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Verlander's extension hasn't even kicked in yet. That contract could be in the Ryan Howard level of bad.

Isn't it something like 5 or 6 for 140ish?

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Verlander's extension hasn't even kicked in yet. That contract could be in the Ryan Howard level of bad.

Isn't it something like 5 or 6 for 140ish?

 

Yeah, I think it's $28 million per, through 2019 and a $22 million vesting option in 2020. Not sure what he has to do for it to vest, but I'm guessing he doesn't meet whatever threshold it is.

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Dombrowski has been fantastic in trades, but man has he been bad in giving the 9 figure FA contracts/extensions. Verlander, Fielder, Cabrera's recent extension (which I also don't think has kicked in yet).
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Dombrowski has been fantastic in trades, but man has he been bad in giving the 9 figure FA contracts/extensions. Verlander, Fielder, Cabrera's recent extension (which I also don't think has kicked in yet).

 

Yeah, Cabrera's could be the worst. That body is going to break down fast -- well, it already is. He is bound for DH'ing soon. And isn't it like a ten-year extension?

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Dombrowski has been fantastic in trades, but man has he been bad in giving the 9 figure FA contracts/extensions. Verlander, Fielder, Cabrera's recent extension (which I also don't think has kicked in yet).

 

Yeah, Cabrera's could be the worst. That body is going to break down fast -- well, it already is. He is bound for DH'ing soon. And isn't it like a ten-year extension?

Just looked it's 8, with 2 team options. But he's signed for the next 9 since it doesn't go into effect until after next year. Basically an A-Rod contract hoping you get a few years in the middle where he's going for milestone HR, Hits, etc and then the last few years are sunk costs. But I agree he's probably DH bound within the next 3 years.

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Trade for him. Now. Give them anyone.

 

yep. i want him so badly. give them soler/baez/pierce

 

Soler is literally the only one that gives me pause. I wouldn't blink if anyone else went.

 

i'm not going to say that i wouldn't trade soler for stanton, but i'd much rather give up anyone else before him

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Trade for him. Now. Give them anyone.

 

yep. i want him so badly. give them soler/baez/pierce

 

Soler is literally the only one that gives me pause. I wouldn't blink if anyone else went.

Bryant will be better than Stanton.

 

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Dombrowski has been fantastic in trades, but man has he been bad in giving the 9 figure FA contracts/extensions. Verlander, Fielder, Cabrera's recent extension (which I also don't think has kicked in yet).

 

Aren't they the ones with the owner who is 100 years old who doesn't care what they do and just wants a world series before he dies?

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I don't know why, but when I saw that staton donger all I could think was, "what if that was October in Wrigley as a Cub".

 

[expletive].

 

Baez, Almora, Johnson, Vogelbach, - does that get it done? Throw in Vizcaino?

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Hit tracker said this Stanton home run went 484 feet earlier this season:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=31823267&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_longest_drives

 

They said the one I had posted from last night *only* went 470 feet. Would've suspected the one last night went further.

 

484 footer:

 

http://hittrackeronline.com/parks/marlinspark_2014_96.jpg

 

 

470 footer:

 

http://hittrackeronline.com/parks/marlinspark_2014_3082.jpg

 

 

Oh yeah, he also made this catch last night:

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/51231442/v35283271/stlmia-stanton-makes-amazing-diving-catch-on-track/?query=stanton

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Verlander's extension hasn't even kicked in yet. That contract could be in the Ryan Howard level of bad.

Isn't it something like 5 or 6 for 140ish?

 

Yeah, I think it's $28 million per, through 2019 and a $22 million vesting option in 2020. Not sure what he has to do for it to vest, but I'm guessing he doesn't meet whatever threshold it is.

 

Guaranteed with a top-5 Cy Young finish in 2019.

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So I fell into a rabbit hole after looking up just how bad Ryan Howard's extension was. Short answer to that: Bad, obviously. Since the extension kicked in during the 2012 season, he has been worth -1.2 WAR. Assuming he either gets released this off-season, or continues to play at a replacement level, that's hard to take for $125 million.

 

Then, I saw he has 72 RBIs this year, despite his .675 OPS. And that made me intrigued, as I am intrigued by stupid things like that -- like being fond of Ruben Sierra's, Joe Carter's, Tony Armas' and Tony Batista's fluky 100-RBI seasons. And Howard's .298 wOBA this year would rank him 6th on the list of worst wOBA in a 100-RBI season.

 

And holy [expletive], Dante Bichette had 133 RBIs in 1999 and -2.1 WAR that year. Now Bichette's RBI total wasn't really fluky like the aforementioned guys, as he had a .379 wOBA that year. He was also playing in Coors and hit in the middle of a pretty good Rockies line-up, during the steroid era. So, it is easy to understand how he piled up RBIs.

 

His WAR can be attributed nearly entirely to his terrible defense. His WRC+ was 100; so he was still a league-average hitter, when adjusting for league and park. But, he was worth -34 Total Zone runs, which is the fourth-worst mark by any player, at any position, ever. Now, he was always bad defensively, but this seems like a bit of an anomaly. And LF in Coors is notoriously difficult to patrol.

 

Still, .895 OPS and -2.1 WAR is crazy awesome. One of my favorite single seasons for any player ever. It is the perfect convergence of crazy offensive era; crazy park for hitting environment, at its craziest; crazy bad defense, at its most extreme; and bad base running because of declining speed, at an advanced age.

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not sure where to ask this, but for the contact numbers, do we prefer baseball info solutions' numbers or pitchfx?

 

i'm guessing pitchfx

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Trade for him. Now. Give them anyone.

 

yep. i want him so badly. give them soler/baez/pierce

 

Soler is literally the only one that gives me pause. I wouldn't blink if anyone else went.

 

i'm not going to say that i wouldn't trade soler for stanton, but i'd much rather give up anyone else before him

 

So I just realized, partially thanks to Brett's article on Stanton, that Stanton is not a FA after next season. He's under arb until the end of 2016. So he's still under control for 2 more seasons. This whole time I was under the assumption that he was a FA after 2015 because I thought I read somewhere in a preseason outlook that he was either going to be traded or extended because he'd only have one year left in Miami in 2015.

 

Sooooo yeah, he's got 2 more years of team control. Not sure if everyone knew that. That will definitely drive the price up, but because of that I think it makes it even harder for other teams to give what they need to move him, and leaves the Cubs as the only team with the resources to pull it off. To have Stanton under control for two more years instead of one is waaaaaaaay better, and even makes the idea of moving our guys for him without an extension in place easier to swallow.

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some pretty delicious 14th inning shrimp in Arlington tonight, you guys

wtf does this mean

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