Cole Hamels

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

What Hamels is seeking is purely speculation right now. The 8 year thing is something I've only seen here tbh, and we kind of made it a fact and let the conversation run.

[dew1679666265]

What Hamels is seeking is purely speculation right now. The 8 year thing is something I've only seen here tbh, and we kind of made it a fact and let the conversation run.

 

You were the one promoting giving him 8 years. I simply said it's borderline ludicrous to give a pitcher 7-8 years and you responded that you thought it was a good idea to give Hamels 8 years. Then we debated that.

 

I don't know that Hamels will get 8 years, but I think if he hits FA (still don't think he will) the teams will start at 5, Hamels will start at 8 and they'll meet at 6-7. I don't think 8 is out of the question at all, though.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

What Hamels is seeking is purely speculation right now. The 8 year thing is something I've only seen here tbh, and we kind of made it a fact and let the conversation run.

 

You were the one promoting giving him 8 years. I simply said it's borderline ludicrous to give a pitcher 7-8 years and you responded that you thought it was a good idea to give Hamels 8 years. Then we debated that.

 

I don't know that Hamels will get 8 years, but I think if he hits FA (still don't think he will) the teams will start at 5, Hamels will start at 8 and they'll meet at 6-7. I don't think 8 is out of the question at all, though.

 

Actually you brought up 8 years...I just said I would be fine wih it and the conversation went from there. I didn't say good idea. I said I'd be fine, which is a huge difference. Obviously you prefer to not commit "too many" money or years but that's hard to do in FA, which is why you have to do your homework on who gets targeted and signed.

[dew1679666265]

Actually you brought up 8 years...I just said I would be fine wih it and the conversation went from there. I didn't say good idea. I said I'd be fine, which is a huge difference.

 

Now we're parsing words and that's a pointless discussion. Not to mention it'd make others in this thread mad.

 

Obviously you prefer to not commit "too many" money or years but that's hard to do in FA, which is why you have to do your homework on who gets targeted and signed.

 

Of course you do your homework, I'm not sure anyone would ever argue against that. But it doesn't matter how much homework you do, there's still a very high chance that a pitcher moving through his 30s is going to have arm problems. It's a much safer proposition to spend big in FA on hitters and that's what I'd prefer to do.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

1) No, we're not parsing words there's a very clear difference there

 

2) What're the numbers on arm injuries in the 30's? IIRC the risk of ARM injury goes down significantly after a pitcher exits the infamous injury nexus of the late teens/early twenties.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1658

 

You're using general thought from some era I'm sure, but the best way of doing homework is by looking up the facts, plain and simple.

[17 Seconds]

why do people care about how many years he says he wants? who cares? teams big against each other, not against his hopes. he'll sign for the highest contract in what he considers a good situation.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

why do people care about how many years he says he wants? who cares? teams big against each other, not against his hopes. he'll sign for the highest contract in what he considers a good situation.

 

Has he even said anything?

[dew1679666265]

2) What're the numbers on arm injuries in the 30's? IIRC the risk of ARM injury goes down significantly after a pitcher exits the infamous injury nexus of the late teens/early twenties.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1658

 

You're using general thought from some era I'm sure, but the best way of doing homework is by looking up the facts, plain and simple.

 

And the facts in your article state that a pitcher gets more likely to get hurt as he ages after 24 and the likelihood is above 15% each season for his entire 30s. That's a very significant risk when you're paying a guy $23-25+ million every year for 7-8 years. There was also this from the guys who did the study:

 

Even for a successful, established pitcher, the risk of catastrophic injury is meaningfully high throughout his career, almost certainly at least 10 percent in any given season.

 

Pitchers are significant injury risks.

[dew1679666265]

why do people care about how many years he says he wants? who cares? teams big against each other, not against his hopes. he'll sign for the highest contract in what he considers a good situation.

 

Personally, I still don't even think he's going to hit FA. Everything is just speculation at this point, but given that Pujols got 10 years and Prince got 9, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Hamels got 7-8.

[dew1679666265]

Has he even said anything?

 

Again, it's all rumor and speculation at this point, but this was in a post you responded to on page 2:

 

According to NBC Philadelphia's Howard Eskin, Cole Hamels has told the Phillies he wants a seven-year deal.

And if the Phillies aren't willing to give a contract of that length to Hamels, he will probably be able to find it elsewhere.