting the best option in place.

Nostalgia, when probably like half the fan base isn't old enough to really remember his playing days.

 

and his playing career was pretty short. i had no idea he tore up his knee in the SB and that was what ended his career, apparently.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm highly skeptical Daboll or any coach wouldn't want to work with Fields at all, anyways. That may come with some caveat that he isn't "sold" on him, but if he's waiting for another Allen level physical talent he'll be searching for a while.

 

For a GM, it should be even more clear. They won't get dinged by Fields not developing. A coach might get blamed for not developing Fields. So I guess there just has to be an understanding there that the coach has security and they'll be measured by maximizing offense output, not based on Fields being an All Pro, but something less than that.

[raw]

I think he's perfectly cromulent, but entirely uninspiring. Nagy was actually decent at the head coaching portion of the job. Lovie was the best at getting the most out of the team, but Nagy was right behind him in terms of having his team ready to compete every week. What he sucked at was making his side of the ball work. That and the stupid penalties and time related decisions. Frazier can probably be counted on to make his side of the ball work, but is that really a concern with the Bears? They've vacillated between great and fine, and occasionally dip into below average territory. But by and large, they've kept teams in the game for the better part of two decades. Frazier probably helps this defense improve, but what in his track record suggests he can inspire greatness for the overall team?

 

Yeah I think he's a solid enough candidate who's just a weird fit for the Bears right now. Being older isn't by itself bad. Having been meh his last go around isn't by itself bad. Ditto being a defense first guy. But all three together makes him not really fit into where the Bears are in their cycle.

 

Ironically he'd probably be a very good fit for a team like the Vikings.

 

You both summed it up perfectly. With Frazier, you're likely not getting a coach that will sign a 2nd contract even if he is great. This isn't an Arians, Carroll, Reid type situation where you have an old guy who was solid at a previous stop and has continuously led teams and potentially improved in areas of weakness. And I don't think he has enough of a "tree" like those guys where you're either developing his successor or have sought after coaches underneath him.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It does seem obvious, with the caveat that maybe he (you mean Daboll here) doesn't believe in Fields....

...Flores.....

 

While in general I understand and agree with what you wrote, so far we haven't heard any disparaging comments from Daboll about Fields (that I've seen anyway) but we have heard/seen reports of Flores and Watson shacking up. As a result, what you wrote is pure guessing, and I tend to think the opposite is more likely to be true: the best bet IS Daboll. It doesn't seem that hard to understand at all.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It just seems so obvious to me that Daboll should be the guy. Unlike Nagy, he actually ran the offense in Buffalo. He has an offensive scheme that has proven to work. We have a competent defensive coordinator already in Desai. I feel like Frazier is the Jake Arrieta move. It's just bringing back a guy from the good old times to give people nostalgia rather than putting the best option in place.

Nostalgia, when probably like half the fan base isn't old enough to really remember his playing days.

 

and his playing career was pretty short. i had no idea he tore up his knee in the SB and that was what ended his career, apparently.

 

I remember the play he blew both his knees out on, it was a reverse on a kick off or punt. stupid call by the ST coordinator as they were already up by a fair amount iirc

[UMFan83]

It's not going to be Daboll because we arent allowed to have good things.

 

/high value post

[WrigleyField 22]

It's not going to be Daboll because we arent allowed to have good things.

 

/high value post

But if we get Daboll he also won't be a good thing.

 

/higher value post

[jersey cubs fan]

It does seem obvious, with the caveat that maybe he (you mean Daboll here) doesn't believe in Fields....

...Flores.....

 

While in general I understand and agree with what you wrote, so far we haven't heard any disparaging comments from Daboll about Fields (that I've seen anyway) but we have heard/seen reports of Flores and Watson shacking up. As a result, what you wrote is pure guessing, and I tend to think the opposite is more likely to be true: the best bet IS Daboll. It doesn't seem that hard to understand at all.

Yes, what I wrote was pure guessing. That was the point of the post.

 

Daboll makes sense, but the reason for not going him that would also make sense is what I wrote. We aren't going to hear comments from Daboll saying he doesn't like Fields now.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It does seem obvious, with the caveat that maybe he (you mean Daboll here) doesn't believe in Fields....

...Flores.....

 

While in general I understand and agree with what you wrote, so far we haven't heard any disparaging comments from Daboll about Fields (that I've seen anyway) but we have heard/seen reports of Flores and Watson shacking up. As a result, what you wrote is pure guessing, and I tend to think the opposite is more likely to be true: the best bet IS Daboll. It doesn't seem that hard to understand at all.

Yes, what I wrote was pure guessing. That was the point of the post.

 

Daboll makes sense, but the reason for not going him that would also make sense is what I wrote. We aren't going to hear comments from Daboll saying he doesn't like Fields now.

 

 

I think given the direction of the NFL and their rules (focused on promoting the passing game and the QB), it doesn't make sense to simply go against hiring a guy like Daboll for a bunch of reasons. The only reason would be if Daboll either didn't like Fields (and there is no proof of that) or he simply wasn't available. All other reasons are pointless overthink, imo

[jersey cubs fan]

 

While in general I understand and agree with what you wrote, so far we haven't heard any disparaging comments from Daboll about Fields (that I've seen anyway) but we have heard/seen reports of Flores and Watson shacking up. As a result, what you wrote is pure guessing, and I tend to think the opposite is more likely to be true: the best bet IS Daboll. It doesn't seem that hard to understand at all.

