Chicago Bulls Playoffs Thread

illiniguy · April 21, 2010

but seriously, cleveland has any number of flip murray-level scrubs on the floor at once.

can't wait until they disappoint again.
I think they at least make the finals. The Magis were a problem for them when they had Hedo. Now that they don't have that mismatch in their advantage I think Cleveland beats them.
Ah yes, Hedo who has torn it up with the Raptors this year. And Vince Carter who's done nothing at all for the Magic.

They are even better than they were last year, fear the Magic.

They also have a healthy and effective Jameer Nelson who wasn't at their disposal last ECF

I know Hedo has sucked this year, I thought he would. He can't be a team's first or second best player. That's why he worked so well for Orlando. All he had to do was wait around all year and then be a huge matchup problem for Cleveland. Please tell me you haven't forgot how the Magic cleared out and let him go one on one against Cleveland everytime they needed a big bucket last year?

chuckywang · April 21, 2010

In the spirit of non-sensical athlete moves day, why don't we move Rose to the bench and start Pargo?

Wilson A2000 · April 21, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.

WrigleyField 22 · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.

Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

Sammy Sofa · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

Totally agree on hoping they end up with Bosh as opposed to Wade.

Is that $4.3 million with the raised cap?

Wilson A2000 · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

I don't give two craps about bang for the buck. I want the best team and the Bulls have plenty of money to spend.

WrigleyField 22 · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

I don't give two craps about bang for the buck. I want the best team and the Bulls have plenty of money to spend.

Well, sorry, bang for buck was a stupid term to use in this context because Wade and Bosh will both get the same MAX contract. Bosh will make us a better team than Wade, despite the fact that Wade is probably a bit better. Just not as good of a fit.

The reason I originally said bang for buck was because I was thinking about other PF options such as Boozer, Lee, and Amare. Bosh will provide to be more valuable than them as well, and potentially cheaper as well.

Sammy Sofa · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

I don't give two craps about bang for the buck. I want the best team and the Bulls have plenty of money to spend.

Bosh would probably make the Bulls better more than if they added Wade.

Wilson A2000 · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

I don't give two craps about bang for the buck. I want the best team and the Bulls have plenty of money to spend.
Well, sorry, bang for buck was a stupid term to use in this context because Wade and Bosh will both get the same MAX contract. Bosh will make us a better team than Wade, despite the fact that Wade is probably a bit better. Just not as good of a fit.

The reason I originally said bang for buck was because I was thinking about other PF options such as Boozer, Lee, and Amare. Bosh will provide to be more valuable than them as well, and potentially cheaper as well.

If it is between Bosh and Wade I want Bosh too. The Bulls desperately need a low post presence. But the team can't win a championship adding just Bosh unless LeBron goes to a terrible team like NY or NJ. So I am looking for a way to get two guys: a 4 and a 2.

WrigleyField 22 · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

Totally agree on hoping they end up with Bosh as opposed to Wade.

Is that $4.3 million with the raised cap?

Yes, it is based on a 56.1M cap figure. It also assumes that Chris Richard's salary next year is completely unguranteed, which I assume it is. At worst, you'd have to add an additional cap liability of $380,785, which is the difference of having Richard's salary as a cap hold, and having the minimum salary as a cap hold.

Chris Bosh_________$16,568,908

Luol Deng__________$11,345,000

Kirk Hinrich_________$9,000,000

Derrick Rose________$5,546,160

Free Agent_________$4,483,100

Joakim Noah________$3,128,536

James Johnson______$1,713,600

#17 Pick____________$1,302,600

Taj Gibson__________$1,117,680

Min Cap Hold_________$473,604

Total Salary_______$56,100,000

Edited April 22, 2010 by WrigleyField 22

Wilson A2000 · April 22, 2010

But the 17 pick is going to Milwaukee right? Or does Milwaukee just have the option of taking it?

Man that Deng and Hinrich money really looks bad.

WrigleyField 22 · April 22, 2010

But the 17 pick is going to Milwaukee right? Or does Milwaukee just have the option of taking it?

