06/19 Indians (Lee) @ Cubs (Harden) CSN 1:20

[SpongeWorthy]

Harden started to suck at the end of last season and it hasn't really stopped since. He can be dominant at times. I'm not sure what it is about him but he I feel like he's kind of smoke and mirrors. Not in the junk ball sense but he works so many long counts before he puts guys away. Usually they don't square him up like they are today but getting guys out seems like more of a struggle for Rich than it is for other pitchers with high K rates.

[laurens]

Since when has 7 mil been too much for a 28 year old starting pitcher with a 3.33 career ERA?

 

Since now that Harden's given up some runs and he needs to find someone to be pissed off about.

[Outshined_One]

Was the organist just playing Benny and the Jets?

[PrimeTime]

I see the top of the mountain..And it is good.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Francisco singled to center field

[Fred Hornkohl]

Lee sacrificed, 5-4, Francisco to second

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS are 7-16 when the opponent executes a sac bunt.... 24-15 when they don't

 

 

Go CUBS !!

[Fred Hornkohl]

Carroll flied out to deep right field , Francisco to third

[Keener98]

Since when has 7 mil been too much for a 28 year old starting pitcher with a 3.33 career ERA?

 

Since now that Harden's given up some runs and he needs to find someone to be pissed off about.

 

Yea thats it.

 

 

Lets ignore that little fact that he was terrible near the end of last year, and has been terrible this year. But yea your right Im just trying to find something to be pissed about.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Since when has 7 mil been too much for a 28 year old starting pitcher with a 3.33 career ERA?

 

Since now that Harden's given up some runs and he needs to find someone to be pissed off about.

 

Yea thats it.

 

 

Lets ignore that little fact that he was terrible near the end of last year, and has been terrible this year. But yea your right Im just trying to find something to be pissed about.

 

Maybe were just a 4th place team in a mediocre division and thats just the way it is. Theres a lot of blame to go around.

[Fred Hornkohl]

DeRosa singled to right center field , Francisco scored

[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE FOURTH INNING

 

Francisco singled to center field

Lee sacrificed, 5-4, Francisco to second

Carroll flied out to deep right field , Francisco to third

DeRosa singled to right center field , Francisco scored

Martinez grounded out to second, 4-3

 

1 runs 2 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
Cleveland       0 3 3 1                        7  6  0
CUBS            0 0 0                          0  1  0

 

Home runs:

Cleveland: Valbuena (2), Martinez (12)

CUBS: none

 

Cleveland      IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Lee           3.0  1  0  0  0  5  0  43

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Harden        4.0  6  7  7  3  1  2  79

[Fred Hornkohl]

Theriot            AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Leading off        48    5   10    1    1    0    0    2    7  0.208  0.240  0.271  0.511  0.244  3.58  0.032  0.000
bases empty       151   20   41    7    2    3    3   14   26  0.272  0.341  0.404  0.745  0.311  3.69  0.070  0.000
Middle (4-6)       76   15   22    2    1    2   13    7   15  0.289  0.353  0.421  0.774  0.339  3.93  0.063  0.275
0 outs             80   13   24    5    1    2    8    2   12  0.300  0.325  0.463  0.788  0.333  3.42  0.025  0.214
CUBS trailing      90   12   23    5    1    2   10    4   17  0.256  0.292  0.400  0.692  0.296  3.68  0.036  0.235
last 7 games       27    1    7    1    0    0    2    0    9  0.259  0.250  0.296  0.546  0.389  4.11 -0.009  0.200
June               57    6   14    1    0    1    3    2   13  0.246  0.290  0.316  0.606  0.302  3.82  0.045  0.074
Home              113   19   37    7    2    5   19    6   20  0.327  0.364  0.558  0.921  0.364  3.78  0.036  0.280
Day               106   18   32    5    2    3   13    7   24  0.302  0.348  0.472  0.820  0.367  3.93  0.046  0.222
vs Left            43    8   14    4    0    1    4    3    3  0.326  0.396  0.488  0.884  0.333  3.71  0.070  0.200
Randy Marsh         4    0    2    0    0    0    1    0    1  0.500  0.500  0.500  1.000  0.667  4.00  0.000  0.250

season totals     238   34   67   12    2    6   25   18   40  0.282  0.340  0.424  0.764  0.318  3.69  0.058  0.179

[Fred Hornkohl]

Theriot lined out to right field

[Fred Hornkohl]

Bradley            AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
bases empty        89   12   21    2    0    3    3   10   17  0.236  0.320  0.360  0.680  0.261  3.93  0.084  0.000
Middle (4-6)       54   10   17    2    0    5    9    6   10  0.315  0.393  0.630  1.023  0.308  3.97  0.079  0.143
1 out              55    8   15    2    1    2    8    4   17  0.273  0.333  0.455  0.788  0.361  3.95  0.061  0.194
CUBS trailing      64    8   19    4    0    3   12    6   17  0.297  0.357  0.500  0.857  0.364  3.67  0.060  0.346
last 7 games       23    1   10    2    0    0    2    2    3  0.435  0.480  0.522  1.002  0.500  4.16  0.045  0.222
June               32    1   10    2    0    0    2    3    6  0.313  0.371  0.375  0.746  0.385  4.40  0.059  0.105
Home               70   11   22    3    1    3   11    9   15  0.314  0.400  0.514  0.914  0.365  4.09  0.086  0.267
Day                57    5   18    2    1    1    6    6    9  0.316  0.381  0.439  0.820  0.362  4.10  0.065  0.200
vs Left            41    5   13    1    1    1    5    4    5  0.317  0.391  0.463  0.855  0.343  4.07  0.074  0.167
Randy Marsh         0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.00  0.000  0.000

season totals     148   20   36    5    1    5   16   21   31  0.243  0.349  0.392  0.741  0.277  4.08  0.106  0.149

[Fred Hornkohl]

Bradley grounded out to second, 4-3

[Schwarber Fan]

lol @ the highlight: "DeRosa's RBI liner" :roll:

 

swinging early doesn't seem to be working, Cubs.

