Jeff Suppan is out!

[UMFan83]

That Mariner lineup he faced last night has to be one of the worst American League lineups I've seen in a long time. Going off just batting average they have Ichiro hitting .341 with the next highest averages at .283 and .275. The next highest after that? .232! Thats with a DH in their lineup, unreal.

 

Can't be worse than the Cubs lineup

 

1B - .688 OPS

2B - .633 OPS

SS - .650 OPS

3B - .517 OPS

C - .558 OPS

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LF - .889 OPS

CF - .909 OPS

RF - .969 OPS

 

I know you said AL lineup but I wanted to take the opportunity to point out how awful the Cubs IF is hitting vs. the Cubs outfield.

[baseballfan50]

I'm satisfied with Suppan's performance. Four innings isn't a lot, but he did throw eighty pitches. He had a rough start, but he was still better than the rookies we've tried. One run on four hits isn't bad. I realize the Mariners lineup isn't the best out there, but it was a decent start nonetheless. He did a lot better than I expected.

[Keener98]

I'm satisfied with Suppan's performance. Four innings isn't a lot, but he did throw eighty pitches. He had a rough start, but he was still better than the rookies we've tried. One run on four hits isn't bad. I realize the Mariners lineup isn't the best out there, but it was a decent start nonetheless. He did a lot better than I expected.

 

It thats not the understatement of the century I dont know what is .

[Guest]

Suppan better thank God that he was facing the Mariners in a somewhat pitcher friendly park. His fastball averaged 87.11 MPH and topped out at 88.9.

 

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc5/nonprofitcow/sup.gif

 

87 MPH fastballs and cutters catching that much of the plate are going to get hit hard. Actually, I can't really remember any balls put in play that weren't hit hard.

That's hilarious. That is an exact picture of what a pitcher with lousy control aiming for the middle of the zone would look like.

[Guest]

I'm satisfied with Suppan's performance. Four innings isn't a lot, but he did throw eighty pitches. He had a rough start, but he was still better than the rookies we've tried. One run on four hits isn't bad. I realize the Mariners lineup isn't the best out there, but it was a decent start nonetheless. He did a lot better than I expected.

There's a significant difference between pitching well and having good results.

 

Guess which was the case here

[baseballfan50]

I'm not saying that he's going to be successful, but it could have been much worse. Our rookie pitchers we've used to fill the spaces weren't any better. Lohse will be out a while, and Penny likely won't be back this month.

 

We'll see on Sunday when Suppan starts against the A's.

[17 Seconds]

he's an atrocious pitcher any way you look at it

 

and oakland has an atrocious offense also

[cardslesson101]

If he could have gone to the 5th inning and not have Tony yank him, the Cardinals wouldn't be losing right now. But of course, he brings in Hawksworth after Salas. :banghead:

[Formerly Snayke]

I'm more annoyed by the double switch with Holliday and Stavinoha. If you aren't going to use Aaron Miles, then why is he even on the roster? Nobody wastes roster spots like La Russa.

[cardslesson101]

I know this maybe a dumb idea, Snayke, but why not reacquire Weaver from the Dodgers? He's been a good reliever and he's better than Hawksworth.

[17 Seconds]

suppan couldn't even go 5 innings against the mariners and a's?

[baseballfan50]

So far with the Cardinals

W	L	ERA	G	IP	H	R	ER	HR	HB	BB	SO	AVG	WHIP	
0	0	3.12	2	8.2	11	3	3	2	0	3	6	.324	1.62	

 

It's not bad. It's still much better than was expected, and he's been better than the rookies we had starting.

 

He still hasn't gone more than 4 2/3. May just be for precautionary reasons, since, until he came here, he hadn't started since April. Once (and it'll be a while) Penny and Lohse are both back, Suppan may find himself in the bullpen anyway (if he pitches well enough). The early signs are encouraging, but it is early. There wasn't much better alternative, unless you wanted to give up a bunch of prospects in a trade. I still like the move. He's low-risk anyway. The more he pitches the better idea we will have as to if he is any good. But it's a decent way to start.

[Guest]

Or in other words, he's getting hit all over the place with a super high WHIP, BAA, and home run rate, he can't go even 5 IP, and he's done it against possibly the 2 worst offenses in the game.

 

Success!

[baseballfan50]

I'm saying so far he's better than our alternatives. We could have traded for somebody, but that would further deplete our depleted farm system. Penny may be back in the next few weeks, so that will give us some relief from our fifth spot starter. If/when Lohse is back, Suppan will likely need to be moved. That said, with injured pitchers, there are always a lot of uncertainties. Suppan's next start is against Kansas City, then likely Arizona, Colorado, Houston, Dodgers, Chicago (July 23), Mets, Houston, Cincinnati, 8/15 against the Cubs, Giants, Nationals, Astros, Brewers, Braves, Padres, Pirates, Pirates, and Colorado. It'll be interesting to see how he does, but it's hard to say when for sure he will be starting. In July, Penny may be back, so Suppan may be moved around in the order.

