Victor Martinez traded to the Red Sox

[David]

RT @BNightengale The Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from Indians #mlbtrades

 

[BCVM22]

Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone supposedly going in the other direction.

[Mike Aller]

Bye Vic. :'(

[Derwood]

Terry Francona now gets to try to keep 6 guys happy with only 4 spots to play them. Hope Kotchman likes his 2 at-bats per week

[NCCubFan]

The irony of this is that tomorrow is a Victor Martinez bobblehead giveaway at the Indians game. :D

[Keener98]

Bye Vic. :'(

 

How does it feel to be the Pirates? :-))

[shnsajax]

Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone supposedly going in the other direction.

 

No Buchholz

[toonsterwu]

I like the deal. Getting 3 quality arms in any trade these days is a coup in it's own right. They got 3 good arms. Sure, none have Buchholz's upside, but all three are quality arms. They have catching depth.

 

I think both of their deals have been fine this offseason in regards to value that is out there in the market. Question is, was it the right gamble to make? That's more debatable, but seems like Shapiro has a plan he's working on. Granted, as good as he's looked in the offseasons, few of Shapiro's plans have actually come out the way he wanted in recent years.

[Sammy Sofa]

AWWWW, [expletive], WE MIGHT HAVE TO FACE HIM IN THE WORLD SERIES.

[Guest]

I like the deal. Getting 3 quality arms in any trade these days is a coup in it's own right. They got 3 good arms. Sure, none have Buchholz's upside, but all three are quality arms. They have catching depth.

 

I think both of their deals have been fine this offseason in regards to value that is out there in the market. Question is, was it the right gamble to make? That's more debatable, but seems like Shapiro has a plan he's working on. Granted, as good as he's looked in the offseasons, few of Shapiro's plans have actually come out the way he wanted in recent years.

Yeah, Cleveland has been tough to figure out the past few years. I always felt like they should be scoring more runs than they have. Pronk's collapse has had a lot to do with that. They've also continually lived with sub-par production from first base.

 

But I think another issue has been that they have relied way too much on finesse pitchers and didn't have a great defense to pair them with. If you are going to live with guys like Peralta at SS, then you are going to have to put people on the mound that can get some strikeouts.

 

However, all this is from the outside without taking too close a look at what has been going on.

[Mike Aller]

I like the deal. Getting 3 quality arms in any trade these days is a coup in it's own right. They got 3 good arms. Sure, none have Buchholz's upside, but all three are quality arms. They have catching depth.

 

I think both of their deals have been fine this offseason in regards to value that is out there in the market. Question is, was it the right gamble to make? That's more debatable, but seems like Shapiro has a plan he's working on. Granted, as good as he's looked in the offseasons, few of Shapiro's plans have actually come out the way he wanted in recent years.

Yeah, Cleveland has been tough to figure out the past few years. I always felt like they should be scoring more runs than they have. Pronk's collapse has had a lot to do with that. They've also continually lived with sub-par production from first base.

 

But I think another issue has been that they have relied way too much on finesse pitchers and didn't have a great defense to pair them with. If you are going to live with guys like Peralta at SS, then you are going to have to put people on the mound that can get some strikeouts.

 

However, all this is from the outside without taking too close a look at what has been going on.

Not a terrible explanation. Last year was extremely frustrating because our bullpen was absolutely terrible and our offense decided to match them during the first half of the year. Our offense really picked up in the second half (mostly because of Choo), but it was too late. We were too far behind and had already traded our ace. This year was ridiculously frustrating. We would beat a team by 8 and then lose three consecutive games by 1 run. Once again, the bullpen was absolutely terrible.

 

The Kerry signing didn't help matters, but most of the time our bullpen blew it before Kerry even got his opportunity to suck. Shapiro has tried to spend money in places where he thought it would help, but if you look at all of our 8-figure salaries for next year, they have all been colossal disappointments for one reason or another (Westbrook, Hafner, Wood).

 

Today's trade hurt the most. I definitely understood the CC trade last year. I was able to accept the Lee trade. But Vic was to Indians fans what Wood was to a lot of Cubs fans. He was the absolute heart of the team. He had a different handshake for every single person on the team, was always upbeat, and always seemed to care about winning. This sucks.

[Guest]

I like the deal. Getting 3 quality arms in any trade these days is a coup in it's own right. They got 3 good arms. Sure, none have Buchholz's upside, but all three are quality arms. They have catching depth.

 

I think both of their deals have been fine this offseason in regards to value that is out there in the market. Question is, was it the right gamble to make? That's more debatable, but seems like Shapiro has a plan he's working on. Granted, as good as he's looked in the offseasons, few of Shapiro's plans have actually come out the way he wanted in recent years.

