7/19 Cubs (Wood) @ DBacks (Miley) 7:10 WGN

[Sammy Sofa]

This second half...

 

[Little Slide Rooter]

I GUESS the Travis Wood move was still a good one? Does it count if his value occurred in the no-man's land of the last several years?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5905&position=P

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/reds-extend-sean-marshall.html

 

Oh, I'm not saying it shouldn't have happened; just that it's ultimately a non-move in the grand scheme of things if he turns out he only really produced when the Cubs were a black hole of suck.

 

So...yay?

 

Sean Marshall would have been gone after 2012. 2012 was to be a lost season. Whether or not we knew it at the time, the folks in charge did. We cashed him in for a young starting pitcher with several years under team control, a high ceiling low level prospect, and another guy who seemed like he could have been of some use at the time.

[Guest]

oh lord now we're calling ronald torreyes high ceiling too

[Guest]

although i guess when compared to 26 year old nobodies in the dominican league

[Sammy Sofa]

I GUESS the Travis Wood move was still a good one? Does it count if his value occurred in the no-man's land of the last several years?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5905&position=P

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/reds-extend-sean-marshall.html

 

Oh, I'm not saying it shouldn't have happened; just that it's ultimately a non-move in the grand scheme of things if he turns out he only really produced when the Cubs were a black hole of suck.

 

So...yay?

 

Sean Marshall would have been gone after 2012. 2012 was to be a lost season. Whether or not we knew it at the time, the folks in charge did. We cashed him in for a young starting pitcher with several years under team control, a high ceiling low level prospect, and another guy who seemed like he could have been of some use at the time.

 

It's a "tree falling in the forest making a sound" conundrum, not "should they have moved Sean Marshall at the time." Wood could just suck, the other two lumps of meat are gone...it might as well have never happened.

[Sammy Sofa]

Though if there are teams desperate enough for Jackson, there's always people looking for a meth dealer-looking southpaw.

[Gilby]

He's not THIS bad, but Wood shouldn't be guaranteed a spot next season. He's just not that good.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

hopefully he'll be traded along with his buddy jaxon

[d_money]

Though if there are teams desperate enough for Jackson, there's always people looking for a meth dealer-looking southpaw.

Wada does not deal meth!

[Little Slide Rooter]

Well that was a disaster. But it's over.

[Omar]

#LoseTodayToWinTomorrow

[Little Slide Rooter]

I GUESS the Travis Wood move was still a good one? Does it count if his value occurred in the no-man's land of the last several years?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5905&position=P

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/reds-extend-sean-marshall.html

 

Oh, I'm not saying it shouldn't have happened; just that it's ultimately a non-move in the grand scheme of things if he turns out he only really produced when the Cubs were a black hole of suck.

 

So...yay?

 

Sean Marshall would have been gone after 2012. 2012 was to be a lost season. Whether or not we knew it at the time, the folks in charge did. We cashed him in for a young starting pitcher with several years under team control, a high ceiling low level prospect, and another guy who seemed like he could have been of some use at the time.

 

It's a "tree falling in the forest making a sound" conundrum, not "should they have moved Sean Marshall at the time." Wood could just suck, the other two lumps of meat are gone...it might as well have never happened.

 

And if Arodys Vizcaino ends up a bust, then that trade may as well have never happened. If Kyle Hendricks and Neil Ramirez fizzle and Olt doesn't figure things out, all of which are very possible, then the same will be said about the Garza trade in a few years. It's not so much a tree falling in the forest as it is a hindsight is 20/20.

 

Think about all of those trades that the Pirates made between 2000-2010.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If we don't win a World Series then every player's career is moot. And if we do, all the other years are moot.

[DiamondMind]

boooooooooooooooo

[Guest]

Travis Jaxon at it again today.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we don't win a World Series then every player's career is moot. And if we do, all the other years are moot.

 

Not the same thing. His point is that if we're awful throughout the duration of Wood's only useful seasons came when we were going to be bad anyway, then the trade was meaningless.

 

But at the time, the goal was to stock up on young talent by any means necessary. And this trade was a prime example of that. It was essentially a classic July sellers trade that happened to be made in December. It could have ended up somewhere between a non-factor and a huge win, but certainly not a loss. If there is any regret by the time Wood's time is up, it would be that we didn't sell high last summer, but again, hindsight.

 

Virtually every trade that Theo has made has been to cash in guys who do not factor into his ultimate plan for the best possible return of guys who potentially could. Even Zambrano for Volstad fit the profile. The only ones that don't quite fit that profile were Cashner for Rizzo, in which case Cashner could have been a part of the future, but he was necessary to get what Theo thought was a major cornerstone and Colvin for Stewart which was a stable floor for a high ceiling.

[Sammy Sofa]

And if Arodys Vizcaino ends up a bust, then that trade may as well have never happened. If Kyle Hendricks and Neil Ramirez fizzle and Olt doesn't figure things out, all of which are very possible, then the same will be said about the Garza trade in a few years. It's not so much a tree falling in the forest as it is a hindsight is 20/20.

 

Think about all of those trades that the Pirates made between 2000-2010.

 

If the goal of this post was to make me feel better then it failed completely. Thanks a lot, Debbie Downer.

 

They came out of the gate strong with the Rizzo trade, and then the rest very possibly ends up amounting to a couple years or so of useful relievers when they're actually good (and yeah, I'm including CJ Edwards because I'm assuming he's never going to be healthy enough). Woof. My kingdom for an actual dual/multi-front approach.

[Sammy Sofa]

Though that melange of meh is also bookended by the Shark trade, so what do I know.