Week 11

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd love to hear how the league has changed b/c it's as bat [expletive] insane as when I joined last year

 

as you said a few posts ago, this league is confusing as [expletive]. i feel like we gave some leeway or warned people if they were breaking a rule, but i understand why we are trying to go away from that. i quite easily could have gotten 7 starts and won last week if i had just released shawn marcum or leonys martin, but the rule is that i lose the starts from the players i was shuffling into the minors, and apparently the guy i added for a spot start to replace the starter who was rained out.

 

but i am probably missing some rules because i've had adam on my foe list for probably 2-3 years and am not really interested in changing that. it was easy to ignore his abuse after making a trade or regular complaints about other people in the league, but now he's the commissioner, so it's not so easy to ignore him. there's enough to deal with in life; what's the point of volunteering to be abused by somebody in your free time?

 

anyway, none of this should really be a surprise. when you choose a commissioner who's a dick, some people aren't going to want to stay around. such is life.

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My closers been benched. Glad the rules provide for lineup changes in this situation.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 

Lol. Is this the part where I whine about how mean you are?

 

The words are pretty clear. It makes perfect sense that this league wouldn't abide by them. Guess I shouldn't have asked but just done whatever was in my best interest so I could just claim ignorance.

 

"Hey I'm gonna need to add a player not in the database of thousands bc I've had my eye on a guy that's been hot for 5 weeks. Oh, sorry I didn't realize I was playing a recent top prospect at a position he's never played and only figured it out when I traded for literally the only player who's been outperforming him. I don't have time to keep up with such trivial details as I keep very close eye on which team has the most total points."

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I'd love to hear how the league has changed b/c it's as bat [expletive] insane as when I joined last year

 

as you said a few posts ago, this league is confusing as [expletive]. i feel like we gave some leeway or warned people if they were breaking a rule, but i understand why we are trying to go away from that. i quite easily could have gotten 7 starts and won last week if i had just released shawn marcum or leonys martin, but the rule is that i lose the starts from the players i was shuffling into the minors, and apparently the guy i added for a spot start to replace the starter who was rained out.

 

but i am probably missing some rules because i've had adam on my foe list for probably 2-3 years and am not really interested in changing that. it was easy to ignore his abuse after making a trade or regular complaints about other people in the league, but now he's the commissioner, so it's not so easy to ignore him. there's enough to deal with in life; what's the point of volunteering to be abused by somebody in your free time?

 

anyway, none of this should really be a surprise. when you choose a commissioner who's a dick, some people aren't going to want to stay around. such is life.

 

Ok. If you think Adam is mean, fine whatever. I don't get the issue with your penalty however. You've been in this league 3 years now and that one is actually written and it came up last year. I can see not realizing that your guys had hit 10 starts but at some point people need to accept responsibility for following the rules and take the penalty when they don't. If that's asking too much, then I guess thanks for giving us plenty of time to find a replacement.

[moochpuppy]

Rutledge called up. Inserted into starting lineup. Removed and dropped Crawford to make room.

[abuck1220]

so me not allowing you to have a two man roster advantage over your opponent is "abuse."

[sneakypower]

but i am probably missing some rules because i've had adam on my foe list for probably 2-3 years and am not really interested in changing that. it was easy to ignore his abuse after making a trade or regular complaints about other people in the league, but now he's the commissioner, so it's not so easy to ignore him. there's enough to deal with in life; what's the point of volunteering to be abused by somebody in your free time?

 

anyway, none of this should really be a surprise. when you choose a commissioner who's a dick, some people aren't going to want to stay around. such is life.

hahaha, petition to have truffle's title changed to "abuse victim"

[Guest]

My closers been benched. Glad the rules provide for lineup changes in this situation.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 

Lol. Is this the part where I whine about how mean you are?

 

The words are pretty clear. It makes perfect sense that this league wouldn't abide by them. Guess I shouldn't have asked but just done whatever was in my best interest so I could just claim ignorance.

 

"Hey I'm gonna need to add a player not in the database of thousands bc I've had my eye on a guy that's been hot for 5 weeks. Oh, sorry I didn't realize I was playing a recent top prospect at a position he's never played and only figured it out when I traded for literally the only player who's been outperforming him. I don't have time to keep up with such trivial details as I keep very close eye on which team has the most total points."

I'm really not saying this because its you or anything like that. There are plenty of regular old RP that outscore closers in this league. Wilhelmsen (or however its spelled) will probably still get as many innings as he did when he was closer. He has not gotten "benched". It just isn't the same thing as when a position player loses his job.

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Saves score points that aren't available to other RPs. He was benched. It's frankly dumb to have that as an exception but it's right there in the rules.

[Guest]

Rather than you and I arguing about this, I'll start a poll.

[Guest]

My closers been benched. Glad the rules provide for lineup changes in this situation.

 

 

closer isn't a position. this is pretty clear in the rules. Instead of constant complaining, why don't you make a list of clarifications needed in the rules. You obviously have more time than many of us.

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My closers been benched. Glad the rules provide for lineup changes in this situation.

 

 

closer isn't a position. this is pretty clear in the rules. Instead of constant complaining, why don't you make a list of clarifications needed in the rules. You obviously have more time than many of us.

 

Closer isn't a position? Is it the 60s again? If you didn't intend for RP to be included within the benching exception, why didn't you just say position players?

 

I'm asking for clarification. Why don't you try to respond as a mature adult instead of getting defensive anytime someone asks about the rules.

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Teix out with a wrist. Lind to first, Kinsler to util

[Guest]

My closers been benched. Glad the rules provide for lineup changes in this situation.

 

 

closer isn't a position. this is pretty clear in the rules. Instead of constant complaining, why don't you make a list of clarifications needed in the rules. You obviously have more time than many of us.