Man that Deng and Hinrich money really looks bad.

Milwaukee has the right to swap their pick (#17) with our pick (#15), which they will do.

April 22, 2010

As Fisher continues to suck, Laker fans continue to clamor for Hinrich. I'd love to get out from that contract this offseason.

WrigleyField 22 · April 22, 2010

As Fisher continues to suck, Laker fans continue to clamor for Hinrich. I'd love to get out from that contract this offseason.

Only if we are getting something useful out of it. If it's just for salary fillers, I'l pass. Hinrich will not hurt us in our ability to retain Rose or Noah, so dumping him only hurts our team.

April 22, 2010

As Fisher continues to suck, Laker fans continue to clamor for Hinrich. I'd love to get out from that contract this offseason.
Only if we are getting something useful out of it. If it's just for salary fillers, I'l pass. Hinrich will not hurt us in our ability to retain Rose or Noah, so dumping him only hurts our team.

Oh, I agree.

Sammy Sofa · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

Totally agree on hoping they end up with Bosh as opposed to Wade.

Is that $4.3 million with the raised cap?
Yes, it is based on a 56.1M cap figure. It also assumes that Chris Richard's salary next year is completely unguranteed, which I assume it is. At worst, you'd have to add an additional cap liability of $380,785, which is the difference of having Richard's salary as a cap hold, and having the minimum salary as a cap hold.
Chris Bosh_________$16,568,908
Luol Deng__________$11,345,000
Kirk Hinrich_________$9,000,000
Derrick Rose________$5,546,160
Free Agent_________$4,483,100
Joakim Noah________$3,128,536
James Johnson______$1,713,600
#17 Pick____________$1,302,600
Taj Gibson__________$1,117,680
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Total Salary_______$56,100,000

Thanks for that breakdown!

Wilson A2000 · April 22, 2010

As Fisher continues to suck, Laker fans continue to clamor for Hinrich. I'd love to get out from that contract this offseason.

Kirk as a PG? Yuck. He will dribble the ball around until 5 seconds are left on the shot clock every possession. Can Shannon Brown play PG?

UMFan83 · April 22, 2010

Wade has expressed some discontent with his team this series. Maybe that increases his chances of coming to the Bulls. I am looking for some way for the Bulls to get a top line guy like Wade and a second tier free agent. Would a Wade/Boozer pickup be financially possible? If they managed that, they should be considered NBA title contenders.
Not without a sign in trade in which Deng or Hinrich and some combination went out in exchange.

I don't want Wade though to be perfectly honest. Him and Rose's skills will not compliment each other at all and each will be less effective. If the Bulls want the best bang for their buck this offseason (outside of Lebron of course) they should target Bosh as their main FA. Him and Ros playing pick and roll would be awesome. Just add some additional shooters and defenders. After signing Wade or Bosh by the way, we'd have roughly $4.3M to spend on another FA piece.

Totally agree on hoping they end up with Bosh as opposed to Wade.

Is that $4.3 million with the raised cap?
Yes, it is based on a 56.1M cap figure. It also assumes that Chris Richard's salary next year is completely unguranteed, which I assume it is. At worst, you'd have to add an additional cap liability of $380,785, which is the difference of having Richard's salary as a cap hold, and having the minimum salary as a cap hold.
Chris Bosh_________$16,568,908
Luol Deng__________$11,345,000
Kirk Hinrich_________$9,000,000
Derrick Rose________$5,546,160
Free Agent_________$4,483,100
Joakim Noah________$3,128,536
James Johnson______$1,713,600
#17 Pick____________$1,302,600
Taj Gibson__________$1,117,680
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Min Cap Hold_________$473,604
Total Salary_______$56,100,000

Thanks for that breakdown!

Then all we have to do is convince Atlanta that they desperately need Luol Deng and pull off a sign and trade for Joe Johnson, or get a 3rd team involved.

