Cubs 2nd to last in the NL in OPS aftrer 7th inning

[17 Seconds]

despite what you want to believe, it's a team sport.

 

Except Derrek Lee. He must not be a good teammate, because he didn't let the pressure get to him.

 

yeah, because there are never exceptions to anything in life, ever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

despite what you want to believe, it's a team sport.

 

Except Derrek Lee. He must not be a good teammate, because he didn't let the pressure get to him.

 

yeah, because there are never exceptions to anything in life, ever.

 

So the theory on pressure now is that some players, who have proven they can handle pressure repeatedly in their lives, in the majors and even in the MLB postseason as Cubs, suddenly succumb to some sort of team-based pressure?

 

Weirder and weirder. This is one of those theories that makes less sense the more you think about it.

[Vanilla Ice]

Edit:

 

Can a mod delete this post? I want to see if this page can be entirely taken up by people on my ignore list.

I'm not sure exactly who is on your ignore list, but it might have just happened.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

anymore obnoxious posts? i know you've got a few in store.

 

whatever dude, keep pretending that the cubs just got really unlucky last season and that pressure had nothing to do with it. keep pretending that players are robots and that everything that happens on the field can be calculated in a computer.

 

anybody with common sense who watched this team the last 2 years in the playoffs could see that they were really feeling the pressure.

 

"Common sense" is an almost universal code for "thing that is proven wrong by logic and science that I don't want to let go of."

[17 Seconds]

im starting to think imb is right. you're just trolling me. i don't think anyone can possibly be this bizarre.

 

you're breaking this down wayyyy too far, yet at the same time you've being completely simplistic and myopic about it all.

 

it's like the whole idea of pressure and not being able to fully understand it is getting inside your head and tearing you apart.

 

not evenything in life can be broken down to the 735th degree and looked at in fragments, kyle (do they do that in harry potter or something?).

 

i could see you getting dumped by a girl and then spending 10 straight hours crafting a massive flow chart that breaks down what may have happened and why.

Edited August 11, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[17 Seconds]

anymore obnoxious posts? i know you've got a few in store.

 

whatever dude, keep pretending that the cubs just got really unlucky last season and that pressure had nothing to do with it. keep pretending that players are robots and that everything that happens on the field can be calculated in a computer.

 

anybody with common sense who watched this team the last 2 years in the playoffs could see that they were really feeling the pressure.

 

"Common sense" is an almost universal code for "thing that is proven wrong by logic and science that I don't want to let go of."

 

lol science

 

go kyle go

[Vanilla Ice]

(do they do that in harry potter or something?).

BURN

[imb]

I never claimed to have PROVEN anything. This can never be PROVEN or DISPROVEN.

 

I am simply putting forth a theory, and it has obviously stirred up a lot of discussion. Great. That's what the board is for.

 

Forget I even mentioned the B word. But do you really think it is so ridiculous that the Cubs have actually felt more pressure than other teams recently?

 

I've already agreed with this. Multiple times. In this thread that you aren't reading.

[17 Seconds]

By the way Kyle, you kept using the "you've never met an athlete" argument.

 

Well let me ask you this.. have you ever BEEN an athlete? I mean, have you ever played a team sport? If you did, you'd know that pressure can mount and snowball.

 

Just because you're feeling pressure doesn't mean it's automatically going to effect you right away, or at all. This doesn't even just go for sports. You can be handling pressure fine, and then something bad happens, and it snowballs. Have you ever heard the expression "trying too hard"? Yeah, well sometimes when things start going wrong, you start trying too hard and it makes it worse.

 

This is one of those things that can't be broken down by "science". You know, one of those human things.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

All I want is a simple explanation for why these players have proven they can handle pressure over and over again, but somehow they not only fail to handle it in these specific situations, but they do so in a way that looks exactly like the random ups and downs of a major-league baseball season?

 

It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. The only explanation offered, thus far, has been that the fans and media give extra pressure to being on the Cubs, which is ridiculously myopic.

 

Breaking it down is where the absurdities in the argument show up.

 

(and Harry Potter *always* caught the Snitch, no matter the situation. The only time he didn't was when the dementors caused him to fall off his broom in third year against Hufflepuff. Dementors /= pressure.)

[17 Seconds]

It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. The only explanation offered, thus far, has been that the fans and media give extra pressure to being on the Cubs, which is ridiculously myopic.

 

Those were just examples of what comes with the territory. They were a small part of my point, yet you keep harping on them. There is more pressure on the Cubs in general, for a ton of reasons. If you want to deny that, go ahead. I'm done with that.

 

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

All I want is a simple explanation for why these players have proven they can handle pressure over and over again,

 

They haven't proven anything, unless you want to pretend that

 

A) A tiny sample size shows exactly what a player is and will always be in the playoffs

 

and

 

B) Trying to perform in the minors is the same as trying to perform on the biggest stage while millions of people are watching them

Edited August 11, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

Human emotions most certainly do work that way. In fact, it's part of human emotions to falsely believe that we immune from analysis.

