Bears offseason

[UMFan83]

I am absolutely all for drafting a QB in the first round if there is one that they like. I am not in favor of drafting a QB in the 1st round just because we need a QB. There is really only 1 top end QB I like in this draft and its Trubisky. I believe that he will be drafted 1 or 2 and if that's the case then I hope the Bears draft Jonathan Allen. If you aren't going to have a star QB, I think the next best thing is having an elite front 7 and I think the Bears have a shot at that.

 

Hicks, Goldman, Allen, Freeman, McPhee, Young, Trevathan with Floyd, Houston, Sutton and Ferguson rotating in sounds great to me. I'm probably missing some guys

[jersey cubs fan]

But if they draft a QB and play him for more than couple games then I wouldn't barbeque them for missing the playoffs.

And I've said nothing of barbecuing them for missing the playoffs. Improvement is what they need and what should be expected. There is no reason this team can't be in the wild card hunt, rookie QB or no. They should be able to put out a winning team next year. If they do well on paper this offseason but still lose 10 games next year, then they probably didn't actually do well this offseason.

[Thrilho]

But if they draft a QB and play him for more than couple games then I wouldn't barbeque them for missing the playoffs.

And I've said nothing of barbecuing them for missing the playoffs. Improvement is what they need and what should be expected. There is no reason this team can't be in the wild card hunt, rookie QB or no. They should be able to put out a winning team next year. If they do well on paper this offseason but still lose 10 games next year, then they probably didn't actually do well this offseason.

This is all fine. I'm good with expecting to be in the playoff hunt next year. I think they've got the talent base to do it, a ton of cap space, and drafting at the top of every round. So yes, they should be able to be decent next year.

 

My main thing is that next year shouldn't be the ultimate goal. The goal is putting together a consistent winner and winning a super bowl. Stack talent through the draft, then you'll be able to resign them and it does become a little more like baseball. I'm not trying to give a pass if they're not good next year, but my main measuring stick will be how good the young core is and how well they execute on this QB situation.

 

And I don't really mean to make this into a discussion of how good Pace is (particularly if you're ok with how he's done so far) and more about what I expect out of the QB/#3 pick decision. If they think there's a good QB there but he won't contribute much in 2017 I'd rather they take that than take defense in an attempt to be good for 2017.

[jersey cubs fan]

[Thrilho]

Take a look at Josh Allen. There's tape of all his plays from the Boise State, San Diego, an New Mexico games. Or Lombardi just did a tape review on him last night that's pretty good. You'll definitely come away impressed with tools, it's just whether his decision making and intangibles is up to par.

 

I'm not an evaluator, so I can't say he's worth of the number 3 pick. But his tools are top notch, and there's a lot of time for combine/pro day/industry analysis that would put him in the mix for top 5 pick. He's likely a red shirt guy, but could eventually develop into a top QB in the NFL.

 

I love Jonathan Allen (have watch a lot of stuff on him) and could even see Hooker as an option (although I'd still currently take Allen over him). But a lot of what I've written so far is basically a question of if Josh Allen is deemed roughly worthy of the 3 pick. He provides nothing in the short term, they're likely be some growing pains, and you'd be passing on elite talent in Jonathan Allen. If they think Allen has a high likelihood of eventually being above average QB with potential for more then I'd probably roll the dice.

[Thrilho]

Also, for those who aren't familiar, Josh Allen comes from a pro-style offense and has the same coach as Wentz did last year. He wasn't supposed to come out , but he was mocked to the Bears a couple days ago by Matt Miller, so he may be thinking about it. O-line not good, receivers not good, but rocket arm. Throwing on the run his tools are Cutler level, but like Cutler he's still way too confident in his ability to make plays down the field and his default seems to be to try and create time for the downfield pass.

 

The big benefit would be to get to him before he lets all these Cutler-esque habits get too ingrained. Maybe show him tape after tape of Cutler making the wrong decision.

[UMFan83]

Also, for those who aren't familiar, Josh Allen comes from a pro-style offense and has the same coach as Wentz did last year. He wasn't supposed to come out , but he was mocked to the Bears a couple days ago by Matt Miller, so he may be thinking about it. O-line not good, receivers not good, but rocket arm. Throwing on the run his tools are Cutler level, but like Cutler he's still way too confident in his ability to make plays down the field and his default seems to be to try and create time for the downfield pass.

 

The big benefit would be to get to him before he lets all these Cutler-esque habits get too ingrained. Maybe show him tape after tape of Cutler making the wrong decision.

 

The question is, do you trust that the Bears have the coaching necessary to take on a talented QB but one that might need some development to reach potential? I'm looking at our QBs coach (Dave Ragone) and his claim to fame as it pertains to QBs is coaching Josh McCown in the United Football League in 2010. Going higher up the chain, it looks like the QBs Loggains has worked with in his career include Cutler in 2015 (largely credited to Gase), Brian Hoyer (w Chicago and Cleveland) Johnny Manziel, Jake Locker, Kerry Collins (late career Titans version), Vince Young, Matt Hasselback (late career Titans version).

