Jason Hammel

[Aleudar]

I think it's time to get rid of Jason Hamel. He is unpredictable. He can be pitching a very good game but then he gives up homeruns--usually with people on base because he walked them!

He's 34 years old and he's been getting worse not better. He has a terrible attitude and he's bringing the team down with him.

[Sammy Sofa]

he's bringing the team down with him.

 

Uh....how?

[jersey cubs fan]

I think it's time to get rid of Jason Hamel. He is unpredictable. He can be pitching a very good game but then he gives up homeruns--usually with people on base because he walked them!

He's 34 years old and he's been getting worse not better. He has a terrible attitude and he's bringing the team down with him.

I think Jason Hammel does a tremendous job with what the Cubs need him to be, which is a 5th starter who pitches like a well above average starter. He gives you quality innings and most of the time a great chance to win the game. No need to start him in the playoffs and no need to get rid of him before next year, when rotation depth will remain an issue.

 

 

Also it is kind of ridiculous to claim anybody is bringing this team down. They are awesome.

[Clem Fandango]

2nd half Hammel has shown it's ugly mug in 4 of his 11 post ASB starts.

 

In those 4 starts his ERA is 12.11.

 

In those other 7 starts his ERA is 1.02

 

2nd Half Hammel has been showing up more often as of late, though, as those 4 starts have happened in his last 5 outings. If it continues, it sucks but ultimately it's fine because we're about to clinch and his failure does not really matter anymore, and at this point even if he finished out the year on a strong note, I don't expect Hammel to be a post season starter so he won't hurt us when it counts. As soon as the Cubs clinch, Hammel's failure only hurts his own future, and we really shouldn't be too concerned about how it affects the Cubs in the postseason.

[Brian]

Basically every game is a garbage game from here until the postseason so he can do no harm except to the run differential.

 

Next year barring a trade/injury he'd be the #5, where Montgomery should be ready to take his spot if need be.

[BigSlick]

The randos are flooding onto the boards and its only going to get worse as the playoffs near

[Omar]

more like Jason HamLOL m i rite guys?

[CubInOK]

We should trade him again. Maybe we package him with a better player and get another Addison Russell.

[David]

I think it's time to get rid of Jason Hamel. He is unpredictable. He can be pitching a very good game but then he gives up homeruns--usually with people on base because he walked them!

He's 34 years old and he's been getting worse not better. He has a terrible attitude and he's bringing the team down with him.

I think Jason Hammel does a tremendous job with what the Cubs need him to be, which is a 5th starter who pitches like a well above average starter. He gives you quality innings and most of the time a great chance to win the game. No need to start him in the playoffs and no need to get rid of him before next year, when rotation depth will remain an issue.

 

 

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[David]

The randos are flooding onto the boards and its only going to get worse as the playoffs near

 

bring on all the weirdo randos

 

we need it

[jersey cubs fan]

I think it's time to get rid of Jason Hamel. He is unpredictable. He can be pitching a very good game but then he gives up homeruns--usually with people on base because he walked them!

He's 34 years old and he's been getting worse not better. He has a terrible attitude and he's bringing the team down with him.

I think Jason Hammel does a tremendous job with what the Cubs need him to be, which is a 5th starter who pitches like a well above average starter. He gives you quality innings and most of the time a great chance to win the game. No need to start him in the playoffs and no need to get rid of him before next year, when rotation depth will remain an issue.

 

 

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Yes, an above average starting pitcher. I realize my stance on this isn't clean, but Hammel is fine.

[David]

I think Jason Hammel does a tremendous job with what the Cubs need him to be, which is a 5th starter who pitches like a well above average starter. He gives you quality innings and most of the time a great chance to win the game. No need to start him in the playoffs and no need to get rid of him before next year, when rotation depth will remain an issue.

 

 

viewtopic.php?p=1953#p1953

 

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Yes, an above average starting pitcher. I realize my stance on this isn't clean, but Hammel is fine.

 

I don't disagree with what you said (this time). Just struck me as funny and I remembered that exchange.

[Omar]

I propose that any mention of Hammel on this website gets automatically corrected to HamLOL

 

Because thats what Hammel is right now. A horsefeathering joke.

 

Also, lets dispel the notion that the 5th starter shouldn't be held to the same strict scrutiny as we hold 1-4.

[Banedon]

Also, lets dispel the notion that the 5th starter shouldn't be held to the same strict scrutiny as we hold 1-4.

 

If you hold your 5th starter to the same standards you hold your #1 starter, you're gonna have a bad time.

[David]

Also, lets dispel the notion that the 5th starter shouldn't be held to the same strict scrutiny as we hold 1-4.

 

If you hold your 5th starter to the same standards you hold your #1 starter, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

Which is basically what goony said in the link I posted (that they should all be held to the same standard).