 

Closer isn't a position? Is it the 60s again? If you didn't intend for RP to be included within the benching exception, why didn't you just say position players?

 

I'm asking for clarification. Why don't you try to respond as a mature adult instead of getting defensive anytime someone asks about the rules.

 

 

What was defensive? You are one of the most belligerent people around. That is a sincere request - make a list - it can be fixed.

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My closers been benched. Glad the rules provide for lineup changes in this situation.

 

 

closer isn't a position. this is pretty clear in the rules. Instead of constant complaining, why don't you make a list of clarifications needed in the rules. You obviously have more time than many of us.

 

Closer isn't a position? Is it the 60s again? If you didn't intend for RP to be included within the benching exception, why didn't you just say position players?

 

I'm asking for clarification. Why don't you try to respond as a mature adult instead of getting defensive anytime someone asks about the rules.

 

 

What was defensive? You are one of the most belligerent people around. That is a sincere request - make a list - it can be fixed.

 

That's beautiful. I often wondered why I don't see you post outside this forum and I realize now it's bc you can't help but call people names.

[sneakypower]

i wasn't able to beat the lineup lock and i'll probably have 8 starts as a result

 

can i just get Lincecum's points taken off? i'd have benched him and he doesn't start til 8 PM

[moochpuppy]

Saves score points that aren't available to other RPs. He was benched. It's frankly dumb to have that as an exception but it's right there in the rules.

 

So if Trevor Rosenthal gets a spot save for Ed Mujica I won't get the save points because he's not the "closer"? What has this league come too?!? :wink:

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Saves score points that aren't available to other RPs. He was benched. It's frankly dumb to have that as an exception but it's right there in the rules.

 

So if Trevor Rosenthal gets a spot save for Ed Mujica I won't get the save points because he's not the "closer"? What has this league come too?!? :wink:

 

No and your comment in the poll isn't relevant. The question isn't whether a non-closer can score points, or even in some cases be better than a closer. The question is whether being a closer and losing that title is akin to being benched. Seems clear to me that it is b/c the RP will now only be used in certain non-save situations, just like a position player that lost his starting job. (And comparing a closer that lost his job to an elite non-closer RP makes no sense; if the closer were elite, he wouldn't have lost his job.)

 

Moreover, the rules clearly state several exceptions to the rule against mid-week changes. Then it explicitly excludes starting pitchers from the midweek change rule. Logic says the exceptions to the midweek change rule applies to the other 2 groups (RPs and hitters). Logic also says that since 95% of RPs used in this league are closers and the only way a closer gets "benched" is by losing the closer role, you wouldn't include RPs in the midweek change exception unless you intended it to apply to closers.

 

If there are 3 types of players (hitters, SPs, RPs) and you want a rule (exceptions for mid-week changes) to only apply to 1 group, then you would say "this only applies to hitters." You wouldn't state that 1 of the 3 groups was excluded if you actually meant to exclude 2 of them.

 

Finally, I fully admit that I don't like the benching exception. I think it's full of ambiguity (does a regular who becomes a platoon player count as being benched; the closer losing his job issue; two days off for a non-injury b/c you're slumping, etc). There are other rules that I don't like but abide by. But it is explicitly included in the rules, so I don't know why it wouldn't be applied, other than there seem to be a number of unwritten rules, some of which apparently trump the written ones.

[moochpuppy]

Saves score points that aren't available to other RPs. He was benched. It's frankly dumb to have that as an exception but it's right there in the rules.

 

So if Trevor Rosenthal gets a spot save for Ed Mujica I won't get the save points because he's not the "closer"? What has this league come too?!? :wink:

 

No and your comment in the poll isn't relevant. The question isn't whether a non-closer can score points, or even in some cases be better than a closer. The question is whether being a closer and losing that title is akin to being benched. Seems clear to me that it is b/c the RP will now only be used in certain non-save situations, just like a position player that lost his starting job. (And comparing a closer that lost his job to an elite non-closer RP makes no sense; if the closer were elite, he wouldn't have lost his job.)

 

Moreover, the rules clearly state several exceptions to the rule against mid-week changes. Then it explicitly excludes starting pitchers from the midweek change rule. Logic says the exceptions to the midweek change rule applies to the other 2 groups (RPs and hitters). Logic also says that since 95% of RPs used in this league are closers and the only way a closer gets "benched" is by losing the closer role, you wouldn't include RPs in the midweek change exception unless you intended it to apply to closers.

 

If there are 3 types of players (hitters, SPs, RPs) and you want a rule (exceptions for mid-week changes) to only apply to 1 group, then you would say "this only applies to hitters." You wouldn't state that 1 of the 3 groups was excluded if you actually meant to exclude 2 of them.

 

Finally, I fully admit that I don't like the benching exception. I think it's full of ambiguity (does a regular who becomes a platoon player count as being benched; the closer losing his job issue; two days off for a non-injury b/c you're slumping, etc). There are other rules that I don't like but abide by. But it is explicitly included in the rules, so I don't know why it wouldn't be applied, other than there seem to be a number of unwritten rules, some of which apparently trump the written ones.

 

The comment was a joke. The fun of this league is being engulfed like flames sucking up all the oxygen in a room. Certainly glad I came back for one more season.

[abuck1220]

enough of this [expletive].

 

you can't bench a RP mid week because he loses his closer job. that doesn't mean a) it's a good rule or that b) it's been etched in a stone tablet and ratified on a mountaintop by the league elders. that also doesnt mean the "benching" exception for hitters is a good rule.

 

but it is, indisputably, the rule. it won't be for long because this is getting changed to a daily league. otherwise I'm going to end up murdering all of you. participating in this league is just brutal right now.