Re: Prospect Draft Discussion

[Guest]

we agreed we could move players to the major league roster. chuck, you're up!

 

We agreed that we could carry more than 10 guys on our major league squad? That makes absolutely no sense at all, Juan. And who exactly is the "we" that you are referring to that agreed that we can have more than 10 guys on our major league squad?

 

the players in this league. why does it not make sense?

[Guest]

we agreed we could move players to the major league roster. chuck, you're up!

 

We agreed that we could carry more than 10 guys on our major league squad? That makes absolutely no sense at all, Juan. And who exactly is the "we" that you are referring to that agreed that we can have more than 10 guys on our major league squad?

 

the players in this league. why does it not make sense?

 

Because we have managers dropping their minor leaguers in order to make room to add new ones. They are dropping them because they are already at the limit of major league players as well as their minor league. If we can move all of our minor leaguers to our major league teams without regard to the limit of 10 major league keepers, there is no reason for anyone to be dropping anyone.

 

ETA: I believe people were under the impression that you could move minor leaguers to your major league team under the assumption that you had room on your major league team for them. For example, DeShawn had only 7 major league keepers.

[Guest]

we agreed we could move players to the major league roster. chuck, you're up!

 

We agreed that we could carry more than 10 guys on our major league squad? That makes absolutely no sense at all, Juan. And who exactly is the "we" that you are referring to that agreed that we can have more than 10 guys on our major league squad?

 

the players in this league. why does it not make sense?

 

Because we have managers dropping their minor leaguers in order to make room to add new ones. They are dropping them because they are already at the limit of major league players as well as their minor league. If we can move all of our minor leaguers to our major league teams without regard to the limit of 10 major league keepers, there is no reason for anyone to be dropping anyone.

 

you are going to have to drop them after the draft so there is no advantage. why can't we have more than ten major leaguers after the draft?

[Guest]

Juan, you placed a limit of 10 minor leaguers. Managers have already started dropping players to make room to add new minor leaguers without upsetting the limit of 10 rule. If it's okay to just shift all of your minor leaguers to your major league team, there is no reason for anyone to be dropping any players during this portion of the draft.

[Guest]

Juan, you placed a limit of 10 minor leaguers. Managers have already started dropping players to make room to add new minor leaguers without upsetting the limit of 10 rule. If it's okay to just shift all of your minor leaguers to your major league team, there is no reason for anyone to be dropping any players during this portion of the draft.

 

who has dropped players? I guess I don't really see the problem - what advantage do you have to put them on your major league roster? They won't be able to keep them there - we have already gone through the keeper roster freeze. What is the sense in making people pick up prospects later?

[cbbryan]

I don't know who's up, but my pick is in.

[Guest]

deven is the only person who has dropped a player since the draft started.

[Guest]

I don't know who's up, but my pick is in.

that would be navin, then adam

[Guest]

deven is the only person who has dropped a player since the draft started.

 

Have you read the numerous posts that said that players were needing to be dropped in order to make another selection. I'm quite certain that if Tim can keep Niese on his major league team, he'd rather do that and then make his next pick.

 

And there was really no reason for us to wait on Deven all day long to drop someone if we are allowed to have as many players on our major league team as we want. I could move that guy to his major league team and made my pick a long time ago.

 

I don't believe I'm the only one that was under the impression that this draft required that we stay within 10 minor leaguers and 10 major leaguers. If we can just draft and move them to the majors, there really isn't a limit of 10 as was originally required. And that's fine if that's how you want it. That's what I originally wanted, but you wanted there to be a limit of 10 minor leaguers.

[Guest]

I don't know who's up, but my pick is in.

that would be navin, then adam

 

I'm here, but give me a couple of minutes to find my draft board.

 

I'd like to drop Jeff Clement when I make my pick.

[Guest]

you may be right that I confused myself Brian - admittedly I've kind of got a lot going on these days. I don't really see any benefit in moving minor leaguers up though since everyone will need a legal roster after the major league draft anyway.

[Guest]

you may be right that I confused myself Brian - admittedly I've kind of got a lot going on these days. I don't really see any benefit in moving minor leaguers up though since everyone will need a legal roster after the major league draft anyway.

 

I think there is a benefit to moving them to the major league team. I drafted David Freese. He's penciled in to be the starting 3b for the Cardinals this year. That's like getting a free draft pick. That's okay as long as I drafted him as a minor leaguer, but if I put him on my major league roster and then keep drafting beyond my 10 minor leaguers, and now I have say 13 or 14 major leaguers, I'm getting a jump start on filling out my roster which is an unfair advantage.

 

I don't want this to be a big deal. I just think we have to make sure that any dropped players can be added back to their respective teams if you do in fact feel we should be allowed to have more than 10 minor leaguers. We just need all of the managers on the same page rather than one team transferring those players to their major league team and other teams dropping players they would rather keep.

[Guest]

I guess I just don't see a big difference in promoting them now and making a pick as opposed to promoting the players later and picking up a minor leaguer through free agency. Even if Tim moves Niese up, he's just going to have to drop somebody later anyway, so what's the point? What advantage do you get from pushing that decision down the road two weeks? In the case of Freese, so you leave him down now and then in two weeks you move him up and pick up someone else? Is that really much of an advantage? I don't really see it at the talent level we are drafting.

