Are you for the Health Care bill?

[Skyballer]

Its certainly been a controversial bill, even after being passed the overwhelming majority of AG's have got their legal pens out ready to sign to sue the federal government over it. Between its length(I'll be surprised if most congressmen have read it through), its constitutionality, its cost, and the issue of government funded abortion it has quickly become seemingly one of the least approved bills to make it through Congress.

 

Where does NSBB stand?

Edited March 23, 2010 by Skyballer

[Sammy Sofa]

So at least 25 state AG's are preparing to try and take legal action?

[Skyballer]

So at least 25 state AG's are preparing to try and take legal action?

Last I read it was something like 37.

[Sammy Sofa]

Hah, really? What a bunch of morons.

[javy knows my name]

YESSS I evened it out

[Skyballer]

Hah, really? What a bunch of morons.

Yea damn then and their constitutional rights. How dare we be upset that the federal govt is now forcing every american by 2014 to have health insurance or pay a fine. This violates the commerce clause, the tenth amendment and probably even the first. Those damned state and their rights. Just as bad as those damned people who are against socialism, morons.

[CubbieBum]

This bill will eventually lead to the companies being taken out of the medical industry and thus no more gauging the people for something that should be a right not a privilege.

[Skyballer]

This bill will eventually lead to the companies being taken out of the medical industry and thus no more gauging the people for something that should be a right not a privilege.

Or an over crowded system like Canada. "You need and MRI, we'll book you for one in three months." The law will be a disaster. There's a reason every republican and even 34 democrats voted against it. Most polls show the majority of the people are against it. It is also a direct violation of capitalism, free choice, and state's rights.

[CubbieBum]

This bill will eventually lead to the companies being taken out of the medical industry and thus no more gauging the people for something that should be a right not a privilege.

Or an over crowded system like Canada. "You need and MRI, we'll book you for one in three months." The law will be a disaster. There's a reason every republican and even 34 democrats voted against it. Most polls show the majority of the people are against it. It is also a direct violation of capitalism, free choice, and state's rights.

 

People shouldn't die or go without adequate treatment because they don't have thousands of dollars. Oh and I don't get caught up much in the free choice crap when it comes to this. Most people don't have a choice. They either have lots of money, can get huge loans or can't and much go without. People should have to be faced with that choice.

[Skyballer]

This bill will eventually lead to the companies being taken out of the medical industry and thus no more gauging the people for something that should be a right not a privilege.

Or an over crowded system like Canada. "You need and MRI, we'll book you for one in three months." The law will be a disaster. There's a reason every republican and even 34 democrats voted against it. Most polls show the majority of the people are against it. It is also a direct violation of capitalism, free choice, and state's rights.

 

People shouldn't die or go without adequate treatment because they don't have thousands of dollars. Oh and I don't get caught up much in the free choice crap when it comes to this. Most people don't have a choice. They either have lots of money, can get huge loans or can't and much go without. People should have to be faced with that choice.

A hospital can't refuse treatment. I'm not saying thats a fix all to the flawed system, but this is a disastrous, and violates several core principles our country was based upon.

[mhuber92211]

taking a simpler approach...why do I have to pay for your health care?

 

Apparently 1/3 of Americans get their health insurance via their jobs. Those who don't either get the medical bills and than declare bankruptcy (apparently upwards of 2/3 of all personal bankruptcy is medical bill related - I guess good credit is needed now?) or just simply are not insured and take the risks.

 

It seems like the 1/3 of the people are being forced to pay for those who don't have it. I just wonder what other things we won't get to make our own life decisions for. What's next, a child limit? a Standardized test to tell you what to do with your life?

 

For those who say it is a right to get medical coverage, that is incorrect. It is a privilege. This is why for many years, health insurance was termed as a "Fringe" benefit. What is a "right" is that if you have the means, you help others. However, it should be a "right" for people to choose what help to give. That is freedom...inherently a choice. Where are people's choices here?

[CubbieBum]

taking a simpler approach...why do I have to pay for your health care?

 

Apparently 1/3 of Americans get their health insurance via their jobs. Those who don't either get the medical bills and than declare bankruptcy (apparently upwards of 2/3 of all personal bankruptcy is medical bill related - I guess good credit is needed now?) or just simply are not insured and take the risks.

 

It seems like the 1/3 of the people are being forced to pay for those who don't have it. I just wonder what other things we won't get to make our own life decisions for. What's next, a child limit? a Standardized test to tell you what to do with your life?

 

For those who say it is a right to get medical coverage, that is incorrect. It is a privilege. This is why for many years, health insurance was termed as a "Fringe" benefit. What is a "right" is that if you have the means, you help others. However, it should be a "right" for people to choose what help to give. That is freedom...inherently a choice. Where are people's choices here?

 

Selfish. We should all help each other so that we can all get treatment when needed.

 

You even provide a great statistic in favor of this. 2/3's of all the people who file bankruptcy do so due to medical expenses? Do you realize how f-ed up that is. It's as f-ed up as most of our countries citizen's being OK with that continuing.

[cubsfan5150]

Makes no difference to me as I'm in the Air Force, and I've been dealing with government health care for the past 10 years.

[Derwood]

you know a thread is a train wreck when Da Bum has the sanest posts

[Hairyducked Idiot]

taking a simpler approach...why do I have to pay for your health care?

 

Because you are part of a society that has raised, enriched and protected you from birth. You didn't plow out into an unknown frontier and make your fortune from scratch. You earned it within a complex, artificial system. That comes with both privileges and responsibilities, and part of the responsibilities is paying for a basic standard of living for other people. And that includes health care.

