Manny Reaches Agreement with Dodgers (2/$45m)

[imb]

i dont want to go as far as to say that boras and manny are playing this "smart", but they know that the dodgers want manny and they know that the dodgers don't want to start the season without him. sure, they're essentially hoping the dodgers bid against themselves, but if someone wants a player enough, they'll do that.

[RedFlash]

i dont want to go as far as to say that boras and manny are playing this "smart", but they know that the dodgers want manny and they know that the dodgers don't want to start the season without him. sure, they're essentially hoping the dodgers bid against themselves, but if someone wants a player enough, they'll do that.

 

True, but outside of "hiccups" from San Francisco, there has been no other team linked to Manny Ramirez, at least not "officially". So right the Dodgers are definately are playing it better then Manny. Now I understand that Manny is the difference between the Dodgers winning the West and finishing third next yr (D'Backs and depends on if the Giants surprise everybody and snatches Manny) but I don't the Dodgers are going to panic in these negotiations. While their offense wont be "explosive" without Manny, they still have a lot of good young hitters that can play (Ether/Kemp/Looney/Martin) and couple those with a couple of solid vets (Blake/Furcal/Hudson) and the Dodgers could still have a solid offense.

 

Ultimately I do think Manny will end up with the Dodgers, but not for the offer that Boras is wanting (2 yrs $55 mill).

[TruffleShuffle]

ooh $27.5M per year for a 37 year old corner outfielder who's terrible defensively and quit on a team last year? where do i sign up for that?

 

Are you sure you're thinking of the right guy? Manny hit .347/.473/.587 for the Red Sox in June when you're saying he supposedly quit on them.

 

okay so he kept hitting well while complaining so much that the red sox were basically forced to trade him. combine that with his age and terrible defense, and that's not a guy that i want on my team for that kind of money.

[Illini Iceman]

From most of what I have heard, if Manny doesn't sign Juan Pierre is the every day leftfielder for the Dodgers. I wonder what the difference in projected runs and/or wins for the Dodgers there is between having Manny out there every day versus Pierre. The real joke is that if they could just take back the awful deals for Jones and Pierre they would have plenty of money. I think I read somewhere that their projected payroll right now without Manny is only in the $70M range.

[Wheelimus]

ooh $27.5M per year for a 37 year old corner outfielder who's terrible defensively and quit on a team last year? where do i sign up for that?

 

Are you sure you're thinking of the right guy? Manny hit .347/.473/.587 for the Red Sox in June when you're saying he supposedly quit on them.

 

okay so he kept hitting well while complaining so much that the red sox were basically forced to trade him. combine that with his age and terrible defense, and that's not a guy that i want on my team for that kind of money.

 

Can't really agree with that. To me, what matters at the end of the day are your numbers. If you're carrying the team I don't really care what you mouth off to reporters about.

 

Boston is baseball in a vacuum. They certainly didn't have to trade Manny, though it certainly worked out alright for them. But they didn't trade him because of the distraction, they traded him because a team shockingly gave a decent haul to a problematic outfielder in his walk year.

 

Then again I'm just a Series starved Cubs fan. I'd be happy if it were won by 9 clones of Barry Bonds.

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ooh $27.5M per year for a 37 year old corner outfielder who's terrible defensively and quit on a team last year? where do i sign up for that?

 

Are you sure you're thinking of the right guy? Manny hit .347/.473/.587 for the Red Sox in June when you're saying he supposedly quit on them.

 

okay so he kept hitting well while complaining so much that the red sox were basically forced to trade him. combine that with his age and terrible defense, and that's not a guy that i want on my team for that kind of money.

 

Can't really agree with that. To me, what matters at the end of the day are your numbers.

 

Manny was basically a .900 OPS guy for his last season and a half with Boston. That's not carrying a team.

[TruffleShuffle]

ooh $27.5M per year for a 37 year old corner outfielder who's terrible defensively and quit on a team last year? where do i sign up for that?

 

Are you sure you're thinking of the right guy? Manny hit .347/.473/.587 for the Red Sox in June when you're saying he supposedly quit on them.

 

okay so he kept hitting well while complaining so much that the red sox were basically forced to trade him. combine that with his age and terrible defense, and that's not a guy that i want on my team for that kind of money.

 

Can't really agree with that. To me, what matters at the end of the day are your numbers. If you're carrying the team I don't really care what you mouth off to reporters about.

 

agreed, which is why i wouldn't sign him. unless he's putting up ted-williams-in-his-prime numbers, his offense not good enough to overcome his terrible defense... at least not enough to justify being paid $27.5m a year for his services.

[shnsajax]

I would offer Manny a 1 year $5 Million deal, with a $35 Million bonus if the Cubs win the World Series. Lets see if he has any balls.

