Draft 2012

[Quakers]

When is it?

 

I assume that we are not going to have a draft day, but do it via NSBB and/or the message board at Roadkill again?

[moochpuppy]

When is it?

 

I assume that we are not going to have a draft day, but do it via NSBB and/or the message board at Roadkill again?

 

I think it would be the same as it has the past couple of seasons......live extended draft via CBS league site.

[Tracer Bullet]

More dumb questions: how many rounds is the draft? In trade discussions, no one knows for sure. Given the different team constructions, I assume you pick until your roster is full? So let's say someone took over a team of crap and cut the roster down to bare bones (hypothetically speaking). Would that team possibly have several picks at the end when the other teams were full?

[Guest]

I think we only do 11 or 12 rounds. After the draft is complete, everyone becomes a free agent.

 

Actually, you can see the results of previous year's drafts if you hover over League and then click draft results on the Roadkill league home page.

 

It looks like we consistently go 12 rounds. But, a lot of teams stop drafting anywhere from about 7 rounds on. Between your 10 keepers, some guaranteed promotions of your minor leaguers and about 7 draft picks, your roster will be pretty close to maximum.

 

If your roster is over the maximum, you aren't allowed to make any trades until your team is legal. Also, I don't believe teams can pick up free agents if their roster is already full. So, if your team is the only one that isn't full at the end of the draft, only your team could make any pick ups unless the other teams were dropping players to make room for their pick ups.

[bukie]

When is the draft going to start? I'm actually going to be in FL all next week for vacation (now, this was planned out a lot farther in advance than being in the league this year...), and am probably going to have limited internet access. From what I gather, I have the 10th pick in the first round, and if the draft starts, say, on March 1, it'd likely get to me at least once or twice before I get back.

 

I can text/pm my selections to someone drafting after me ahead of time if I have to, though, because I don't want to be the guy holding up the league this year. :P

[abuck1220]

I have the 10th pick in the first round, and if the draft starts, say, on March 1, it'd likely get to me at least once or twice before I get back.

 

ah, youthful optimism.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

When are we going to kick this off ? I think I'll post a poll so we can decide soon. I know we've all got various activities coming up in March...

[Guest]

I'm game for any time. Should we go ahead and get it kicked off on 3/1?

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm game for any time. Should we go ahead and get it kicked off on 3/1?

 

still need to determine how to handle guys like darvish and cespedes. then we can begin.

[Guest]

I'm game for any time. Should we go ahead and get it kicked off on 3/1?

 

still need to determine how to handle guys like darvish and cespedes. then we can begin.

The rule in the past was:

 

A team can draft them in the major league phase, but if they go to the minors the team loses them. At which point, you'd get yourself a hell of a bonus for being at the top of the waiver wire.

 

Personally, I'm not wild about that rule in this situation - especially for Cespedes. The only way Darvish starts in the minors is if he's hurt. But Cespedes is probably 50/50 based on being signed by Oakland. It would be foolish to spend a first rounder on him, but then you're pretty much guaranteed that someone later in the draft will pick him on a flyer. He then wouldn't be in the minor league draft and would end up a waiver pickup, which seems ridiculous.

 

Here are what I see the options to be:

 

1) Forget the rule where those two have to start with their big league teams

2) Keep the rule, but also allow teams to draft the minor league rights in the minor league draft. Then if Cespedes starts in the minors to begin the year, the team who drafted him in the major league phase loses him and the team who drafted him in the minor league phase gets him.

3) just put them in the minor league phase

 

I could live with #1 or #2. I kind of like the additional strategy involved in #2, but will go with the crowd here.

[TruffleShuffle]

Here are what I see the options to be:

 

1) Forget the rule where those two have to start with their big league teams

2) Keep the rule, but also allow teams to draft the minor league rights in the minor league draft. Then if Cespedes starts in the minors to begin the year, the team who drafted him in the major league phase loses him and the team who drafted him in the minor league phase gets him.

3) just put them in the minor league phase

 

I could live with #1 or #2. I kind of like the additional strategy involved in #2, but will go with the crowd here.

 

i don't like #2 because if darvish suffers some kind of minor injury and makes a rehab start in the minors before coming up to the majors a week later, the person who selected him in the major league draft loses a potentially very valuable player on what is essentially a technicality. the problem i saw with #1 is that teams can just circumvent the minor league draft by picking a highly-rated international signee late in the major league draft. if you're one of the last teams picking in the major league draft, there's almost no incentive to pick a major league player rather than someone like soler or sano. you can just select, say, jorge soler, put him in the minors and pick up whoever you would have selected with that late round pick. worst case scenario, you end up with someone slightly worse than the mediocre player you would have selected. and you grab a top 50 prospect for nothing.