Yes, what I wrote was pure guessing. That was the point of the post.

 

Daboll makes sense, but the reason for not going him that would also make sense is what I wrote. We aren't going to hear comments from Daboll saying he doesn't like Fields now.

 

 

I think given the direction of the NFL and their rules (focused on promoting the passing game and the QB), it doesn't make sense to simply go against hiring a guy like Daboll for a bunch of reasons. The only reason would be if Daboll either didn't like Fields (and there is no proof of that) or he simply wasn't available. All other reasons are pointless overthink, imo

Yeah, that's what I wrote.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

While in general I understand and agree with what you wrote, so far we haven't heard any disparaging comments from Daboll about Fields (that I've seen anyway) but we have heard/seen reports of Flores and Watson shacking up. As a result, what you wrote is pure guessing, and I tend to think the opposite is more likely to be true: the best bet IS Daboll. It doesn't seem that hard to understand at all.

Yes, what I wrote was pure guessing. That was the point of the post.

 

Daboll makes sense, but the reason for not going him that would also make sense is what I wrote. We aren't going to hear comments from Daboll saying he doesn't like Fields now.

 

 

I think given the direction of the NFL and their rules (focused on promoting the passing game and the QB), it doesn't make sense to simply go against hiring a guy like Daboll for a bunch of reasons. The only reason would be if Daboll either didn't like Fields (and there is no proof of that) or he simply wasn't available. All other reasons are pointless overthink, imo

I think he's shot up to the top of my list, but I am glad they have an extensive search on both sides of the ball this time. It's kind of an "all else equal" thing. O guy is always gonna get that little extra finger on the scale, but at least give yourself a chance for a D guy to impress.

[UMFan83]

 

I still think he's staying at Michigan but given all the smoke out there (mostly for LV), maybe I'm just in denial at this point.

[WrigleyField 22]

Also, his status as the unquestioned leader of an offense scheme give me more comfort. As long as hes relatively engaged on the entire team and can reach into his rolodex for some D coaches, let's go. He's served under enough strong HCs that he should hopefully bring a nice blend of styles.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I still think he's staying at Michigan but given all the smoke out there (mostly for LV), maybe I'm just in denial at this point.

This is such a tease tweet lol. And turning off the comments so he can get retweet.

 

Bait.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I still think he's staying at Michigan but given all the smoke out there (mostly for LV), maybe I'm just in denial at this point.

This is such a tease tweet lol. And turning off the comments so he can get retweet.

 

Bait.

 

nah, its Micheal M putting out feelers to Bear Fans on a Harbaugh hire

[jersey cubs fan]

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I still think he's staying at Michigan but given all the smoke out there (mostly for LV), maybe I'm just in denial at this point.

This is such a tease tweet lol. And turning off the comments so he can get retweet.

 

Bait.

 

nah, its Micheal M putting out feelers to Bear Fans on a Harbaugh hire

Mann, Myers or Moore?

[David]

 

I still think he's staying at Michigan but given all the smoke out there (mostly for LV), maybe I'm just in denial at this point.

This is such a tease tweet lol. And turning off the comments so he can get retweet.

 

Bait.

 

nah, its Micheal M putting out feelers to Bear Fans on a Harbaugh hire

 

who

[minnesotacubsfan]

This is such a tease tweet lol. And turning off the comments so he can get retweet.

 

Bait.

 

nah, its Micheal M putting out feelers to Bear Fans on a Harbaugh hire

 

who

 

I thought we established George was synonymous with Michael and Ed

 

also, I might just be old and confuse them all

[raw]

I fully believe the Bears HC job is the best one in the sport available right now, but the Raiders are right there. And if you're a guy like Harbaugh, no matter how much he loves Chicago and is a Cubs fan, I think the Vegas job is probably the better option. You get warm weather, a fancy new stadium, likely will be able to pick his GM and have significant roster control (Bears have never given this to a HC and said to not like this structure).

 

I'm warming a bit to Harbaugh, but still don't love him. But I keep coming back to Daboll (also not my top choice, but may be the top of who they've interviewed). There's been rumors connecting him to the Bears job before Nagy's seat ever got too warm.

[David]

leave it to minnesota to suggest that dabearsblog guy is michael mccaskey tweeting from beyond the grave

[minnesotacubsfan]

There's been rumors connecting him to the Bears job before Nagy's seat ever got too warm.

 

do you mean Daboll or Harbaugh?

[raw]

There's been rumors connecting him to the Bears job before Nagy's seat ever got too warm.

 

do you mean Daboll or Harbaugh?

 

Daboll. Ben Allbright (Broncos guy) has suggested that Daboll was the favorite to be the next Bears coach since the summer.

[minnesotacubsfan]

leave it to minnesota to suggest that dabearsblog guy is michael mccaskey tweeting from beyond the grave

 

 

nah. I just think Mike and Geo are so much alike in their ineptitude that its hard to separate them. but ghost tweeters are also a fantastic idea