[Exile on Waveland]

taking a simpler approach...why do I have to pay for your health care?

 

Apparently 1/3 of Americans get their health insurance via their jobs. Those who don't either get the medical bills and than declare bankruptcy (apparently upwards of 2/3 of all personal bankruptcy is medical bill related - I guess good credit is needed now?) or just simply are not insured and take the risks.

 

It seems like the 1/3 of the people are being forced to pay for those who don't have it.

 

Except the 2/3's that don't have employer provided health insurance are already subsidizing the 1/3 that do.

[CubbieBum]

taking a simpler approach...why do I have to pay for your health care?

 

Apparently 1/3 of Americans get their health insurance via their jobs. Those who don't either get the medical bills and than declare bankruptcy (apparently upwards of 2/3 of all personal bankruptcy is medical bill related - I guess good credit is needed now?) or just simply are not insured and take the risks.

 

It seems like the 1/3 of the people are being forced to pay for those who don't have it. I just wonder what other things we won't get to make our own life decisions for. What's next, a child limit? a Standardized test to tell you what to do with your life?

 

For those who say it is a right to get medical coverage, that is incorrect. It is a privilege. This is why for many years, health insurance was termed as a "Fringe" benefit. What is a "right" is that if you have the means, you help others. However, it should be a "right" for people to choose what help to give. That is freedom...inherently a choice. Where are people's choices here?

 

Sounds like Reagan. In a Utopian society the rich would help the poor but that has been proven in multiple industries to not be the case in this country. The rich use their wealth to take even more from the poor. When it comes to health care that type of crap shouldn't be allowed.

 

You say that those with the means should help others. If you truly believe that then why are we having to force them to do it? They aren't helping out when they can and thus aren't doing what they should. If you believe that they should be helping then why would you have an issue with making them help. You sound like a guy who refuses to look at it realistically and gets caught up in the "rights." Sure it would be nice to have a right to choose but we have given that to the wealthy for many years and they have abused that right which is why we are now taking it back.

[Skyballer]

Attorney General John Suthers of Colorado has confirmed he will join several states, at least 9 confirmed, I believe 20 or more pending, to sue the federal government over this bill. If half or more of the states feel their tenth amendment right as well as the people's right to commerce is being violated I think thats a pretty telling number that this bill was not reflecting the people, instead it is the reflection of democrat law makers. This country was built by the people and for the people. This law however is not a reflection of what the people want. Even the preamble of the constitution is being violated here.

[Derwood]

Attorney General John Suthers of Colorado has confirmed he will join several states, at least 9 confirmed, I believe 20 or more pending, to sue the federal government over this bill. If half or more of the states feel their tenth amendment right as well as the people's right to commerce is being violated I think thats a pretty telling number that this bill was not reflecting the people, instead it is the reflection of democrat law makers. This country was built by the people and for the people. This law however is not a reflection of what the people want. Even the preamble of the constitution is being violated here.

 

9 governors being against it reprsents the "will of the people" more than the congressmen who the people elected to represent them?

[CubbieBum]

Attorney General John Suthers of Colorado has confirmed he will join several states, at least 9 confirmed, I believe 20 or more pending, to sue the federal government over this bill. If half or more of the states feel their tenth amendment right as well as the people's right to commerce is being violated I think thats a pretty telling number that this bill was not reflecting the people, instead it is the reflection of democrat law makers. This country was built by the people and for the people. This law however is not a reflection of what the people want. Even the preamble of the constitution is being violated here.

 

9 governors being against it reprsents the "will of the people" more than the congressmen who the people elected to represent them?

 

Exactly. In order for the bill to pass a majority of the congressmen and Senators that we the people voted in had to vote in favor.

[Sammy Sofa]

Attorney General John Suthers of Colorado has confirmed he will join several states, at least 9 confirmed, I believe 20 or more pending, to sue the federal government over this bill. If half or more of the states feel their tenth amendment right as well as the people's right to commerce is being violated I think thats a pretty telling number that this bill was not reflecting the people, instead it is the reflection of democrat law makers. This country was built by the people and for the people. This law however is not a reflection of what the people want. Even the preamble of the constitution is being violated here.

 

Or it represents the will of the typically conservative state AG's.

[CubbieBum]

Attorney General John Suthers of Colorado has confirmed he will join several states, at least 9 confirmed, I believe 20 or more pending, to sue the federal government over this bill. If half or more of the states feel their tenth amendment right as well as the people's right to commerce is being violated I think thats a pretty telling number that this bill was not reflecting the people, instead it is the reflection of democrat law makers. This country was built by the people and for the people. This law however is not a reflection of what the people want. Even the preamble of the constitution is being violated here.

 

Or it represents the will of the typically conservative state AG's.

 

Did you really need to go and use logic?

[Sammy Sofa]

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT THESE ACTIVIST LAWMAKERS STICKING THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS IS MAKING ME MAD!

[Garwilly]

I've never heard of "violating The Preamble".

[Skyballer]

Only 30% polled feel the health care bill would help their families.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/159966.php

 

69% feel the quality of their health care will go down with the passing of the Health Care Act.

 

Only 49% were in support of fundamental change.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/159966.php

 

54% of voters oppose the health care act.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/159966.php

 

Only 25% feel the current bill should have been passed.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/159966.php

 

Im sorry I thought you were informed that the majority of Americans opposed this law. Now you are.