 

jeff had a suggestion that i agreed with - all IFA are available to be selected in the major league draft, but if they're selected there then they must stay on your major league roster. with someone like darvish there's almost no risk. cespedes there is a little risk, but also the reward of having a potentially valuable player in his prime for 4 exempt seasons. a guy like soler, you'd be really hard pressed to select him in the major league draft and then keep him on your bench for 2 years while he develops in the minors.

[Guest]

The problem with that one is that someone has to remember a year and a half from now that Soler was selected in the major league phase.

[TruffleShuffle]

it's really not that tough. bukie made a list of the IFA signings during this offseason and there were 8 names on it. the only ones who would likely be selected in the major league phase would be darvish and cespedes.... maybe that mariners pitcher from japan. there might be one or two names we'll have to keep track of.

 

i think it's a lot better system than everyone using their late round major league draft picks on 16 to 19 year old bonus babies from the dominican republican and venezuela.

[bukie]

I'd propose a slight modification to that idea, Bob: The player must remain on a team's major league roster for that year. If, at the end of that year, the player is still minor league eligible, they can go back onto the minor league roster for that team for keeper purposes. If an international FA doesn't get drafted in the major league draft, they are eligible for the minor league draft.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd propose a slight modification to that idea, Bob: The player must remain on a team's major league roster for that year. If, at the end of that year, the player is still minor league eligible, they can go back onto the minor league roster for that team for keeper purposes. If an international FA doesn't get drafted in the major league draft, they are eligible for the minor league draft.

 

that works for me.

[Guest]

I don't think I like this idea being applied to ALL ifa's. It feels to me like the vast majority of international FA's will now get treated totally different from the draft prospects. Why should Soler be treated differently from Rendon? Where they stand is likely very similar at this point.

 

I've liked the rule we have in place for dealing with the Japanese stars coming over. It's really Cespedes that is throwing a wrench into things. He's in a weird semi-prospect state at this point.

 

I guess I could get behind the rule if we created the list of people subject to it prior to each draft and then treated all other IFA (the kids) as usual.

[TruffleShuffle]

I don't think I like this idea being applied to ALL ifa's. It feels to me like the vast majority of international FA's will now get treated totally different from the draft prospects. Why should Soler be treated differently from Rendon? Where they stand is likely very similar at this point.

 

right, but why should darvish be treated differently than, say, lorenzo cain? if i draft cain and the royals farm him out to start the year, i can do the same. but if darvish starts the season in AAA for some reason, i just lose him? seems ridiculously punitive to the original drafter of darvish.

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I don't think I like this idea being applied to ALL ifa's. It feels to me like the vast majority of international FA's will now get treated totally different from the draft prospects. Why should Soler be treated differently from Rendon? Where they stand is likely very similar at this point.

 

I've liked the rule we have in place for dealing with the Japanese stars coming over. It's really Cespedes that is throwing a wrench into things. He's in a weird semi-prospect state at this point.

 

I guess I could get behind the rule if we created the list of people subject to it prior to each draft and then treated all other IFA (the kids) as usual.

 

B/c Soler is different than Rendon. He's a FA. But we have no way to account for IFAs that are likely to be in the minors. So if some team thinks it's worth drafting Soler and keeping him on the bench in the majors all year, then so be it. I don't think we'll have too many instances of guys drafting obviously IFA prospects in the ML draft.

 

But it gives teams the option of taking a shot at a guy like Cespedes in the ML draft while having a penalty (must keep them on the ML bench) that isn't insanely harsh (lose the player altogether). It's a 1-size fits all rule that makes sense, imo.

[Guest]

I don't think I like this idea being applied to ALL ifa's. It feels to me like the vast majority of international FA's will now get treated totally different from the draft prospects. Why should Soler be treated differently from Rendon? Where they stand is likely very similar at this point.

 

I've liked the rule we have in place for dealing with the Japanese stars coming over. It's really Cespedes that is throwing a wrench into things. He's in a weird semi-prospect state at this point.

 

I guess I could get behind the rule if we created the list of people subject to it prior to each draft and then treated all other IFA (the kids) as usual.

 

B/c Soler is different than Rendon. He's a FA. But we have no way to account for IFAs that are likely to be in the minors. So if some team thinks it's worth drafting Soler and keeping him on the bench in the majors all year, then so be it. I don't think we'll have too many instances of guys drafting obviously IFA prospects in the ML draft.

 

But it gives teams the option of taking a shot at a guy like Cespedes in the ML draft while having a penalty (must keep them on the ML bench) that isn't insanely harsh (lose the player altogether). It's a 1-size fits all rule that makes sense, imo.

Well, assuming Soler signs somewhere, he'll be in the same situation as Rendon.

 

I guess I should weigh in on that, as well. If he's not signed by the time we start the minor league draft, he'll be ineligible until the 2013 draft.