[JonJayCutler]

I'm saying so far he's better than our alternatives. We could have traded for somebody, but that would further deplete our depleted farm system.

 

Is the Cards' farm system so bad that there is really no better alternative? I can immediately think of at least 8-10 Cubs farm pitchers who I'd rather start a game than Jeff Suppan. He's that bad.

[baseballfan50]

We had Walters start, as well as another rookie I think. Any rookie we started was not much better than Suppan has been so far. From my understanding, there aren't really any pitching prospects that the team wants to call up to pitch. Either the prospect is not ready or is just not very good. You don't want to bring up a minor league player too early anyway.

 

Suppan is a decent fill-in for the time being. He was also low-risk. And the young pitchers that were near the Major League Level just weren't getting the job done.

 

Obviously stats aren't everything, but PJ Walters did start two games this season. He's 0-1 with a 7.94 ERA. Granted, he has pitched 17 innings, about twice what Suppan has done. In those two days he gave up 15 runs. He is only 25, but he may need some more time in the minors.

 

Hawksworth has pitched in 22 games. His overall ERA is 5.63. He may fill in some as the fifth starter too. He's been used quite a bit in the bullpen this year. We all have Motte and Boggs, both in the bullpen. Motte is good. Boggs has been okay, too.

 

Another reason to have Suppan in the rotation is that, for the time being anyway, you need two fill-in starters. You don't necessarily have the ready prospects to fill both of those spots. You also don't want to take pitchers out of the bullpen if starting is only temporary.

[ELCABALLO45]

Jeff Suppan sucks. He is not a low risk. He is a high risk because there is a high risk he will suck.

 

Ps - He sucks

[Little Slide Rooter]

That Mariner lineup he faced last night has to be one of the worst American League lineups I've seen in a long time. Going off just batting average they have Ichiro hitting .341 with the next highest averages at .283 and .275. The next highest after that? .232! Thats with a DH in their lineup, unreal.

 

Can't be worse than the Cubs lineup

 

1B - .688 OPS

2B - .633 OPS

SS - .650 OPS

3B - .517 OPS

C - .558 OPS

-----------------

LF - .889 OPS

CF - .909 OPS

RF - .969 OPS

 

I know you said AL lineup but I wanted to take the opportunity to point out how awful the Cubs IF is hitting vs. the Cubs outfield.

 

If Lou would play his .871 OPSing catcer over the .553 OPSing one more often, and the .772 OPSing 2B over the .632 one, we might have a better offense, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts wed all have a merry christmas. But hey, when we get Aramis back to full form, it will be as good as making a big trade, right? right?

[baseballfan50]

Jeff Suppan sucks. He is not a low risk. He is a high risk because there is a high risk he will suck.

 

Ps - He sucks

 

Eh. We'll just have to wait and see how he does. If anybody can work a miracle, Dave Duncan can. Sometimes a change of scenery also helps.

[NonProfitCow]

Jeff Suppan sucks. He is not a low risk. He is a high risk because there is a high risk he will suck.

 

Ps - He sucks

this man speaks the truth

[Formerly Snayke]

I know this maybe a dumb idea, Snayke, but why not reacquire Weaver from the Dodgers? He's been a good reliever and he's better than Hawksworth.

 

Nah. They don't need any relievers and fans don't need Mozeliak putting the band back together.

[cardslesson101]

I know this maybe a dumb idea, Snayke, but why not reacquire Weaver from the Dodgers? He's been a good reliever and he's better than Hawksworth.

 

Nah. They don't need any relievers and fans don't need Mozeliak putting the band back together.

 

 

I'd rather have Weaver over Hawksworth...

[NonProfitCow]

I know this maybe a dumb idea, Snayke, but why not reacquire Weaver from the Dodgers? He's been a good reliever and he's better than Hawksworth.

 

Nah. They don't need any relievers and fans don't need Mozeliak putting the band back together.

 

 

I'd rather have Weaver over Hawksworth...

Who gives a [expletive]? And what does it have to do with anything?

[baseballfan50]

Trading for a pitcher is not as ideal, as it would require more prospects.

 

Our bullpen has been good overall. We need a good starter, hopefully temporarily.

[Formerly Snayke]

Man, reading stuff people are writing to try and justify Suppan is hilarious.

 

ICE, when someone knocks you for making a snide comment about Suppan, just remind them of all the cattiness when Anthony Reyes pitched.