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So... you recognize that the manager gets way too much blame/credit, but you're ok with Lou getting a large amount of blame for this Cubs team? That seems ignorant.

 

I think you should learn a new word other than ignorant.

 

Getting too much of the blame is part of the job. Piniella knows that and expects that and isn't bothered by it. Perhaps he should only be blamed for what he can directly control which is making out the lineup card, pitching changes and substitutions. Seems to me Piniella has done pretty poorly in all 3 of those facets.

 

Maybe I'm missing something. There seems to be a notion that Lou is not using Marshall properly. I think you guys are taking one instance yesterday where Lou used Grabow instead of Marshall and blowing it out of proportion. Marshall has pitched in 21 out of 39 games so far this year. I would have preferred to see Marshall in Grabow's spot yesterday and in the long run it probably would have helped Marshall. Maybe he would have only had to pitch one inning instead of two. However, you can't act like it's crazy for Lou to want to rest a reliever that's been used in more than half of the games so far this year.

 

umm, you know that marshall ended up pitching 2 innings in that game, right?

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So... you recognize that the manager gets way too much blame/credit, but you're ok with Lou getting a large amount of blame for this Cubs team? That seems ignorant.

 

I think you should learn a new word other than ignorant.

 

Getting too much of the blame is part of the job. Piniella knows that and expects that and isn't bothered by it. Perhaps he should only be blamed for what he can directly control which is making out the lineup card, pitching changes and substitutions. Seems to me Piniella has done pretty poorly in all 3 of those facets.

 

Maybe I'm missing something. There seems to be a notion that Lou is not using Marshall properly. I think you guys are taking one instance yesterday where Lou used Grabow instead of Marshall and blowing it out of proportion. Marshall has pitched in 21 out of 39 games so far this year. I would have preferred to see Marshall in Grabow's spot yesterday and in the long run it probably would have helped Marshall. Maybe he would have only had to pitch one inning instead of two. However, you can't act like it's crazy for Lou to want to rest a reliever that's been used in more than half of the games so far this year.

 

umm, you know that marshall ended up pitching 2 innings in that game, right?

 

 

That was what I was saying.

 

"I would have preferred to see Marshall in Grabow's spot yesterday and in the long run it probably would have helped Marshall. Maybe he would have only had to pitch one inning instead of two."

 

To word it better, in a vacuum I would have preferred Marshall to come in during the 7th. If he had come in during the 7th, maybe he would have pitched one inning instead of the two innings he ended up pitching.

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Yes, getting too much of the blame is part of the job. However, you already acknowledged that he's getting too much blame but you are purposely ignoring that fact and continue to place that superfluous blame on him. I guess I don't know a word meaning the act of purposely ignoring something. Contradictory doesn't seem right.

 

What superflous blame did I place on him? I said that he deserves blame for being bad at the things that he can control. He keeps using Grabow in close situations when he hasn't been effective all year. He hasn't dropped Ramirez to the 8th spot until he starts hitting again. He plays Hill for his "defense" even though the offense is struggling to score runs and Soto is so much better. Those are just some of things that he could control that he has done poorly.

 

You agreed that being blamed for the other things is part of his job. So I don't see how I'm ignoring anything.

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Nobody here is making Lou the only scapegoat.

 

You're right. According to this board 99% of the problems with the Cubs this year is Lou and Hendry.

 

That would be true, if you ignored all of the points about Lee and Aramis starting off the season horrendously and the issues with the talent level in the bullpen. But the bulk of the blame should lie with Hendry. That said, it's silly to act like Lou is getting unfair blame here. Managers can negatively impact a team far more than they can positively, and Lou is basically a textbook example of that.

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Nobody here is making Lou the only scapegoat.

 

You're right. According to this board 99% of the problems with the Cubs this year is Lou and Hendry.

 

That would be true, if you ignored all of the points about Lee and Aramis starting off the season horrendously and the issues with the talent level in the bullpen. But the bulk of the blame should lie with Hendry. That said, it's silly to act like Lou is getting unfair blame here. Managers can negatively impact a team far more than they can positively, and Lou is basically a textbook example of that.

 

I'm sure it was Stan Fat Gundy's fault that Reddick didn't call a time out last night right?.

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The return of the vote of confidence:

 

"I have no intention of firing Lou Piniella," Hendry said Wednesday. "Lou and I have a great relationship. Lou has done a lot of good things here. We're just going through a tough snag. It's the middle of June. I still feel comfortable we're capable of getting back in it.

 

"We've never talked about his future after this year. It never has been discussed and I don't think he or I feel like we're going to be doing that anyway. He's fine with me. The guy has done a lot of great things in this game for a long time."

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The return of the vote of confidence:

 

"I have no intention of firing Lou Piniella," Hendry said Wednesday. "Lou and I have a great relationship. Lou has done a lot of good things here. We're just going through a tough snag. It's the middle of June. I still feel comfortable we're capable of getting back in it.

 

"We've never talked about his future after this year. It never has been discussed and I don't think he or I feel like we're going to be doing that anyway. He's fine with me. The guy has done a lot of great things in this game for a long time."

 

Hendry must not be watching many games.

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