[jersey cubs fan]

Also, lets dispel the notion that the 5th starter shouldn't be held to the same strict scrutiny as we hold 1-4.

 

If you hold your 5th starter to the same standards you hold your #1 starter, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

Which is basically what goony said in the link I posted (that they should all be held to the same standard).

 

as they should

 

you rate them all as starting pitchers and hammel has been fine. He hasn't been dragging the team down with him. He's been better than essentially half the starting staffs in baseball. He would probably be good enough to make any pitching staff. If the Cubs could find 5 guys better than him I'd hardly miss him but they haven't and probably won't anytime soon.

 

I'm not sure why this is so complicated. Rating him against only other #5 starters would be dumb.

[Banedon]

 

If you hold your 5th starter to the same standards you hold your #1 starter, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

Which is basically what goony said in the link I posted (that they should all be held to the same standard).

 

as they should

 

you rate them all as starting pitchers and hammel has been fine. He hasn't been dragging the team down with him. He's been better than essentially half the starting staffs in baseball. He would probably be good enough to make any pitching staff. If the Cubs could find 5 guys better than him I'd hardly miss him but they haven't and probably won't anytime soon.

 

I'm not sure why this is so complicated. Rating him against only other #5 starters would be dumb.

 

Well I agree that he's been fine...other than his recent struggles, he's had a solid, if unremarkable season.

 

But there's no way that you can hold him to the same standards that you hold guys like Arrieta or Lester. Everybody and their brother has done a deep dive on "what's wrong with Arrieta" this season because he's not threatening to throw no-hitter's every single time out. When Hammel takes the mound, so long as we're in the game, that's really all we expect out of him.

 

It's not so much that we hold Hammel to a lower expectation because he's a 5th starter...I expect that he'll be a competent starter. It's that we hold other pitchers to higher standards when they're considered a top of the rotation guy....a claim no one will make about Hammel.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well I agree that he's been fine...other than his recent struggles, he's had a solid, if unremarkable season.

 

But there's no way that you can hold him to the same standards that you hold guys like Arrieta or Lester. Everybody and their brother has done a deep dive on "what's wrong with Arrieta" this season because he's not threatening to throw no-hitter's every single time out. When Hammel takes the mound, so long as we're in the game, that's really all we expect out of him.

 

It's not so much that we hold Hammel to a lower expectation because he's a 5th starter...I expect that he'll be a competent starter. It's that we hold other pitchers to higher standards when they're considered a top of the rotation guy....a claim no one will make about Hammel.

 

what the horsefeathers does hold to a higher standard even mean? you judge the player by his ability vs all the rest of the league. Starting pitchers are judged against all other starting pitchers. You don't regard Hammel as high as Arrieta and you don't worry much about him since he's not going to be on the playoff roster anyway, but they are both starting pitchers and you judge them as such.

[Banedon]

Well I agree that he's been fine...other than his recent struggles, he's had a solid, if unremarkable season.

 

But there's no way that you can hold him to the same standards that you hold guys like Arrieta or Lester. Everybody and their brother has done a deep dive on "what's wrong with Arrieta" this season because he's not threatening to throw no-hitter's every single time out. When Hammel takes the mound, so long as we're in the game, that's really all we expect out of him.

 

It's not so much that we hold Hammel to a lower expectation because he's a 5th starter...I expect that he'll be a competent starter. It's that we hold other pitchers to higher standards when they're considered a top of the rotation guy....a claim no one will make about Hammel.

 

what the horsefeathers does hold to a higher standard even mean? you judge the player by his ability vs all the rest of the league. Starting pitchers are judged against all other starting pitchers. You don't regard Hammel as high as Arrieta and you don't worry much about him since he's not going to be on the playoff roster anyway, but they are both starting pitchers and you judge them as such.

 

I mean exactly what you just said. I don't regard Hammel as high as Arrieta. I have higher expectations of Arrieta than I do Hammel. Pretty simple. If Arrieta and Hammel both had a league average ERA, I'd be much, MUCH more concerned with Arrieta. Because I expect more out of him.

 

I think we're just bickering about word usage here.

[Omar]

Unrelated question.

 

If you have five children, do you set lower expectations for the least successful one?

 

Serious parenting question. Let me know your thoughts, moms and dads.

[David]

Unrelated question.

 

If you have five children, do you set lower expectations for the least successful one?

 

Serious parenting question. Let me know your thoughts, moms and dads.

 

lol this is a terrible analogy

[Omar]

Growing up my parents set lower expectations for me. It felt awful.

 

Made life easier tho.

[Banedon]

Unrelated question.

 

If you have five children, do you set lower expectations for the least successful one?

 

Serious parenting question. Let me know your thoughts, moms and dads.

 

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