College Football - Championship Week

[dew1679666265]

Auburn made a mistake firing Tuberville I think.

 

it probably depends on who they bring in to replace him, but i don't think tuberville will be out of a job for long.

 

Go 47-16 over the last five seasons and you lose your job. Compare that to Miss. St's reluctance to fire Croom after he went 21-38 over that same time span (and 8 of those 21 wins came in one year!).

 

First of all OleMissCub on your sig pic-trust me, I feel your pain.

I'm telling you, alot of ppl are rumbling about Tuberville to Miss St. That would be bad news for Oxford I think.

While I believe that firing Tuberville was a big mistake, you cannot really compare Auburn and Miss St the last 5 years. Auburn is a traditional power with SEC caliber facilities. Miss State 5 years ago when Croom was hired was in a black hole, coming off bigtime probation from the Jackie Sherrill days. On top of that, it's Starkville, MS.

I realize we will not agree on Houston Nutt probably, but what is the consensus around there about him? I saw how recruiting is going...Ole Miss 58th?!? That was a huge knock on him at Arkansas.

 

Nutt shouldn't have been fired. However he recruited there, he won. A lot. If he weren't really recruiting all that well and was struggling to win each year, fine. But he was winning at a high level (10 wins his final season at Arkansas).

[Mephistopheles]

Auburn, obviously, recognizes that the 2004 team won a National Championship in football.

[OleMissCub]

I'm telling you, alot of ppl are rumbling about Tuberville to Miss St. That would be bad news for Oxford I think.

 

I think that is very unlikely.

 

While I believe that firing Tuberville was a big mistake, you cannot really compare Auburn and Miss St the last 5 years. Auburn is a traditional power with SEC caliber facilities. Miss State 5 years ago when Croom was hired was in a black hole, coming off bigtime probation from the Jackie Sherrill days. On top of that, it's Starkville, MS.

 

Yeah, I definitely understand that. Big difference in the two programs. Nevertheless, it seems like Auburn has delusions of grandeur if they expect better than 47 wins over a five year span.

 

 

I realize we will not agree on Houston Nutt probably, but what is the consensus around there about him? I saw how recruiting is going...Ole Miss 58th?!? That was a huge knock on him at Arkansas.

 

Yeah, Ole Miss didn't recruit very well this year at all. I've also heard that being a big knock against Nutt as well. I'm hoping that the low ranking might have had to do with how young our team is right now. We've got a great many true freshman and sophomores in prime spots. So perhaps that has scared off some players and pushed them over to Mississippi State, where the only requisite to starting right away this past year was that you could tie your cleats. Hopefully Nutt's supposed lack of recruiting prowess might be negated a bit at Ole Miss because of our new indoor practice facilities, which are among the top in the nation.

 

Croom leaving State might throw some of their good recruits our way as well. Oh, and speaking of the devil, I just read on rivals that a pretty good DB de-committed from Auburn after hearing about Tubs departure and committed to Ole Miss.

 

Recruiting 58th sucks and is a bit troubling, but perhaps it is just a one year fluke due to other circumstances. We'll see.

[OleMissCub]

When did Tuberville win one? He got robbed of a deserved chance in 2004, but I don't remember him winning another.

 

I'm in the minority I'm sure, but I personally consider Auburn to have won a National Championship in 2004. It's the SEC homer in me, I suppose.

[dew1679666265]

Auburn, obviously, recognizes that the 2004 team won a National Championship in football.

 

As they probably would have had they not been screwed.

[Mephistopheles]

Nah, the SEC stunk that year.

[TruffleShuffle]

Recruiting 58th sucks and is a bit troubling, but perhaps it is just a one year fluke due to other circumstances. We'll see.

 

i think there are also some programs that recruit more players that fit their system rather than players that are highly-regarded by the national publications. texas tech and west virginia (under dick rod) are two programs that have had consistent top 25 success without "great" recruiting classes. i don't think you can be a consistent national championship contender like usc, lsu, ou, texas or osu if you aren't pulling top 10 classes year after year, but you can be in that next tier of schools.

