NFL Offseason

[raw]

i didn't realize the nfl player base was like 70% black.

 

 

i thought there were enough fat white linemen to even things out

 

That's literally all there is other than QBs, some LBs, the occasional safety, some slot WRs, and Christian McCaffery.

 

But yeah, NFL coaching is a microcosm of institutionalized racism at work. The hot NFL head coaching candidates are offensive guys. The hot offensive guys are offensive coordinators or QB coaches. QB coaches and OCs are unironically usually former QBs. Because of the stereotype of black QBs not being smart enough as recently as like 5-10 years ago, you naturally don't have a lot of former NFL QBs who are black. Throw in the fact that a lot of black coaches in the NFL are defensive guys and the natural tendency for people to hire people that look like them (whites hire whites, blacks hire blacks, women hire women), and that's how we got to this point.

[NOLA]

 

Rumors now floating that the Redskins name change is about to be official.

[Derwood]

 

Rumors now floating that the Redskins name change is about to be official.

 

 

To what?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Rumors now floating that the Redskins name change is about to be official.

 

 

To what?

Stateless R*edsk!ins

[NOLA]

 

Rumors now floating that the Redskins name change is about to be official.

 

 

To what?

Stateless R*edsk!ins

Another reminder to myself to not read comments on Twitter. The outrage like "WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY" is all over the place.

[David]

 

it's happening

[NOLA]

Looking at some designs for rebranding, I'm kind of digging the Washington Redtails. It honors the Tuskeegee Airmen of WWII and sounds much the same. They can even keep the R throwback helmet they've been wearing.

[Derwood]

BREAKING: In an unprecedented merger with the Cincinnati major league baseball team, the Washington Redskins are changing their name to the Washington Reds Kins

[NOLA]

BREAKING: In an unprecedented merger with the Cincinnati major league baseball team, the Washington Redskins are changing their name to the Washington Reds Kins

[17 Seconds]

BREAKING: In an unprecedented merger with the Cincinnati major league baseball team, the Washington Redskins are changing their name to the Washington Reds Kins

 

[OleMissCub]

Washington Warriors perhaps? I like the Washington RedTails a ton.

 

[Derwood]

Now the Cleveland Indians are discussing a name change. Braves next....maybe the Blackhawks?

[sweetpeteman]

If the Blackhawks change, I'd assume they'd just drop the "Black" and just become the Chicago Hawks and adapt a bird logo. This one was making the rounds a few years ago that was pretty cool:

 

 

[OleMissCub]

Now the Cleveland Indians are discussing a name change. Braves next....maybe the Blackhawks?

 

Changing the Indians and Braves seems silly. Something like 90% of Native Americans aren't even offended by Redskins, so do we think they are offended by Indians and Braves? Granted, despite them not being personally offended by Redskins, it's still a racial slur so it certainly needs to go, but Indians and Braves? Nah.

 

There isn't even a tribe called the Blackhawks to be offended by that name. Black Hawk was the name of a native warlord.

 

Redskins aside, is it really that big of a problem when the people who you are trying to save from being offended aren't even offended in the first place? I get why you want to get rid of the racist smiling Indians logo or want to get rid of having a white dude dress up like an Illini at a football game. But the names themselves seem pretty benign. As long as the associated paraphernalia that comes with those teams isn't distasteful, I really don't see the issue. My wife is a Choctaw Indian and I'm a legal liaison for the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, so while I"m not a NA myself, I do kinda have some insight on the issue.

 

edited: to add the personal connection I have to the issue.

Edited July 4, 2020 by OleMissCub

[Derwood]

Now the Cleveland Indians are discussing a name change. Braves next....maybe the Blackhawks?

 

Changing the Indians and Braves seems silly. Something like 90% of Native Americans aren't even offended by Redskins

 

Citing the poll where they asked 500 Native Americans? Oof

[OleMissCub]

Now the Cleveland Indians are discussing a name change. Braves next....maybe the Blackhawks?

 

Changing the Indians and Braves seems silly. Something like 90% of Native Americans aren't even offended by Redskins

 

Citing the poll where they asked 500 Native Americans? Oof

 

Having a full blooded Native American father in law and being legal counsel for Native Americans actually. But yes, there is an old poll floating around.

[Forgotmyoldlogin]

[WrigleyField 22]

If the Blackhawks change, I'd assume they'd just drop the "Black" and just become the Chicago Hawks and adapt a bird logo. This one was making the rounds a few years ago that was pretty cool:

 

 

Its a cool concept. I wonder if them keeping some of the imagery like that (like the feathers and the face paint by the eye) would not be enough to please those who want to see change.

 

Many many years ago I saw a cool concept on sportslogos.net that was a Blackhawk helicopter concept.

 

I imagine some sort of change womt be too far away for the Hawks. I know they used to have an established relationship with a local Native American advocacy group that kind of deflected some criticism, but sounds like that relationship was terminated and the current director has zero interest in establishing a relationship.

[sweetpeteman]

If the Blackhawks change, I'd assume they'd just drop the "Black" and just become the Chicago Hawks and adapt a bird logo. This one was making the rounds a few years ago that was pretty cool:

 

 

Its a cool concept. I wonder if them keeping some of the imagery like that (like the feathers and the face paint by the eye) would not be enough to please those who want to see change.

 

Many many years ago I saw a cool concept on sportslogos.net that was a Blackhawk helicopter concept.

 

I imagine some sort of change womt be too far away for the Hawks. I know they used to have an established relationship with a local Native American advocacy group that kind of deflected some criticism, but sounds like that relationship was terminated and the current director has zero interest in establishing a relationship.

 

 

I should note that i don't think the Blackhawks are going to make a change, but if they do it'll probably just be a logo change, staying the Blackhawks.

[OleMissCub]

I imagine some sort of change womt be too far away for the Hawks. I know they used to have an established relationship with a local Native American advocacy group that kind of deflected some criticism, but sounds like that relationship was terminated and the current director has zero interest in establishing a relationship.

 

Relationships with the tribes have always been critical and will be even more critical moving forward. Mississippi College are the Choctaws and the school has a very close relationship with the tribe. Tribal members can get full scholarships to attend there. I'm aware that the Seminole Tribe is extremely involved with FSU. What I've always encountered when this topic is brought up to NA's themselves is that they are happy for the recognition it brings them. I'm not sure many Americans would have ever heard of a Seminole if it wasn't for FSU. Sames goes for the Utah Utes. That tribe is very involved as well with the school. Seems to me that if the tribes themselves consent to the name usage then those names will remain fixed to those schools for the foreseeable future.

 

I suspect the Indians and Braves will play along by forming committees to review their names, but I highly doubt they change their names. I do suspect the Braves will probably announce they are terminating the stupid tomahawk chop.

[Derwood]

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04/native-mascots-survey/

[OleMissCub]

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04/native-mascots-survey/

 

For example, they were asked to agree or disagree with statements such as, “I think the term ‘redskin’ is respectful to Native Americans”

 

That’s a hell of a loaded way to ask that question. It was still an even split which is truly shocking given how the question was phrased.

 

Regardless of polling, Redskins is going away as it rightfully should. So given the fact that, according to your poll or the previous Washington Post poll they cite, a majority of Native Americans aren’t even offended by an obvious racial slur like Redskins, do we really think a significant number are offended by Indians or Braves?

[imb]

lol

[OleMissCub]

lol

 

I agree, it’s funny that people think the Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves team names offend anything approaching a majority of Native Americans.

[Derwood]

lol

 

I agree, it’s funny that people think the Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves team names offend anything approaching a majority of Native Americans.

 

No, it’s funny that you continue to defend the use of an ethnic group as a team mascot