 

I dunno I'm not sure I trust this coaching staff to develop a QB properly.

[JonJayCutler]

For Jay's sake I certainly hope he's not on the team if the Bears go Trubisky. He's run off the field by fans as it is, I can't imagine what it'd be like with the #3 overall pick sitting behind him.

 

I don't hate the idea of another year of Cutler, but I'm past done with the whole meatball shtick. Time for a fresh start for both parties. I feel like there are a handful of teams that aren't disasters that could be potential fits (Arizona, Denver, Houston, Miami, Buffalo). Even the Jets would be awesome for nostalgic reasons. Love the guy, but he needs to take this opportunity to try and succeed somewhere else.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Is it a tattoo of Antoni Gaudi or the Basilica he created in Barcelona?

 

 

Gaudi died in the street, run over by a streetcar and penniless. And he created a lot more then some old junky 1/2 finished shrine to a cult that wanted nothing to do with him

Edited January 5, 2017 by minnesotacubsfan

[jersey cubs fan]

Is it a tattoo of Antoni Gaudi or the Basilica he created in Barcelona?

 

 

Gaudy died in the street, run over by a streetcar and penniless. And he created a lot more then some old junky 1/2 finished shrine to a cult that wanted nothing to do with him

fit that one on your chest glory boy

[minnesotacubsfan]

Is it a tattoo of Antoni Gaudi or the Basilica he created in Barcelona?

 

 

Gaudy died in the street, run over by a streetcar and penniless. And he created a lot more then some old junky 1/2 finished shrine to a cult that wanted nothing to do with him

fit that one on your chest glory boy

 

 

"Goldy Boy" to you chuuuuump

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

 

 

Gaudy died in the street, run over by a streetcar and penniless. And he created a lot more then some old junky 1/2 finished shrine to a cult that wanted nothing to do with him

fit that one on your chest glory boy

 

 

"Goldy Boy" to you chuuuuump

 

[emoji12]

I was talking to aj mccarron

[minnesotacubsfan]

Regardless. I think I'll change my name to Goldy Boy

 

 

I like it more by the minute

[Guest]

The people talking about coaching change as it pertains to our QB situation, don't you think a firing puts all bets off?

 

The rebuilding starts again with a new coaching staff and players to fit the new systems.

 

I don't think it will be an issue, since the Bears go into 2017 with strong offensive and defensive lines, the chance to grab a legit QB in several ways, with a draft and free agent group deep in secondary talent.

[jersey cubs fan]

The people talking about coaching change as it pertains to our QB situation, don't you think a firing puts all bets off?

 

The rebuilding starts again with a new coaching staff and players to fit the new systems.

 

I don't think it will be an issue, since the Bears go into 2017 with strong offensive and defensive lines, the chance to grab a legit QB in several ways, with a draft and free agent group deep in secondary talent.

are you just cutting and pasting the pollyanna predictions from last offseason?

[davell]

While I don't really have an issue with Pace, he HAS had plenty of time at this point. The team needs to show solid improvement this upcoming season. Not necessarily playoffs, but we need to look like we can get there.

 

I'm saying this, because his seat is a bit warm now. A bad season and he could be cast aside. So, I seriously doubt he's looking at using the 3rd pick, on anything less than impact immediately. That crosses off these QB's. And I don't see great options in FA either. Taylor+ a few other adds in FA and an impact guy at 3, with another contributor or two thru the draft.....Maybe you move into playoff contention.....But, if Taylor isn't even available, I don't see the QB out there that's going to help us in 2017. Because I don't think Romo stays remotely healthy.

[WrigleyField 22]

While I don't really have an issue with Pace, he HAS had plenty of time at this point. The team needs to show solid improvement this upcoming season. Not necessarily playoffs, but we need to look like we can get there.

 

I'm saying this, because his seat is a bit warm now. A bad season and he could be cast aside. So, I seriously doubt he's looking at using the 3rd pick, on anything less than impact immediately. That crosses off these QB's. And I don't see great options in FA either. Taylor+ a few other adds in FA and an impact guy at 3, with another contributor or two thru the draft.....Maybe you move into playoff contention.....But, if Taylor isn't even available, I don't see the QB out there that's going to help us in 2017. Because I don't think Romo stays remotely healthy.

And that would all be really short sided if you thought there was a potential franchise QB who just wasnt going to produce enough in year 1 to cool the hot seat.

[davell]

While I don't really have an issue with Pace, he HAS had plenty of time at this point. The team needs to show solid improvement this upcoming season. Not necessarily playoffs, but we need to look like we can get there.

 

I'm saying this, because his seat is a bit warm now. A bad season and he could be cast aside. So, I seriously doubt he's looking at using the 3rd pick, on anything less than impact immediately. That crosses off these QB's. And I don't see great options in FA either. Taylor+ a few other adds in FA and an impact guy at 3, with another contributor or two thru the draft.....Maybe you move into playoff contention.....But, if Taylor isn't even available, I don't see the QB out there that's going to help us in 2017. Because I don't think Romo stays remotely healthy.