[Fred Hornkohl]

D Lee              AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
bases empty        94   16   28    2    0    6    6    8   15  0.298  0.353  0.511  0.864  0.301  3.86  0.055  0.000
Middle (4-6)       68    9   18    4    0    3   14    6   12  0.265  0.333  0.456  0.789  0.283  3.83  0.069  0.256
2 outs             69    3   16    2    0    2   13   10   13  0.232  0.329  0.348  0.677  0.259  4.23  0.097  0.216
CUBS trailing      81    9   29    3    0    4   12    1   13  0.358  0.369  0.543  0.912  0.391  3.75  0.011  0.195
last 7 games       28    4    9    0    0    2    7    1    4  0.321  0.345  0.536  0.881  0.318  3.48  0.023  0.250
June               54    9   19    2    0    3   12    8   11  0.352  0.435  0.556  0.991  0.400  4.06  0.084  0.273
Home              105   16   31    6    0    5   19   11   22  0.295  0.364  0.495  0.860  0.333  4.05  0.069  0.215
Day               101   16   29    6    0    6   23    9   20  0.287  0.342  0.525  0.867  0.307  3.85  0.055  0.246
vs Left            30    2    8    1    0    0    2   10    5  0.267  0.463  0.300  0.763  0.320  4.34  0.197  0.111
Randy Marsh         4    1    0    0    0    0    0    1    0  0.000  0.200  0.000  0.200  0.000  4.80  0.200  0.000

season totals     195   25   54   10    0    8   31   24   39  0.277  0.356  0.451  0.807  0.311  3.99  0.079  0.204

[Sammy Sofa]

No I didnt just repeat what Gooney said. For me to count someone as being one of the best pitchers in the game they have to pitch like it when healthy, and do it consistently. Thats not Rich Harden, so therefore, hes overrated.

 

But he's not overrated. He's considered one of the best pitchers of the game when he's healthy and consistent.

[laurens]

Since when has 7 mil been too much for a 28 year old starting pitcher with a 3.33 career ERA?

 

Since now that Harden's given up some runs and he needs to find someone to be pissed off about.

 

Yea thats it.

 

 

Lets ignore that little fact that he was terrible near the end of last year, and has been terrible this year. But yea your right Im just trying to find something to be pissed about.

 

Rich Harden's starts at the end of last year, going backfrom the end of the season:

 

Sept. 25 6IP 2ER 4K

Sept. 18 5IP 1ER 7K

Sept. 11 6IP 2ER 3K

Aug. 29 5IP 1ER 5K

Aug. 24 7IP 1ER 11K

 

Those are his last 5 starts of 2008. That doesn't seem "terrible" to me.

[Fred Hornkohl]

D Lee doubled to down the left field line

[jersey cubs fan]

Since when has 7 mil been too much for a 28 year old starting pitcher with a 3.33 career ERA?

 

Since now that Harden's given up some runs and he needs to find someone to be pissed off about.

 

Yea thats it.

 

 

Lets ignore that little fact that he was terrible near the end of last year, and has been terrible this year. But yea your right Im just trying to find something to be pissed about.

 

I still don't see how he's overrated. His weak spots are noted whenever he is discussed. If he's really healthy right now, it's a new part of his game (sucking while being healthy). It was widely acknowledged he was not 100% late last year but the Cubs needed him to pitch and hoped he would be there. That's part of the reason why I was hoping they would be more cautious at the start of this year, instead of just throwing him out there every 5th day and then letting his pitch counts increase steadily until something happened.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Soto               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
RISP               51    3   11    1    0    0   12   11   11  0.216  0.349  0.235  0.585  0.275  4.27  0.134  0.160
Middle (4-6)       54    3   10    3    0    0    5    9   14  0.185  0.302  0.241  0.542  0.250  4.05  0.116  0.156
2 outs             56    6   14    3    0    3   10   13   11  0.250  0.408  0.464  0.873  0.262  4.08  0.158  0.156
CUBS trailing      72    6   15    4    0    2    3    9   20  0.208  0.296  0.347  0.644  0.260  4.16  0.088  0.027
last 7 games       22    2    5    2    0    2    3    2    6  0.227  0.292  0.591  0.883  0.214  3.75  0.064  0.111
June               39    4    9    2    0    3    5    4    7  0.231  0.302  0.513  0.815  0.207  3.86  0.072  0.091
Home               88    7   22    4    0    2   14   16   16  0.250  0.368  0.364  0.732  0.286  3.94  0.118  0.203
Day                82    6   14    5    0    1    8   13   16  0.171  0.289  0.268  0.557  0.200  4.20  0.118  0.130
vs Left            33    3    7    0    0    2    5    7    6  0.212  0.366  0.394  0.760  0.200  4.05  0.154  0.111
Randy Marsh         3    0    1    0    0    0    1    1    0  0.333  0.500  0.333  0.833  0.333  2.50  0.167  0.333

season totals     164   13   36    6    0    4   17   25   36  0.220  0.328  0.329  0.657  0.258  4.05  0.109  0.129

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS are 28-22 when they hit at least one double.... 3-9 when they don't

 

 

Go CUBS !!

[Little Slide Rooter]

Good pitchers go through bad stretches. Harden may as well do it while the rest of the team sucks anyway, and hopefully all the pieces fall into place together.