Leonys Martin

[Tim]

One member has expressed to me that he didn't think Martin should be eligible under our IFA rules. I'm looking for consensus here since I'm obviously biased and don't want to use commish powers to favor myself.

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Your comment on Soler in another thread was that he was (a) not available for the ML draft and (b) if not signed by the start of the prosect draft, not available until the 2013 draft.

 

Since Martin was a prospect when he wad signed and he wasn't signed until after the 2011 draft, he should be in the 2012 prospect draft.

[TruffleShuffle]

people weren't allowed to pick him up last year during the season, so i don't really see why he was eligible for the major league draft.

[Guest]

people weren't allowed to pick him up last year during the season, so i don't really see why he was eligible for the major league draft.

He's an IFA and falls under the IFA rules.

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So Soler is in the ML draft next year?

[Guest]

So Soler is in the ML draft next year?

Depends on if he signs by the time we start the prospect draft. Assuming he doesn't sign by then, he cannot be picked up this year and will be treated as a 2013 IFA signing.

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ok, that's not how I understood your decision. If he's so clearly a prospect at 19, why won't he so clearly be a prospect at 20?

 

I'm going to renew my recommendation that all IFA's be treated the same.

[Guest]

ok, that's not how I understood your decision. If he's so clearly a prospect at 19, why won't he so clearly be a prospect at 20?

 

I'm going to renew my recommendation that all IFA's be treated the same.

1) he's eligible for the prospect draft in both years because he's prospect eligible. I can't see any question here.

 

2) if he doesn't sign by the time we start the prospect draft, he cannot be signed mid-year so that he doesn't turn into a free-for all during the season

 

3) going into next year, he'll be like any other IFA: eligible for both major league and minor league drafts with the stipulation that if he's taken in the major league draft he has to stay on the major league roster for the whole season + offseason

 

I don't see how this is a change at all from what was decided earlier in the offseason about IFA's. I actually preferred the previous rules, but the majority seemed to want to treat IFA's differently than drafted players.

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So why are Soler and Concepcion treated differently this year? If Soler had been signed on March 1, he'd only be prospect draft eligible. Your ruling on that made me think IFA that were similarly "prospects" last year would not be ML draft eligible. But if Soler isn't signed until May, he's ML eligible next year? The distinction makes no sense to me. Maybe I'm the only one (though I wasn't the one that raised the issue initially).

[Guest]

So why are Soler and Concepcion treated differently this year? If Soler had been signed on March 1, he'd only be prospect draft eligible. Your ruling on that made me think IFA that were similarly "prospects" last year would not be ML draft eligible. But if Soler isn't signed until May, he's ML eligible next year? The distinction makes no sense to me. Maybe I'm the only one (though I wasn't the one that raised the issue initially).

 

What I'm getting from Tim is this: Soler isn't eligible to be picked up by anyone in the prospect draft or waiver wire in 2012 if he signs after our 2012 prospect draft begins. Concepcion is different because he has already signed with a team before the 2012 prospect draft. Soler would instead be eligible for the 2013 prospect draft.

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So why are Soler and Concepcion treated differently this year? If Soler had been signed on March 1, he'd only be prospect draft eligible. Your ruling on that made me think IFA that were similarly "prospects" last year would not be ML draft eligible. But if Soler isn't signed until May, he's ML eligible next year? The distinction makes no sense to me. Maybe I'm the only one (though I wasn't the one that raised the issue initially).

 

What I'm getting from Tim is this: Soler isn't eligible to be picked up by anyone in the prospect draft or waiver wire in 2012 if he signs after our 2012 prospect draft begins. Concepcion is different because he has already signed with a team before the 2012 prospect draft. Soler would instead be eligible for the 2013 prospect draft.

 

That's what I thought he was saying too. but he explicitly says that Soler is in the 2013 ML draft (as any other IFA) if he isn't signed before the 2012 prospect draft. That's a distinction I don't understand.

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This whole process needs to be simplified. I'm not sure as to why we are so worried about being signed or not when we know someone is going to be with a ML team. To me the issue is knowing who is available and for what draft ahead of time. If someone hasn't been eligible for the prospect draft or the ML draft ever is where we will have these issues. In the case of Martin, Cespedes, Conception, Soler, etc they all need to be decided which draft they will be eligible in before the start of any draft what so ever. The problem here is no one is on the same page. Have some sort of declaration of prospects stating where they can go ahead of time.