Yeah, Cleveland has been tough to figure out the past few years. I always felt like they should be scoring more runs than they have. Pronk's collapse has had a lot to do with that. They've also continually lived with sub-par production from first base.

 

But I think another issue has been that they have relied way too much on finesse pitchers and didn't have a great defense to pair them with. If you are going to live with guys like Peralta at SS, then you are going to have to put people on the mound that can get some strikeouts.

 

However, all this is from the outside without taking too close a look at what has been going on.

Not a terrible explanation. Last year was extremely frustrating because our bullpen was absolutely terrible and our offense decided to match them during the first half of the year. Our offense really picked up in the second half (mostly because of Choo), but it was too late. We were too far behind and had already traded our ace. This year was ridiculously frustrating. We would beat a team by 8 and then lose three consecutive games by 1 run. Once again, the bullpen was absolutely terrible.

 

The Kerry signing didn't help matters, but most of the time our bullpen blew it before Kerry even got his opportunity to suck. Shapiro has tried to spend money in places where he thought it would help, but if you look at all of our 8-figure salaries for next year, they have all been colossal disappointments for one reason or another (Westbrook, Hafner, Wood).

 

Today's trade hurt the most. I definitely understood the CC trade last year. I was able to accept the Lee trade. But Vic was to Indians fans what Wood was to a lot of Cubs fans. He was the absolute heart of the team. He had a different handshake for every single person on the team, was always upbeat, and always seemed to care about winning. This sucks.

yeah, I forgot about the bullpen woes.

 

It sucks, but it made a lot of sense to trade Victor. As a catcher, he's not much of a catcher. At first base, his offense is acceptable, but not outstanding. As a fan, it's horrible to lose a home grown player like that. But as an outsider I think the trade made great baseball sense for Cleveland.

[Guest]

I like the deal. Getting 3 quality arms in any trade these days is a coup in it's own right. They got 3 good arms. Sure, none have Buchholz's upside, but all three are quality arms. They have catching depth.

 

I think both of their deals have been fine this offseason in regards to value that is out there in the market. Question is, was it the right gamble to make? That's more debatable, but seems like Shapiro has a plan he's working on. Granted, as good as he's looked in the offseasons, few of Shapiro's plans have actually come out the way he wanted in recent years.

Yeah, Cleveland has been tough to figure out the past few years. I always felt like they should be scoring more runs than they have. Pronk's collapse has had a lot to do with that. They've also continually lived with sub-par production from first base.

 

But I think another issue has been that they have relied way too much on finesse pitchers and didn't have a great defense to pair them with. If you are going to live with guys like Peralta at SS, then you are going to have to put people on the mound that can get some strikeouts.

 

However, all this is from the outside without taking too close a look at what has been going on.

Not a terrible explanation. Last year was extremely frustrating because our bullpen was absolutely terrible and our offense decided to match them during the first half of the year. Our offense really picked up in the second half (mostly because of Choo), but it was too late. We were too far behind and had already traded our ace. This year was ridiculously frustrating. We would beat a team by 8 and then lose three consecutive games by 1 run. Once again, the bullpen was absolutely terrible.

 

The Kerry signing didn't help matters, but most of the time our bullpen blew it before Kerry even got his opportunity to suck. Shapiro has tried to spend money in places where he thought it would help, but if you look at all of our 8-figure salaries for next year, they have all been colossal disappointments for one reason or another (Westbrook, Hafner, Wood).

 

Today's trade hurt the most. I definitely understood the CC trade last year. I was able to accept the Lee trade. But Vic was to Indians fans what Wood was to a lot of Cubs fans. He was the absolute heart of the team. He had a different handshake for every single person on the team, was always upbeat, and always seemed to care about winning. This sucks.

yeah, I forgot about the bullpen woes.

 

It sucks, but it made a lot of sense to trade Victor. As a catcher, he's not much of a catcher. At first base, his offense is acceptable, but not outstanding. As a fan, it's horrible to lose a home grown player like that. But as an outsider I think the trade made great baseball sense for Cleveland.

 

It also makes sense when 2 of your top 5 prospects are catchers including a top 25 prospect in all of baseball.

[Keener98]

This doesnt have anything to do with the trade, but today was the 1st I had heard of this being Shapiros last year as GM, and the Assistant GM is taking over next year. Has this been known for awhile?

[Derwood]

the Indians aren't doing anything in that division until they sort their pitching out. they need to get Carmona back to form, and they need some harder throwers. Guys like Sowers, Huff and Laffey just aren't going to cut it.

 

The offense seems fairly set. Next year you'll probably see an outfield of LaPorta, Sizemore and Shoo, with some combo of Peralta, Cabrera, Marte, Carroll and Valbuena in the infield, and then Toregas/Marson at catcher. Very young and potentially pretty good.