[Warren Brusstar]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

Is zero dollars for zero years more palatable?

 

Back to the basic question. With little to no interest from the rest of baseball, what terms are Boras and Manny expecting, market value? I don't hate him for turning down the deal and trying to get a better one. I find it comical that his camp thinks it has some kind of leverage. No matter how much he helps the Dodgers, they're not going to guarantee him anything more than what he turned down.

 

Considering that they keep running back to him with new offers, why do you think they're suddenly finished doing that?

[Guest]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

Is zero dollars for zero years more palatable?

 

Back to the basic question. With little to no interest from the rest of baseball, what terms are Boras and Manny expecting, market value? I don't hate him for turning down the deal and trying to get a better one. I find it comical that his camp thinks it has some kind of leverage. No matter how much he helps the Dodgers, they're not going to guarantee him anything more than what he turned down.

 

Considering that they keep running back to him with new offers, why do you think they're suddenly finished doing that?

 

Agreed. To me, this seems eerily similar to the year the Cubs seemed like the only team making offers to Pudge, and at the stroke before midnight, Florida came in and made an offer that took everyone else out of the picture.

 

That's what the Dodgers are risking by playing the game. Maybe there won't be a Florida for Manny this year, but you can't blame him for trying.

 

If I was Sabean, I'd just do it.

Manny with LA >>>San Francisco without Manny

Manny with SF>>>Los Angeles without Manny

[The Other 15]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

Is zero dollars for zero years more palatable?

 

Back to the basic question. With little to no interest from the rest of baseball, what terms are Boras and Manny expecting, market value? I don't hate him for turning down the deal and trying to get a better one. I find it comical that his camp thinks it has some kind of leverage. No matter how much he helps the Dodgers, they're not going to guarantee him anything more than what he turned down.

 

Considering that they keep running back to him with new offers, why do you think they're suddenly finished doing that?

They've made a few early offers. One for a single year, and the latest a 2 year deal with deferred money. That's not exactly running to him with new offers. They have stayed in the same money area that they started. I haven;t heard of another offer from anyone. It's March. I think if the Giants were sincerely interested they would have made an offer by now. They are likely waiting to see the talks with the Dodgers fall apart so they can get him cheaper. Most teams yearly profit margin is what Manny is asking for. With the state of the economy not hitting baseball on a everyday basis yet, few teams are going to be willing to outbid the Dodgers.

 

McCourt indicated that with the recent economic downturn, the Dodgers' financial parameters might be different from what they were even four months ago.

 

"Every day things are changing, and we need to be mindful of that,'' McCourt said. "We kept our offer virtually where it was in November. And you know what? The world isn't anything like it was in November. So we're going to start fresh and look at this the way we'll look at it sometime next week.''

 

That doesn't sound like a guy who thinks he's in a weak bargaining position.

 

I predict Manny and Boras will take the first offer (1/$25 mil) if the Dodgers resubmit it and try their luck again next year. Clearly, the one thing we can almost safely predict, is that the dream of a 3 to 4 year deal is not going to materialize in this market.

 

At the end of the day when you pimp your way out of Bostons $20 mil in '09 for the Dodgers $25mil, one can safely assume it was all about the money for that turdball.

[Backtobanks]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

Is zero dollars for zero years more palatable?

 

Back to the basic question. With little to no interest from the rest of baseball, what terms are Boras and Manny expecting, market value? I don't hate him for turning down the deal and trying to get a better one. I find it comical that his camp thinks it has some kind of leverage. No matter how much he helps the Dodgers, they're not going to guarantee him anything more than what he turned down.

 

Considering that they keep running back to him with new offers, why do you think they're suddenly finished doing that?

They've made a few early offers. One for a single year, and the latest a 2 year deal with deferred money. That's not exactly running to him with new offers. They have stayed in the same money area that they started. I haven;t heard of another offer from anyone. It's March. I think if the Giants were sincerely interested they would have made an offer by now. They are likely waiting to see the talks with the Dodgers fall apart so they can get him cheaper. Most teams yearly profit margin is what Manny is asking for. With the state of the economy not hitting baseball on a everyday basis yet, few teams are going to be willing to outbid the Dodgers.

 

McCourt indicated that with the recent economic downturn, the Dodgers' financial parameters might be different from what they were even four months ago.

 

"Every day things are changing, and we need to be mindful of that,'' McCourt said. "We kept our offer virtually where it was in November. And you know what? The world isn't anything like it was in November. So we're going to start fresh and look at this the way we'll look at it sometime next week.''

 

That doesn't sound like a guy who thinks he's in a weak bargaining position.