[bukie]

I did try to make a list of all IFAs in the Prospect Draft thread, but I missed Martin.

[Guest]

Which threads had the discussion about the IFA rule? for some reason, I can't find them.

[bukie]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2763647#p2763647

[moochpuppy]

In my other CBS league we have treated every player the same.

 

• If the player is in the database for the major league draft that player can be drafted (major or minor leaguer)
  If the player is added during the draft he cannot be drafted but can be picked up off waivers after the draft
  If the player is added at any other point during the season he can be picked up off waivers
  

 

We also do our minor league draft right after the MLB draft in June. In that draft any player NOT in the CBS database, including players just drafted in the MLB draft can be selected. We then keep the list of these players in a league news story on our CBS site until the player is added to the database. At that time the team that drafted the player has 48 hours to make room for said player on their roster or release the rights to the player.

 

Not saying that this would work in this league but it has served us well and we have not had any confusion or issues.

[Guest]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2763647#p2763647

It looks to me like I remembered the conversation incorrectly. I remembered Truffle's post from that as the end conclusion when the reality is that I had ruled the true prospect guys (Soler, Concepcion) only prospect draft eligible. Now, Martin is in a bit of a middle ground, but I'd say that he falls under the prospect side of things and should be in the prospect draft based on the ruling I gave in the end.

 

So, since it was my mistake and didn't remember my own ruling, I'll just drop him and lose that pick.

 

bummer

[Quakers]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2763647#p2763647

It looks to me like I remembered the conversation incorrectly. I remembered Truffle's post from that as the end conclusion when the reality is that I had ruled the true prospect guys (Soler, Concepcion) only prospect draft eligible. Now, Martin is in a bit of a middle ground, but I'd say that he falls under the prospect side of things and should be in the prospect draft based on the ruling I gave in the end.

 

So, since it was my mistake and didn't remember my own ruling, I'll just drop him and lose that pick.

 

bummer

 

Don't give up hope so fast. Is there a chance that he starts the season in the majors? If so then you can keep him.

[Guest]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2763647#p2763647

It looks to me like I remembered the conversation incorrectly. I remembered Truffle's post from that as the end conclusion when the reality is that I had ruled the true prospect guys (Soler, Concepcion) only prospect draft eligible. Now, Martin is in a bit of a middle ground, but I'd say that he falls under the prospect side of things and should be in the prospect draft based on the ruling I gave in the end.

 

So, since it was my mistake and didn't remember my own ruling, I'll just drop him and lose that pick.

 

bummer

 

Don't give up hope so fast. Is there a chance that he starts the season in the majors? If so then you can keep him.

There's a hope. But Washington has already come out and said that they're sending him to the minors.

[Quakers]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2763647#p2763647

It looks to me like I remembered the conversation incorrectly. I remembered Truffle's post from that as the end conclusion when the reality is that I had ruled the true prospect guys (Soler, Concepcion) only prospect draft eligible. Now, Martin is in a bit of a middle ground, but I'd say that he falls under the prospect side of things and should be in the prospect draft based on the ruling I gave in the end.

 

So, since it was my mistake and didn't remember my own ruling, I'll just drop him and lose that pick.

 

bummer

 

Don't give up hope so fast. Is there a chance that he starts the season in the majors? If so then you can keep him.

There's a hope. But Washington has already come out and said that they're sending him to the minors.

 

That would be a pretty good indicator of their intentions.

[Guest]

Just realized why he should have been draftable....

 

He had already made his MLB debut. Does this change anyone's mind about him being in the MLB draft?

 

and if so...can I pick him back up? :)

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I don't think so.

 

Just draft him on the prospect draft. Aren't you up?

[Guest]

I don't think so.

 

Just draft him on the prospect draft. Aren't you up?

How would someone who has already made his MLB debut not be eligible in the MLB phase of the draft?

 

Not quite yet. MOJ needs to change his pick since Karen already owns Myers.

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I thought the rule on first year prospects is they aren't eligible to be added except thru the draft. If he was a first year prospect last year and not a FA (like Soler is this year), then he should only be in the prospect draft.

[Guest]

if he played in the majors, he should be in the major league draft.