Re: Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-7-12

[Guest]

Box Scores

 

Iowa won 5-4 Box Score

 

SS A. Amezaga 3/5, 2 R, 2 2B (10), RBI, K

CF D. Sappelt 2/4, 2 RBI

SB A. Cardenas 1/3, BB

3B J. Vitters 1/4, 2B (24), RBI, E (15, throw)

DH W. Castillo 0/2, 2 BB, K

SP E. Caridad 3 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 1 K, WP, 3-4 GO-FO, 54-29 pitches-strikes

RP J. Beliveau 2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1-1 GO-FO

 

Tennessee lost 6-3 Box Score

 

CF L. Watkins 2/4, 2B (8), 2 RBI, BB, K

3B J. Lake 2/5, K

RF M. Burgess 2/4

SP DE Rhee 6 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 4 BB, 4 K, HBP, 6-2 GO-FO, 100-61 pitches-strikes; hitting: 0/2, 2 K

RP K. Rhoderick 2 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 2-1 GO-FO

RP C. Harman 1 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1-1 GO-FO

 

Daytona lost 6-5 Box Score

 

SS A. Alcantara 1/3, R, HR (7), RBI, 2 BB, K, E (34, missed catch)

2B R. Torreyes 1/4, BB

CF R. Silva 2/4, R

3B M. Cerda 1/3, R, RBI, BB, SB (2)

LF J. Andreoli 1/3, R, 3B (5), RBI, BB

SP PJ Francescon 5 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 6-5 GO-FO

RP J. Lorick 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 1-0 GO-FO

 

Peoria won 5-3 Box Score

 

2B Z. DeVoss 0/3, BB, K

CF T. Easterling 1/5, 2B (14)

3B D. Geiger 1/5, R, HR (8), RBI - 4th consecutive day with a HR

DH Ja. Baez 3/4, 2 R, HR (5), RBI

LF Y. Balaguert 1/4, R, HR (1), 3 RBI, 2 K

SP J. Rosario 5.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 5 K, WP, 2 HBP, 8-4 GO-FO

RP H. Ackerman 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K, 3-0 GO-FO

RP YL Wang 1.1 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1-1 GO-FO

 

Boise won 4-0 Box Score

 

2B G. Amaya 2/5, R, 2B (2), K, SB (4)

SS S. Bruno 2/5, R, 2B (6), K

3B J. Candelario 3/5, R, 2B (4), RBI, K

DH W. Contreras 2/5, R, 2B (3), 2 RBI, K

LF DY Kim 1/3, 2B (4), BB

RF X. Batista 1/4, 2B (3), RBI, 2 K

1B R. Shoulders 1/4, 3 K

CF T. Martin 0/4, 2 K

SP T. Scott 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K, HBP, 6-4 GO-FO

RP H. Simpson 3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 3 K, 5-0 GO-FO

 

AZL Cubs won 11-1 Box Score

 

2B C. Penalver 1/4, RBI, BB, K

3B D. Lockhart 2/5, 2 R, 2B (2)

CF T. Saunders 3/4, 2 R, 2B (4), HR (2), 2 RBI

1B D. Vogelbach 1/5, R, 2 RBI

DH R. Lopez 3/5, 2 R, 2B (2), 3B (1), 2 RBI, K

RF J. Rogers 2/5, R, 2 2B (4), 2 RBI

LF T. Gretzky 1/2, 3B (1), 2 RBI

SP H. Ackerman 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K, 3-2 GO-FO

RP A. Maltas-Garcia 2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1-3 GO-FO

RP L. Padron 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 3 K, 2-1 GO-FO

RP JY Kim 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4-1 GO-FO

 

DSL Cubs 1 won 6-5 Box Score

 

SS F. Sanchez 2/5, 2 R, 3B (2), 2 RBI, K, SB (6), E (16, fielding)

LF-1B R. Alcala 1/4, R, RBI, BB, 2 K

PH-CF Je. Baez 3/3, R, HBP, 4 SB (18)

SP L. Villalba 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 5-5 GO-FO

 

DSL Cubs 2 won 3-0 Box Score

 

3B B. Flete 0/4, K, E (10, fielding)

LF R. Marcano 1/4, 3B (4)

CF S. Ubiera 1/4, 2 R, 2B (14), E (3, fielding)

SS L. Acosta 0/3, BB, 2 K, SB (12, fielding)

2B A. Gonzalez 0/4

SP D. Torrez 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, HBP, 10-5 GO-FO

 

OVERALL: 6-2

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Probable Starters

 

Iowa: LHP Chris Rusin (4.69 ERA, 5.43 FIP, 94 IP, 55 K, 34 BB)

Tennessee: RHP Dae-Eun Rhee (5.46 ERA, 5.41 FIP, 84 IP, 40 K, 31 BB)

Daytona: RHP PJ Francescon (3.40 ERA, 3.99 FIP, 45 IP, 33 K, 13 BB)

Peoria: RHP Jose Rosario (4.28 ERA, 3.46 FIP, 96.2 IP, 87 K, 29 BB)

Boise: RHP Tayler Scott (2.20 ERA, 3.66 FIP, 16.1 IP, 13 K, 10 BB)

AZL Cubs: LHP Hunter Ackerman (0.00 ERA, 2.27 FIP, 4 IP, 4 K, 0 BB) & RHP Loiger Padron (2.16 ERA, 4.51 FIP, 8.1 IP, 7 K, 1 BB)

[THISisTHEyear09]

Rosscup to Tennessee

[davell]

For some reason, the corresponding move is Antigua to Peoria. I'm guessing it's to stretch him out or he's being punished for something, because his performance doesn't dictate it at all.

[toonsterwu]

For some reason, the corresponding move is Antigua to Peoria. I'm guessing it's to stretch him out or he's being punished for something, because his performance doesn't dictate it at all.

 

That is odd. I guess they could be stretching him out (they could probably fit a piggyback/long man in there with Peralta, Cates, or Concepcion, all three occasionally having trouble working deep), but it almost feels like they don't know what to do with Antigua.

[davell]

Alcantara has a homer and a walk in his 1st 2 PA today. Also has his 34th error. Now, I know Castro had a high amount in Daytona, but this is eye opening isn't it? No matter how poor the field may be, for a guy expected to be able to stick anyway, right? At any rate, thrilled with his bat.

[Guest]

Alcantara has a homer and a walk in his 1st 2 PA today. Also has his 34th error. Now, I know Castro had a high amount in Daytona, but this is eye opening isn't it? No matter how poor the field may be, for a guy expected to be able to stick anyway, right? At any rate, thrilled with his bat.

 

Ehh, he had 52 errors last year in 97 games, compared to his 34 in 78 games this year. It does look like his fielding % is down a bit at SS (from .918 last season to .905 this year) if Baseball Reference can be believed.

[davell]

Thanks Raisin. By the way, Daury Torrez(just turned 19), 6'3, went 7, 3 hits and 4K's. Pretty sure this is his second season of DSL ball(too lazy to go back and relook). But with him, Paulino, and Rodriguez, we've got 3 pitchers to keep an eye on.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Alcantara has a homer and a walk in his 1st 2 PA today. Also has his 34th error. Now, I know Castro had a high amount in Daytona, but this is eye opening isn't it? No matter how poor the field may be, for a guy expected to be able to stick anyway, right? At any rate, thrilled with his bat.

 

Ehh, he had 52 errors last year in 97 games, compared to his 34 in 78 games this year. It does look like his fielding % is down a bit at SS (from .918 last season to .905 this year) if Baseball Reference can be believed.

 

Would he crack our top 25 at this point?

[Guest]

Alcantara has a homer and a walk in his 1st 2 PA today. Also has his 34th error. Now, I know Castro had a high amount in Daytona, but this is eye opening isn't it? No matter how poor the field may be, for a guy expected to be able to stick anyway, right? At any rate, thrilled with his bat.

 

Ehh, he had 52 errors last year in 97 games, compared to his 34 in 78 games this year. It does look like his fielding % is down a bit at SS (from .918 last season to .905 this year) if Baseball Reference can be believed.

 

Would he crack our top 25 at this point?

He's going to be in mine.

[davell]

Right now, him and Torreyes are 9 and 10 for me, in some order.

[toonsterwu]

Alcantara has a homer and a walk in his 1st 2 PA today. Also has his 34th error. Now, I know Castro had a high amount in Daytona, but this is eye opening isn't it? No matter how poor the field may be, for a guy expected to be able to stick anyway, right? At any rate, thrilled with his bat.

 

Ehh, he had 52 errors last year in 97 games, compared to his 34 in 78 games this year. It does look like his fielding % is down a bit at SS (from .918 last season to .905 this year) if Baseball Reference can be believed.

 

Would he crack our top 25 at this point?

 

Arismendy? I'd be surprised if he isn't a solid top 20 on most lists. Considering age, tools, and performance this year ... hard for me to think he's not top 20, and I could see a case for him top 15 depending on how he ends the season (and probably will be heavily influenced, for me, by how that BB rate looks down the stretch).

 

Let's see ... been awhile since I hammered out a list ... Baez, Soler, Candelario, Almora (assuming he signs), Brett Jackson, Vitters, Szczur would be my top 7. Can't think of anyone else that deserves to go higher. I think I could probably buy Alcantara as high as 8. I'm just not certain how high Johnson/Blackburn/Underwood should go. But now that I think about it, I think he's probably solid top 15 as of now.

[Guest]

Alcantara has a homer and a walk in his 1st 2 PA today. Also has his 34th error. Now, I know Castro had a high amount in Daytona, but this is eye opening isn't it? No matter how poor the field may be, for a guy expected to be able to stick anyway, right? At any rate, thrilled with his bat.

 

Ehh, he had 52 errors last year in 97 games, compared to his 34 in 78 games this year. It does look like his fielding % is down a bit at SS (from .918 last season to .905 this year) if Baseball Reference can be believed.

 

Would he crack our top 25 at this point?