 

I predict Manny and Boras will take the first offer (1/$25 mil) if the Dodgers resubmit it and try their luck again next year. Clearly, the one thing we can almost safely predict, is that the dream of a 3 to 4 year deal is not going to materialize in this market.

 

At the end of the day when you pimp your way out of Bostons $20 mil in '09 for the Dodgers $25mil, one can safely assume it was all about the money for that turdball.

 

The problem with taking the 1 year deal and going the FA route again next year is that Manny will have to be motivated and interested for a whole year. That's not easy when you're basically unmotivated and disinterested.

[Derwood]

if last year's 1.031 OPS and 332 total bases = "disinterested", sign me up please

[Tarver]

Who's to say the FA market won't be worse next year? McCourt should try lowering his offer.

[RynoRules]

Per ESPN.com, Manny and Dodgers have agreed to 2 yr, $45 million dollar deal.

 

Good for Manny - he's an amazing hitter.

[cubswin2009]

Per ESPN.com, Manny and Dodgers have agreed to 2 yr, $45 million dollar deal.

 

Good for Manny - he's an amazing hitter.

Bad for us. Looks like another 1st round exit. :bye:

[BCVM22]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3949705

 

ORLANDO, Florida -- Manny Ramirez and the Los Angeles Dodgers finally reached some common ground in their negotiations, according to a source close to the talks.

 

After multiple failed attempts, Ramirez and the Dodgers agreed to general terms Tuesday on a two-year, $45 million deal. A source told ESPN.com that obstacles still remain to completing the contract.

 

Agent Scott Boras didn't immediately return a phone call seeking comment.

 

The Dodgers announced last week that Boras had declined the team's fourth offer to the star outfielder -- a one-year, $25 million contract with a $20 million player option for 2010.

 

The outfielder is expected to travel to Los Angeles on Tuesday night.

 

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[JWCUB]

Manny, Dodgers Agree To Terms?

By Drew Silva [March 3 at 8:30pm CST]

8:30pm: Ken Gurnick and Barry M. Bloom of MLB.com have a quote from Boras himself: "I'm still working on it, but it's yet to be finalized."

 

8:25pm: ESPN.com's Jayson Stark writes that "obstacles still remain to completing the contract."

 

8:24pm: ESPN.com has now removed the story from the front page.

 

8:22pm: It should be noted that ESPN.com's front page headline reads: "Manny To Dodgers: It's a Deal."

 

8:16pm: MLBTR just received this e-mail from Senior Editor of Yahoo! Sports, Steve Henson:

 

Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports just spoke to Scott Boras and a Dodger front-office official. Both said no agreement has been reached. Ned Colletti and Boras did speak today, but no real progress was made.

[JWCUB]

8:32pm: Will Selva, the anchor on staff for ESPNews, says Rojas' report is "false."

[inari]

Per ESPN.com, Manny and Dodgers have agreed to 2 yr, $45 million dollar deal.

 

Good for Manny - he's an amazing hitter.

Bad for us. Looks like another 1st round exit. :bye:

 

Come on.

[Guest]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/03/manny-ramirez-i.html

 

Agent Scott Boras only minutes ago denied an ESPN Deportes report that Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers had agreed on a two-year deal and the slugger was flying to Los Angeles.

 

Boras told Times Dodgers beat reporter Dylan Hernandez that he had been working hard on a contract, but added, "I assure you, we have no deal."

 

Earlier today, Ramirez spoke with Times columnist T.J. Simers, telling him that he would be happy with a two-year contract and that he wasn't taking the sometimes contentious back-and-forth between Boras and the Dodgers personally.

 

The slugger also sounded hopeful that he might soon be back in a Dodgers uniform. "Tell everyone Mannywood is coming," Ramirez told Simers.

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yeah damn you manny, for making ryan dempster throw all those balls, give up a grand slam to james loney, and take all hitting ability away from most of the cubs' offense. we're effed.

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yeah damn you manny, for making ryan dempster throw all those balls, give up a grand slam to james loney, and take all hitting ability away from most of the cubs' offense. we're effed.

 

manny not only changes his own clubhouse, he changed everyone's. what an unbelievable player.

[bhogg]

Screw manny and the horse (agent) he rode into town on.

 

I'd offer him twenty bucks and a coupon for a free Wendy's frosty. Take it or leave it.

[dew1679666265]

Per ESPN.com, Manny and Dodgers have agreed to 2 yr, $45 million dollar deal.

 

Good for Manny - he's an amazing hitter.

Bad for us. Looks like another 1st round exit. :bye:

 

Come on.

 

You're right, it'll be another first round exit because we're the Cubs, not because of Manny.

 

:wink: