Blackhawks 2019-2020 - A New Window

[jersey cubs fan]

they should trade them both and take their chances in the lottery again this year, but they probably won't trade either and will hope to become the hot hand in the playoffs.

[biittner77]

they should trade them both and take their chances in the lottery again this year, but they probably won't trade either and will hope to become the hot hand in the playoffs.

 

If you're Bowman and you're trying to save your job (or at least make it more secure)

[squally1313]

As long as you're still reliant on Kane, Toews, and Keith as top line players, I think you need to take every chance at a playoff bid you can get. I can see a thought process for settling on one of them and seeing what you can get for the other, even if it's little more than a coin flip, because you'd only need one of them for whatever playoff run you make.

[biittner77]

As long as you're still reliant on Kane, Toews, and Keith as top line players, I think you need to take every chance at a playoff bid you can get. I can see a thought process for settling on one of them and seeing what you can get for the other, even if it's little more than a coin flip, because you'd only need one of them for whatever playoff run you make.

 

That makes sense. They can likely get more for Lehner because he's youngerbut they'd be taking their chances on Crawford's health or that Lankinen is ready to step into an NHL role. Though Crawford might look more attractive to a playoff team as mostly a rental. A team like that would likely want to give up more draft picks than NHL players so that would be a good way to hedge their bets. But if they traded Crawford now they better extend Lehner the same day since he's likely the best available FA goalie.

[squally1313]

As long as you're still reliant on Kane, Toews, and Keith as top line players, I think you need to take every chance at a playoff bid you can get. I can see a thought process for settling on one of them and seeing what you can get for the other, even if it's little more than a coin flip, because you'd only need one of them for whatever playoff run you make.

 

That makes sense. They can likely get more for Lehner because he's youngerbut they'd be taking their chances on Crawford's health or that Lankinen is ready to step into an NHL role. Though Crawford might look more attractive to a playoff team as mostly a rental. A team like that would likely want to give up more draft picks than NHL players so that would be a good way to hedge their bets. But if they traded Crawford now they better extend Lehner the same day since he's likely the best available FA goalie.

 

Yeah I don't know enough about evaluating the two of them, and can make arguments for both in the short term. Agreed that Lehner is the only one you'd really want to extend, though I'm not sure what he'd get on the market after having the year he had last year and having to settle for a one year deal again. Could also just keep Crawford around on a 1-2 year deal. Would probably depend on the offers for both of them too. But if you can pick up a top 4ish defenseman, well then....you'd only be like 3 D-men short of actually being a good team. But hockey playoffs are crazy, and we've wasted enough of Toews and Kane's years.

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sell sell sell

 

debrincat and strome have taken big steps back and every offseason move was a whiff. we'd be in top 3 pick territory without lehner and crawford

[Tim]

sell sell sell

 

debrincat and strome have taken big steps back and every offseason move was a whiff. we'd be in top 3 pick territory without lehner and crawford

So...at least one offseason move was a hit.

 

But yeah, sell.

[biittner77]

sell sell sell

 

debrincat and strome have taken big steps back and every offseason move was a whiff. we'd be in top 3 pick territory without lehner and crawford

 

Maata and Carpenter have been ok. Smith is terrible. DeHaan was good until he got hurt. Lehner has been great.

 

Agreed that Lehner is the only one you'd really want to extend, though I'm not sure what he'd get on the market after having the year he had last year and having to settle for a one year deal again.

 

He's the best FA goalie available. This year he proved that last year wasn't a fluke. He's not going to get more than $7 million but that's a little uncomfortable territory for the Hawks. Lehner at $7 million plus Delia (or whomever) at less than $1 million is less than what they paid the goalie tandem this year but they already gave that $4 million they will save to DeBrincat.

[jersey cubs fan]

sell sell sell

 

debrincat and strome have taken big steps back and every offseason move was a whiff. we'd be in top 3 pick territory without lehner and crawford

 

Maata and Carpenter have been ok. Smith is terrible. DeHaan was good until he got hurt. Lehner has been great.

 

De Haan was rehabbing an injury at the time of the trade and is now reinjured. If you take a guy who is basically only available because of his injury risk and he gets injured right away, that's a whiff no matter how well he played in the month he was active.

[biittner77]

sell sell sell

 

debrincat and strome have taken big steps back and every offseason move was a whiff. we'd be in top 3 pick territory without lehner and crawford

 

Maata and Carpenter have been ok. Smith is terrible. DeHaan was good until he got hurt. Lehner has been great.

 

De Haan was rehabbing an injury at the time of the trade and is now reinjured. If you take a guy who is basically only available because of his injury risk and he gets injured right away, that's a whiff no matter how well he played in the month he was active.

 

Fair enough. I suppose you have to add bringing Shaw back into the whiff category too. It's the move they didn't make, trading Gustafson, that was probably the worst thing that happened this past off season.

[Tim]

Nylander has been okay and is still just 21. However, the cost was way too high.

 

The Maata trade was and is horrible. While we needed the defensive depth, there's no doubt that Kahun is easily the more valuable player.

 

Just eliminate the Nylander and Maata trades and we're in a much better spot. Kahun/Joker would be much better for this roster than Nylander/Maata.