And that would all be really short sided if you thought there was a potential franchise QB who just wasnt going to produce enough in year 1 to cool the hot seat.

 

Won't argue that. But if your job is on the line, you're going to do what it takes to keep it. Especially in a scenario where you can reason it out by saying next years crop of QB's obliterates this years.

[Guest]

The people talking about coaching change as it pertains to our QB situation, don't you think a firing puts all bets off?

 

The rebuilding starts again with a new coaching staff and players to fit the new systems.

 

I don't think it will be an issue, since the Bears go into 2017 with strong offensive and defensive lines, the chance to grab a legit QB in several ways, with a draft and free agent group deep in secondary talent.

are you just cutting and pasting the pollyanna predictions from last offseason?

 

You're still mad your ignorant assertion that the Bears have a crappy oline was destroyed.

[jersey cubs fan]

The people talking about coaching change as it pertains to our QB situation, don't you think a firing puts all bets off?

 

The rebuilding starts again with a new coaching staff and players to fit the new systems.

 

I don't think it will be an issue, since the Bears go into 2017 with strong offensive and defensive lines, the chance to grab a legit QB in several ways, with a draft and free agent group deep in secondary talent.

are you just cutting and pasting the pollyanna predictions from last offseason?

 

You're still mad your ignorant assertion that the Bears have a crappy oline was destroyed.

 

Not exactly.

[Thrilho]

While I don't really have an issue with Pace, he HAS had plenty of time at this point. The team needs to show solid improvement this upcoming season. Not necessarily playoffs, but we need to look like we can get there.

 

I'm saying this, because his seat is a bit warm now. A bad season and he could be cast aside. So, I seriously doubt he's looking at using the 3rd pick, on anything less than impact immediately. That crosses off these QB's. And I don't see great options in FA either. Taylor+ a few other adds in FA and an impact guy at 3, with another contributor or two thru the draft.....Maybe you move into playoff contention.....But, if Taylor isn't even available, I don't see the QB out there that's going to help us in 2017. Because I don't think Romo stays remotely healthy.

And that would all be really short sided if you thought there was a potential franchise QB who just wasnt going to produce enough in year 1 to cool the hot seat.

 

Won't argue that. But if your job is on the line, you're going to do what it takes to keep it. Especially in a scenario where you can reason it out by saying next years crop of QB's obliterates this years.

But if you think you're close to being a playoff team and get a guy for QB who can win you a bunch of games what's it matter how many QBs are at the top of the draft in 2018? Just my opinion, but Jackson looks like he's got a really inaccurate arm and he's pretty skinny to be running around. And I haven't looked at him a lot but I've seen a lot of people saying Browning doesn't have the arm for the NFL.

 

Maybe the guys next year are great, but they haven't but put up to the scrutiny of how well they'll translate to the NFL. Right now, the only guys I've seen as consensus top picks without big warts are Rosen and Darnold. Maybe Josh Allen will be in there if he doesn't declare this year, maybe Falk will jump, maybe some other guys have good years.

 

I won't pretend to be an expert on next year's QB class, but if there really are some great guys I'd anticipate them going top 5-10. I think the Bears will be drafting in the back half of round 1 if they don't draft and start a rookie (and if no huge injury wave hits). So thI n you're back to Raw's scenario of having to take the 3-5th QB on the board at the Bears pick. Maybe the 2018 QB class is so much better than the 2017 class that the 3-5th guy next year is as good as the 1-2 guy this year but that doesn't seem likely.

 

And I probably covered this in my thousand posts yesterday, but I'm hoping Pace isn't forced to make this pick based on how hot his seat is. This ownership group hasn't been the best at identifying GM talent in the past, so I have little confidence they'd find an upgrade. As such, if hope Pace can just build his team the way that makes the most sense long term.

[Guest]

Pace has done a really great job acquiring pieces both through the draft and in free agency in the last year.

 

He drafted Floyd, Whitehair, Bullard, Kwiatkowski and Howard just last year. Signed Trevathan, Freeman, Sitton, and Hicks, brought in Hoyer as a backup.

 

I see major developmental improvements from guys like Cam Meredith. The results in the form of victories hasnt been there, but it's obvious that they aren't far away.

[jersey cubs fan]

Pace has done a really great job acquiring pieces both through the draft and in free agency in the last year.

 

He drafted Floyd, Whitehair, Bullard, Kwiatkowski and Howard just last year. Signed Trevathan, Freeman, Sitton, and Hicks, brought in Hoyer as a backup.

 

I see major developmental improvements from guys like Cam Meredith. The results in the form of victories hasnt been there, but it's obvious that they aren't far away.

He's done a good job adding pieces, but he's done a poor job with the coaching hire and has not done a good job acquiring impact players. There are a lot of quality football players on bad NFL teams, which is why the worst teams in the league can regularly trouble and even beat the good teams. But it takes a lot more than good pieces to build a winner.

[davell]

Does anyone have our PFF grades?

[jersey cubs fan]

Does anyone have our PFF grades?

 

 

Pass - defense

Fail - offense

Fail - special teams