The thing that worries me about someone like Johnson is that with NYK out there and able to afford 2 max FAs, they will pretty much make every big name out there (including Johnson, Stoudemire, and maybe even Boozer) a max FA. Because if Miami resigns Wade, Cleveland keeps LeBron, NYK is pretty much going to throw money at people until they get 2 FAs

Sammy Sofa · April 22, 2010

NYK is pretty much going to throw money at people until they get 2 FAs

Sure, but the Bulls only need to get 1. It's not like the Knicks have a higher max amount they can offer. Let's say Bosh is deciding between the Knicks and the Bulls: both teams can pay him the same. Sure, the Knicks may have also signed someone like a Joe Johnson, but the Bulls already have Rose and Noah. The Knicks aren't really going to blow away anyone in terms of being a destination unless that first max FA is LeBron.

UMFan83 · April 22, 2010

NYK is pretty much going to throw money at people until they get 2 FAs

Sure, but the Bulls only need to get 1. It's not like the Knicks have a higher max amount they can offer. Let's say Bosh is deciding between the Knicks and the Bulls: both teams can pay him the same. Sure, the Knicks may have also signed someone like a Joe Johnson, but the Bulls already have Rose and Noah. The Knicks aren't really going to blow away anyone in terms of being a destination unless that first max FA is LeBron.

Well most likely if Bosh says that he's signing with Toronto unless another team works out a sign and trade for him so he can get his max money, the Bulls are obviously better of there too with actual pieces to offer. And yes the pieces probably matter on paper, but who knows if thats rock solid when FA actually occurs. It's always possible a FA would take the allure of NY over a better situation in Chicago. Not as likely but possible.

Edited April 22, 2010 by UMFan83

WrigleyField 22 · April 22, 2010

NYK is pretty much going to throw money at people until they get 2 FAs

Sure, but the Bulls only need to get 1. It's not like the Knicks have a higher max amount they can offer. Let's say Bosh is deciding between the Knicks and the Bulls: both teams can pay him the same. Sure, the Knicks may have also signed someone like a Joe Johnson, but the Bulls already have Rose and Noah. The Knicks aren't really going to blow away anyone in terms of being a destination unless that first max FA is LeBron.

Yes, but they will drive up the prices of players who might not really be deserving of a max contract. Just hope we land Bosh though, and we don't have to worry about it.

Wilson A2000 · April 22, 2010

I have heard a bunch of people say they only thing that NBA players want is a fat contract, but I have heard two people (Wade and Bosh) say that they didn't like the effort their team plays with and indirectly they want to win. This is good for the Bulls if it draws people away from NY/NJ and to Chicago. Boers and Bernstein said that these playoffs don't mean anything because the Bulls have no chance of winning a championship. I agree, but if the Bulls continue to fight and show some FAs that they are close to really putting something together, it just might draw one in that was unexpected.

Wilson A2000 · April 22, 2010

Do we know if NJ can legally offer LeBron part ownership of the team to draw him in? How good could NJ be with LeBron, Wall or Turner, and a bunch of scrubs?

WrigleyField 22 · April 22, 2010

Do we know if NJ can legally offer LeBron part ownership of the team to draw him in? How good could NJ be with LeBron, Wall or Turner, and a bunch of scrubs?

They can't.

Sammy Sofa · April 22, 2010

NYK is pretty much going to throw money at people until they get 2 FAs

Sure, but the Bulls only need to get 1. It's not like the Knicks have a higher max amount they can offer. Let's say Bosh is deciding between the Knicks and the Bulls: both teams can pay him the same. Sure, the Knicks may have also signed someone like a Joe Johnson, but the Bulls already have Rose and Noah. The Knicks aren't really going to blow away anyone in terms of being a destination unless that first max FA is LeBron.
Yes, but they will drive up the prices of players who might not really be deserving of a max contract.

True, though if the Bulls don't get any of the guys who actually deserve max contracts then it's a failure regardless.

Chicago Bulls Playoffs Thread

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Guest

Guest

Create an account or sign in to comment

Create an account

Sign in

Member Statistics

Prospect News & Highlights

Recent News

Notes & Rumors

Recent Blogs