Minor League Draft - 2012

[Quakers]

Just so you know, anyone selected in the major league portion of our draft has to break with the team out of spring training.

 

So if someone drafts Yu Darvish, Yoenis Cespedes, in our major league draft, then he/she runs the risk of losing him if he is sent to the minors at the start of the season. I assume then, these players would go first to the team that selected them in our minor league draft, and then be subject to normal free agent pick up rules.

 

 

I assume the order of FA pick-ups was set at the end of last season?

 

I notice that Yoenis is not listed on Roadkill yet. The rule has been in the past that you can draft someone not listed on Roadkill. You tell the commish who can creat a "fake" player. But remember to add/drop when the real player becomes available on Roadkill.

 

Any other rules I should tell the newbie, besdies the one that states that all highly qualified prospects should go to the Quakers?

[TruffleShuffle]

isn't the minor league draft going to occur before major league rosters are finalized? if, say, the a's decide to start cespedes in the minors, i would expect that the minor league draft would have been completed before this time. what happens with cespedes then?

 

also, i'll probably be taking darvish first overall in the major league draft, so i'll be pretty [expletive] irate if he is inexplicably sent to the minors.

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Waivers I assume. Is waiver priority reverse draft order? If so, pretty risk free gamble for the team with the last pick in R1.

[Guest]

My personal preference on this is that anyone that still has minor league eligibility or has never played in the majors should be placed in the prospect draft and is not eligible for the major league draft. Who cares if they make the team or not? If you get a prospect pick that makes the majors, whether they were just in the June amateur draft, defected from Cuba, got posted in Japan, signed as a free agent out of the DR, etc...., good on ya.

 

Keep it as simple as possible.

 

We all have minor league players on our roster that are going to be making the jump to the bigs anyway. If I have 6 major league ready minor leaguers that will all debut this April and the guy drafting Yu Darvish with his first prospect pick and that's the only guy who will be debuting with his team from his minor league roster, who has the roster advantage here? Clearly me.

 

But, just to keep it as simple as possible, and to avoid someone having to lose a pick because their draft pick stayed at extended spring training for an extra week, just put them in the prospect draft and let that team keep the pick.

 

Major league draft is exactly that. Prospect draft is everyone that isn't already a major leaguer. Use Roadkill at bats and pitching appearances as the cut off for major league and prospect drafts.

[TruffleShuffle]

that would be fine with me.

 

how was it handled when daisuke came over?

[Guest]

that would be fine with me.

 

how was it handled when daisuke came over?

 

He was the second pick in the draft, but I don't think we had a "prospect" draft then.

 

ETA: Nope, no prospect draft. Earliest prospect that I could see was Alexis Gomez taken in the 4th round by Tootielicious.

 

ETA #2: Kosuke was taken third the following year. Alexei Ramirez didn't go until the 12th round that year.

 

Looks like the prospect draft started in 2009.

[Quakers]

isn't the minor league draft going to occur before major league rosters are finalized? if, say, the a's decide to start cespedes in the minors, i would expect that the minor league draft would have been completed before this time. what happens with cespedes then?

 

also, i'll probably be taking darvish first overall in the major league draft, so i'll be pretty [expletive] irate if he is inexplicably sent to the minors.

 

I figured my post would bring joy and happiness to one lucky Roadkill owner. ;)

 

Someone may take a chance on drafting Cepedes in the minor league draft. Then if he doesn't start in the majors, the person who picked him in the minor league draft would get him. If no one picked him in the minor league draft, then he would be a waiver wire pick up. I believe the first round would be after the first week of the season.

 

Someone correct me if I am wrong on any of the above.

[Quakers]

or we could handle this differently this year and state that anyone who could techniquely be placed in our minors at the start of the season, has to be selected in the prospect draft.

 

Does ET (or whatever Truffleshuffle's new name is) has the first pich in the prospect draft? Otherwise he may be pissed.

 

I can live with either way. I just want clarity and concensus before we start drafting.

[TruffleShuffle]

isn't the minor league draft going to occur before major league rosters are finalized? if, say, the a's decide to start cespedes in the minors, i would expect that the minor league draft would have been completed before this time. what happens with cespedes then?

 

also, i'll probably be taking darvish first overall in the major league draft, so i'll be pretty [expletive] irate if he is inexplicably sent to the minors.

 

I figured my post would bring joy and happiness to one lucky Roadkill owner. ;)

 

Someone may take a chance on drafting Cepedes in the minor league draft. Then if he doesn't start in the majors, the person who picked him in the minor league draft would get him. If no one picked him in the minor league draft, then he would be a waiver wire pick up. I believe the first round would be after the first week of the season.

 

Someone correct me if I am wrong on any of the above.

 

i'm assuming you meant to say "major league draft" in your first sentence.