 

Carpenter and Smith were both acquired to address the penalty kill, right? They've been pretty successful in that role. But the limitations they bring to the 4th line have been bad.

 

As goony says, when you acquire a pre-injured player, it's no surprise when he gets injured again. DeHaan was probably worth the risk at the cost we paid. Bringing back Shaw was just Stan being Stan. That one was a whiff.

 

Lehner has probably been the single most important player in giving them a shot at the playoffs this year.

 

Does Kubalik count as an offseason move? If so, that was a great addition. Drafting Dach looks pretty good right now.

 

On balance, it was a decent offseason for Stan. But he needed a great one.

[Tim]

 

Maata and Carpenter have been ok. Smith is terrible. DeHaan was good until he got hurt. Lehner has been great.

 

De Haan was rehabbing an injury at the time of the trade and is now reinjured. If you take a guy who is basically only available because of his injury risk and he gets injured right away, that's a whiff no matter how well he played in the month he was active.

 

Fair enough. I suppose you have to add bringing Shaw back into the whiff category too. It's the move they didn't make, trading Gustafson, that was probably the worst thing that happened this past off season.

Yeah, his offseason would have been so much better if he doesn't do the trades he made, but does trade Gustafson.

[biittner77]

If the Hawks do become sellers, teams are likely to ask about Maata. Whatever they got for him will have to be added to evaluating that trade. That being said, having Joker + Kahun >>>>> Nylander + Maata.

[squally1313]

If the Hawks do become sellers, teams are likely to ask about Maata. Whatever they got for him will have to be added to evaluating that trade. That being said, having Joker + Kahun >>>>> Nylander + Maata.

Why would teams ask about Maatta?

[biittner77]

If the Hawks do become sellers, teams are likely to ask about Maata. Whatever they got for him will have to be added to evaluating that trade. That being said, having Joker + Kahun >>>>> Nylander + Maata.

Why would teams ask about Maatta?

 

It's like left handed relievers in baseball, teams are always looking for blue line depth down the stretch. Even if it isn't all that great.

[biittner77]

Gustafson to Flames for conditional draft pick(s). Not really sure which yet. Too bad we didn't trade him last summer when he would have brought in a better return. Now they need to put Boqvist on the #1 PP unit and tell him to shoot the puck every time he sees an opening which should be a lot in the beginning since they don't even cover him on the PP since he always defers to a veteran teammate.

[UMFan83]

 

Knew this was coming but sucks. Interested to see what Hawks do at goaltender next year with Crawford coming off the books.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lehner gets a 2nd rounder.

 

What a waste of the past couple years. Bowman is pretty terrible.

[jersey cubs fan]

Knew this was coming but sucks. Interested to see what Hawks do at goaltender next year with Crawford coming off the books.

Knowing Stan, he'll probably resign Crawford and trade for an injured defenseman and just put us all through the 4th wasted season in a row.

[squally1313]

Knew this was coming but sucks. Interested to see what Hawks do at goaltender next year with Crawford coming off the books.

Knowing Stan, he'll probably resign Crawford and trade for an injured defenseman and just put us all through the 4th wasted season in a row.

Setting aside the 'injured defensemen' part, I don't know if there's a better option for goalie going into next year. We basically got Lehner, after an incredible season, at the end of free agency for not all that much money. Don't know how much better we can do than Crawford, who is having another really good year.

[jersey cubs fan]

Knew this was coming but sucks. Interested to see what Hawks do at goaltender next year with Crawford coming off the books.

Knowing Stan, he'll probably resign Crawford and trade for an injured defenseman and just put us all through the 4th wasted season in a row.

Setting aside the 'injured defensemen' part, I don't know if there's a better option for goalie going into next year. We basically got Lehner, after an incredible season, at the end of free agency for not all that much money. Don't know how much better we can do than Crawford, who is having another really good year.

I don't know if there is a better option, but I do know that just coming back with the same crowd and getting nothing in trades is wasting years of hockey.

[squally1313]

Knowing Stan, he'll probably resign Crawford and trade for an injured defenseman and just put us all through the 4th wasted season in a row.

Setting aside the 'injured defensemen' part, I don't know if there's a better option for goalie going into next year. We basically got Lehner, after an incredible season, at the end of free agency for not all that much money. Don't know how much better we can do than Crawford, who is having another really good year.

I don't know if there is a better option, but I do know that just coming back with the same crowd and getting nothing in trades is wasting years of hockey.

 

Yeah, ideally you strip it down today, see what you can get for Crawford, and then bring him back over the summer with hopefully a better draft pick after you give up 7 goals a game the rest of the way. Going into 2020, I don't think Crawford will be the reason the team most likely doesn't go anywhere. Need to figure out how to put a defense together that won't give up 45 shots a game.

[jersey cubs fan]

[UMFan83]

 

Fire Bowman now.....to the sun

[squally1313]

This is probably insensitive, especially given Lehner's past issues, but I don't understand why you can't just revisit that conversation in a few months. If he wants to be here long term, he's a free agent after this year. Go help out a playoff team and enjoy that run and then figure something out.