[Guest]

All I want is a simple explanation for why these players have proven they can handle pressure over and over again, but somehow they not only fail to handle it in these specific situations, but they do so in a way that looks exactly like the random ups and downs of a major-league baseball season?

Exactly. A player is going to produce in crunch time at roughly the same rate as they do in non-crunch over the long run.

 

The problem is that the playoffs are so short. A guy can have a bad series and be done until next year, if then. I think people think it's the pressure when it really is the opportunity to respond.

[17 Seconds]

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

Human emotions most certainly do work that way. In fact, it's part of human emotions to falsely believe that we immune from analysis.

 

you can break down all human emotions? so shouldn't you be rich and famous then? that's kind of groundbreaking, dude

[Derwood]

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

Human emotions most certainly do work that way. In fact, it's part of human emotions to falsely believe that we immune from analysis.

 

you can break down all human emotions? so shouldn't you be rich and famous then? that's kind of groundbreaking, dude

 

and you're accusing people of obnoxious replies? jesus

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

Human emotions most certainly do work that way. In fact, it's part of human emotions to falsely believe that we immune from analysis.

 

you can break down all human emotions? so shouldn't you be rich and famous then? that's kind of groundbreaking, dude

 

Me personally? No. But go to college, enroll in some behavioral science courses (or if you really want to have some fun, neurology) and you'll learn quite a bit.

[Vanilla Ice]

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

Human emotions most certainly do work that way. In fact, it's part of human emotions to falsely believe that we immune from analysis.

 

you can break down all human emotions? so shouldn't you be rich and famous then? that's kind of groundbreaking, dude

 

and you're accusing people of obnoxious replies? jesus

Seriously

[17 Seconds]

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

Human emotions most certainly do work that way. In fact, it's part of human emotions to falsely believe that we immune from analysis.

 

you can break down all human emotions? so shouldn't you be rich and famous then? that's kind of groundbreaking, dude

 

and you're accusing people of obnoxious replies? jesus

 

no, yours were obnoxious because you jump in out of nowhere and start asking stupid questions that you know the answer to and talking about things i've already explained over and over again.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

B) Trying to perform in the minors is the same as trying to perform on the biggest stage while millions of people are watching them

 

Only if its the Cubs. Previous playoff experiences don't count, either.

[17 Seconds]

Anyways, read my last post. You're still trying so hard to fully break this down and pinpoint reasons for every tiny little thing. Human emotions don't work that way, Kyle.

 

Human emotions most certainly do work that way. In fact, it's part of human emotions to falsely believe that we immune from analysis.

 

you can break down all human emotions? so shouldn't you be rich and famous then? that's kind of groundbreaking, dude

 

and you're accusing people of obnoxious replies? jesus

Seriously

 

3 posts from you in a row that have done nothing more than insult me. how about you just put me on ignore buddy

[17 Seconds]

B) Trying to perform in the minors is the same as trying to perform on the biggest stage while millions of people are watching them

 

Only if its the Cubs. Previous playoff experiences don't count, either.

 

and for the 734th time, i never said anything about it only being the cubs. once again though i call out one of your ridiculous points and you change the subject instead.

 

whatever, just put me on ignore. i'm done with this.

[DivineBovine]

I never claimed to have PROVEN anything. This can never be PROVEN or DISPROVEN.

 

I am simply putting forth a theory, and it has obviously stirred up a lot of discussion. Great. That's what the board is for.

 

Forget I even mentioned the B word. But do you really think it is so ridiculous that the Cubs have actually felt more pressure than other teams recently?

 

I've already agreed with this. Multiple times. In this thread that you aren't reading.

 

 

 

OK, so you say "maybe the Cubs have felt more pressure, and maybe this has affected them". If so, then we agree.

 

But no, I'm not projecting a lot of my own [expletive] on the cubs. We all want the Cubs to win, but I can say that my life will go on if they don't, and I should hope yours will too. And no, I have not proven anything, nor have I claimed to. And you certainly haven't either.

 

Tough to read every line in every post when a thread blows up like this.

Edited August 11, 2009 by DivineBovine

[Vanilla Ice]

3 posts from you in a row that have done nothing more than insult me. how about you just put me on ignore buddy

But then I would miss all of this

 

EDIT: You could put me on ignore, if you cared enough.

[17 Seconds]

3 posts from you in a row that have done nothing more than insult me. how about you just put me on ignore buddy

But then I would miss all of this

 

By all means, if you need to boost your self esteem by insulting anonymous internet posters, go ahead. I'm here for you man

[Vanilla Ice]

3 posts from you in a row that have done nothing more than insult me. how about you just put me on ignore buddy

But then I would miss all of this

 

By all means, if you need to boost your self esteem by insulting anonymous internet posters, go ahead. I'm here for you man

good to know because that is exactly what i need