 

this seems overly complicated, and i think it's a bit dumb to have people drafting a player in the minor league draft when he's already been drafted in the major league draft. but it also seems a bit dumb to draft a player like darvish in the minor league portion of the draft just because he's never pitched in the big leagues. clearly the expectation with guys like him and cespedes is that they're going to be big league contributors immediately.

 

it seems to me unnecessarily punitive to have someone like darvish or cespedes become a FA immediately if they don't leave camp with the big club. what if cespedes tweaks a hammy and needs to play a week or two in the minors before coming up? maybe we could have a period of time at the beginning of the year for major league drafted players to reach the majors, and after that point they become free agents? something like mid-may would give 5 or 6 weeks to reach the majors.

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I think BBB's is the most cut and dry plan. If they haven't played in the majors yet, be they international FA or minor leaguers, they can only be drafted in the prospect draft.

 

Making a rule with exceptions just leads to confusion and arguments.

[Guest]

I think BBB's is the most cut and dry plan. If they haven't played in the majors yet, be they international FA or minor leaguers, they can only be drafted in the prospect draft.

 

Making a rule with exceptions just leads to confusion and arguments.

 

The only other thing you might be able to do to keep it from straying too far away from simple, would be to take a league vote on each individual player who clearly will not be starting in the minors, like Ichiro, Daisuke, and Darvish.

 

But, I'd prefer to see it kept as simple as possible. The same group of people (worst teams in the league) will be drafting these guys, unless they foolishly traded their pick, which is something they were willing to gamble on at the time, when it was not yet known whether Darvish would be posted or that Cespedes would establish residency in time for the new season.

 

Point being, while they may have a golden ticket straight to the major leagues, they may not stick. Kei Igawa sure didn't. Drafting these guys with the prospect draft doesn't really guarantee you anything. Darvish, being of the Ichiro and Daisuke ilk, being the exception, of course.

[TruffleShuffle]

i think that's the easiest way to do things. and selfishly, i'd be happy to draft darvish #1 in the prospect draft and ([expletive], there really aren't any elite players available in the major league draft. josh hamilton? ben zobrist? yovani gallardo?)

[Guest]

i think that's the easiest way to do things. and selfishly, i'd be happy to draft darvish #1 in the prospect draft and ([expletive], there really aren't any elite players available in the major league draft. josh hamilton? ben zobrist? yovani gallardo?)

 

You would think that there would be a decent enough talent pool of players available considering how small the cap is. 3 good players nearly eats up the entire cap. 16 teams x 3 good players is 48.

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Plus a couple dozen exempt players.

[abuck1220]

darvish should clearly be eligible to be picked in the major league draft. come on.

[abuck1220]

they paid like 100 mil for darvish. he's not a "prospect."

 

marlon byrd is going to be a first round pick at the rate we're watering down this draft.

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Cespedes too?

[Guest]

darvish should clearly be eligible to be picked in the major league draft. come on.

 

What's the cutoff if we do it this way? I agree he's not a prospect. Maybe it should just be league vote on an individual basis for those high caliber transfers, like Ichiro, Matsuzaka and Darvish and everyone else gets dropped into the prospect draft.

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So is there a penalty if a guy doesn't go to the majors? I guess you can't send him to your minors so you're stuck with a wasted bench spot?

 

Someone can't take a flier on a tweener like Cespedes if they're willing to waste a bench spot on him?

[Guest]

So is there a penalty if a guy doesn't go to the majors? I guess you can't send him to your minors so you're stuck with a wasted bench spot?

 

Someone can't take a flier on a tweener like Cespedes if they're willing to waste a bench spot on him?

 

The idea that you lose the pick if they don't make the club or vice versa is not a good one, and what I'm basically attempting to remove.

 

1) Decide or designate players to a particular draft

2) Whoever picks those players in the proper draft keeps them, regardless of whether they make the team or not.

[abuck1220]

draft darvish or cespedes in the major league draft. you get to keep them no matter what. this makes the most sense. they're clearly not "prospects."

[abuck1220]

SPIRIT OF THE RULES.

[shnsajax]

agreed with Adam, they were estentially FA. I drafted both DiceK and Kuroda this way in the major league draft.

 

The main reason for the minor league draft was to draft players from the MLB draft in June and to avoid people going waiver crazy based on random days CBS decided to add players to the database.

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So if Cespedes starts the year in the minors for 6 weeks, the team that drafted him just has to stash him on the bench?

 

The point I'm getting at is you can't draft someone in the ML draft and move him to the minors if he starts the year there, right?

 

I'm fine with whatever, I just want to know the rules and hopefully have them remain the same going forward.

[Guest]

SPIRIT OF THE RULES.

 

Always the jackass......