 

Arismendy? I'd be surprised if he isn't a solid top 20 on most lists. Considering age, tools, and performance this year ... hard for me to think he's not top 20, and I could see a case for him top 15 depending on how he ends the season (and probably will be heavily influenced, for me, by how that BB rate looks down the stretch).

 

Let's see ... been awhile since I hammered out a list ... Baez, Soler, Candelario, Almora (assuming he signs), Brett Jackson, Vitters, Szczur would be my top 7. Can't think of anyone else that deserves to go higher. I think I could probably buy Alcantara as high as 8. I'm just not certain how high Johnson/Blackburn/Underwood should go. But now that I think about it, I think he's probably solid top 15 as of now.

Yeah, I'm reserving judgement to see who we get at the deadline before making any firm statements. But I think it's really safe to say that at this very moment he's top 10-15.

[Guest]

Wait...Toonster, you'd have Alcantara over Marco right now?

[El Duderino]

marco hasn't exactly done anything inspiring this year

[toonsterwu]

Wait...Toonster, you'd have Alcantara over Marco right now?

 

I may like a guy and prefer a guy, but I try my damn best to be fair (easier said than done) if I work on a rankings list. I may come up with some crazy stuff at times (for example, when I made a list after 2008, I had Jay Jackson far higher than most ... for a couple years, I felt great about it ... now ... uh that list doesn't exist ... a more recent example would be Marco's placement last year for me, which to this day, I still say is justified considering the outlook of the system and the raw tools Marco had - to be fair, most of the positive stuff that was said about him hasn't been off ... except for one thing, which is what is troubling me more than anything), but Alcantara's defensive ceiling (and I've said this before) might be higher than Marco's, and he's performing 2 levels higher.

 

If you ask me who I do like more, long run, somewhat "gut feel"? I'd go Marco. I love that bat speed. Absolutely love it.

 

If you ask me who I'd rank higher, it's easily Alcantara right now. Marco, Torreyes, and others would slide in behind Alcantara for me as of now, but where, I don't know.

 

I half am leaning towards Pierce Johnson in our top 10, and I didn't feel that way a month ago. I mean, if I had to finish out a top 10 right now, it'd go Baez, Soler, Candelario, Almora, Brett Jackson, Vitters, Szczur, Alcantara, P. Johnson, and perhaps a bit out of LF, Robert Whitenack.

 

So, might as well explain Whitenack in my top 10, before getting some queries on that. It's year 1 back from TJ. He still shows good sink, and velo reports that I've heard have him topping around 92/93, perhaps not as good as where it was last year. But ... considering this is Year 1 back from TJ, and rather fast at that, it seems like a big positive in his overall development. That plus fastball gives him a mid-rotation ceiling and he'll be in the upper levels. I think everything after the top 7 is a bit jumbled for me as of now, and a potentially upper level guy in 2013 with a plus fastball is intriguing enough, and I would hold out hope that Year 2 would be better. Haven't heard a lot on how his change and breaking ball look as of now, but I imagine it's probably still in that average, to slightly above average range (on good days).

[toonsterwu]

So Dustin Geiger with a homer. I wonder where he'll end up on end of season lists. A lot will obviously depend on how he finishes, but top 20 isn't out of the question. IIRC, last year, there was some concern on his swing length and some other mechanical issues (I think). I wonder if that's improved.

 

That said, he's really not a 3rd baseman. I guess you can keep him at 3rd if there isn't a better option, but Stephen Bruno could perhaps join that grouping and perhaps man 3rd in Daytona next year.

 

Would be a very interesting corner OF bat prospect if the bat continues to produce.

[davell]

Geiger #8.

[toonsterwu]

Geiger #8.

 

Edit: NVM. I thought you were talking about a ranking of Geiger. Just realized you were talking about this being his 8th homer.

[davell]

Geiger #8.

 

Edit: NVM. I thought you were talking about a ranking of Geiger. Just realized you were talking about this being his 8th homer.

Haha. I guess we need to take the wait and see on him, to see if this is progress or just an insane streak. I think just about all of our top 8's, in some order, will be Baez, Soler, Almora, Brett, Candelario, Vitters, Szczur, and Lake.

[17 Seconds]

baez bomb

[davell]

Another very impressive one too.

[Guest]

Took him long enough.

[davell]

Took him long enough.

Hey! He'll do WTF he wants!

[toonsterwu]

Geiger #8.

 

Edit: NVM. I thought you were talking about a ranking of Geiger. Just realized you were talking about this being his 8th homer.

Haha. I guess we need to take the wait and see on him, to see if this is progress or just an insane streak. I think just about all of our top 8's, in some order, will be Baez, Soler, Almora, Brett, Candelario, Vitters, Szczur, and Lake.

 

I'm taking a big wait and see on putting Lake there. A lot of early excitement, but hearing some fairly mediocre reports on approach. I mean, he's not far off from 8, but I'm not ready to lock him into the top 10 yet.

 

On Geiger, last time I checked, the BABIP wasn't insanely high. Tbh, I'd like to know how the swing looks, since it's still low A pitching.

 

Oh, gave you a ... partial response in the Garza thread. Will be back later and try the rest.