[Quakers]

I could move a couple of my players up, but why???

 

I really want to see how they start the season. Many rookies start the year off slowly.

 

That being said, I am going to have bench issues in July. Wood, Maybin, Sizemore... they will be starting and once they reach 200abs...

[Guest]

I guess I just don't see a big difference in promoting them now and making a pick as opposed to promoting the players later and picking up a minor leaguer through free agency. Even if Tim moves Niese up, he's just going to have to drop somebody later anyway, so what's the point? What advantage do you get from pushing that decision down the road two weeks? In the case of Freese, so you leave him down now and then in two weeks you move him up and pick up someone else? Is that really much of an advantage? I don't really see it at the talent level we are drafting.

 

You are only expounding upon my original argument, so I'm not really arguing with you on this. I agree with you. We just need to make sure all the owners aren't dropping these players because they are doing so based on their own interpretation of the rules.

 

Here is my quote from the original prospect draft thread:

 

I have to agree with DeShawn about the limit of 5 picks or the inability to place them on the major league team. What is the purpose of these restrictions. In less than a month, we all need to be legal with your rosters anyway, so what's the point? Also, if someone has no minor leaguers left after the previous year promotions, why do they only get to add 5 players to their minor league roster? Are you saying that after 5 rounds, everyone else will just be a free agent and we are free to grab whoever we want to fill out the rest of our minor league teams? I have room for 4 right now, but there might be 7 guys better than my current guys that I'd like to replace. Why do I have to stop once I have 10 players?

 

If you go back and read page 3 of this thread, there are numerous posters discussing players they will need to drop to stay at the limit of 10 minor leaguers. We just need to make sure they want to drop these players rather than promote them to their major league teams.

[roadster]

I guess I just don't see a big difference in promoting them now and making a pick as opposed to promoting the players later and picking up a minor leaguer through free agency. Even if Tim moves Niese up, he's just going to have to drop somebody later anyway, so what's the point? What advantage do you get from pushing that decision down the road two weeks? In the case of Freese, so you leave him down now and then in two weeks you move him up and pick up someone else? Is that really much of an advantage? I don't really see it at the talent level we are drafting.

 

You are only expounding upon my original argument, so I'm not really arguing with you on this. I agree with you. We just need to make sure all the owners aren't dropping these players because they are doing so based on their own interpretation of the rules.

 

Here is my quote from the original prospect draft thread:

 

I have to agree with DeShawn about the limit of 5 picks or the inability to place them on the major league team. What is the purpose of these restrictions. In less than a month, we all need to be legal with your rosters anyway, so what's the point? Also, if someone has no minor leaguers left after the previous year promotions, why do they only get to add 5 players to their minor league roster? Are you saying that after 5 rounds, everyone else will just be a free agent and we are free to grab whoever we want to fill out the rest of our minor league teams? I have room for 4 right now, but there might be 7 guys better than my current guys that I'd like to replace. Why do I have to stop once I have 10 players?

If you go back and read page 3 of this thread, there are numerous posters discussing players they will need to drop to stay at the limit of 10 minor leaguers. We just need to make sure they want to drop these players rather than promote them to their major league teams.

 

 

 

Here is my take on the matter (for what it's worth):

 

Once a team is legal (which is prior to a draft), then it does not matter if the team is illegal or not until the next date that the team needs to be legal (which in our case, it will be the start of the season). So if an owner wants to load up on minor leaguers (during the minor league draft) or major leaguers (during the main draft), so be it, as long as before the start of the season (or an appropriate date before the start), the team must be legal on the MLB, minor league, and DL rosters. In addition, to make it fair, there should be a limit to trading (no cannot trade during this period if you are not legal) in order to keep owners from hoarding so they can make trades.

[Guest]

Yeah, that's what I had in mind as well, Rodelo. You just simplified it. If Juan signs off on your post, we should send emails to the teams that have made drops to make sure they really do want to drop those players.

 

And then we can officially put an end to this endless discussion. :blink:

[NCCubFan]

That's actually how we've done things at the major league level ever since I've been in the league. We've allowed until shortly before the start of the regular season to get major league rosters legal because outcomes of Spring Training battles could affect decisions on who to drop. To me it makes sense to do the same thing at the minor league level.

[Guest]

So why bother moving guys to the major league roster at all? Just have 17 minor leaguers until the drop date.

[Guest]

So why bother moving guys to the major league roster at all? Just have 17 minor leaguers until the drop date.

 

I think that's where we are getting to with this, Tim.

 

Oh, it's your pick, Robert.

[bukie]

So why bother moving guys to the major league roster at all? Just have 17 minor leaguers until the drop date.

 

I think that's where we are getting to with this, Tim.

 

Oh, it's your pick, Robert.

Actually, Robert picked, so it's Clint's turn.

[Guest]

Yeah, but I think he made the post in here before he made his pick. I just added his pick to his team, so we should be all caught up on that front. Everyone should double check to make sure their picks have been added, however.

 

I just emailed Clint. Can anyone tell that I'm procrastinating on organizing my taxes for my accountant right now?

[NCCubFan]

Yeah, but I think he made the post in here before he made his pick.

Yes I did. As soon as I made my post in this thread I went to the other thread and saw that my turn was up.

[Guest]

Based on who has checked in recently, we should fly through some picks in the next hour.

[bukie]

Tim still around?