Edited December 4, 2008 by TruffleShuffle

[dew1679666265]

When did Tuberville win one? He got robbed of a deserved chance in 2004, but I don't remember him winning another.

 

I'm in the minority I'm sure, but I personally consider Auburn to have won a National Championship in 2004. It's the SEC homer in me, I suppose.

 

It was one of the biggest travesties the BCS has wrought yet. It should have been USC and Auburn in that game.

[NOLA]

Auburn made a mistake firing Tuberville I think.

 

it probably depends on who they bring in to replace him, but i don't think tuberville will be out of a job for long.

 

Go 47-16 over the last five seasons and you lose your job. Compare that to Miss. St's reluctance to fire Croom after he went 21-38 over that same time span (and 8 of those 21 wins came in one year!).

 

First of all OleMissCub on your sig pic-trust me, I feel your pain.

I'm telling you, alot of ppl are rumbling about Tuberville to Miss St. That would be bad news for Oxford I think.

While I believe that firing Tuberville was a big mistake, you cannot really compare Auburn and Miss St the last 5 years. Auburn is a traditional power with SEC caliber facilities. Miss State 5 years ago when Croom was hired was in a black hole, coming off bigtime probation from the Jackie Sherrill days. On top of that, it's Starkville, MS.

I realize we will not agree on Houston Nutt probably, but what is the consensus around there about him? I saw how recruiting is going...Ole Miss 58th?!? That was a huge knock on him at Arkansas.

 

Nutt shouldn't have been fired. However he recruited there, he won. A lot. If he weren't really recruiting all that well and was struggling to win each year, fine. But he was winning at a high level (10 wins his final season at Arkansas).

 

Here's the thing about the Nutt firing, and I am an LSU fan before a rabid Arkansas fan. His firing had much less to do with wins and losses than his character. I will agree that some of the nonsense floating around last year was ridiculous, but he is a shifty, shifty guy. He continually threw players under the bus to deflect bad attention from himself. He would continually toot HIS own horn and tease every year with job openings at other schools. Whether or not you agree with either side of the whole Mitch Mustain affair, Nutt and his wife behaved in a completely unprofessional, vindictive manner in the way the press was used to demonize the 19 year old kid. He publicly called Peyton Hillis a "cancer in the locker room" right before the NFL draft. Hillis only came back from a broken back, a leg injury, and a change of position to go on to gain 128 yards with the Broncos last Sunday. Clearly, I dislike the guy as a coach, but he is not the great man ESPN made him out to be after the fallout. Wins and losses do NOT tell the story there.

[TruffleShuffle]

His firing had much less to do with wins and losses than his character. I will agree that some of the nonsense floating around last year was ridiculous, but he is a shifty, shifty guy. He continually threw players under the bus to deflect bad attention from himself. He would continually toot HIS own horn and tease every year with job openings at other schools.

 

and to replace him they hired.... bobby petrino.

[Mephistopheles]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

[dew1679666265]

Here's the thing about the Nutt firing, and I am an LSU fan before a rabid Arkansas fan. His firing had much less to do with wins and losses than his character. I will agree that some of the nonsense floating around last year was ridiculous, but he is a shifty, shifty guy. He continually threw players under the bus to deflect bad attention from himself. He would continually toot HIS own horn and tease every year with job openings at other schools. Whether or not you agree with either side of the whole Mitch Mustain affair, Nutt and his wife behaved in a completely unprofessional, vindictive manner in the way the press was used to demonize the 19 year old kid. He publicly called Peyton Hillis a "cancer in the locker room" right before the NFL draft. Hillis only came back from a broken back, a leg injury, and a change of position to go on to gain 128 yards with the Broncos last Sunday. Clearly, I dislike the guy as a coach, but he is not the great man ESPN made him out to be after the fallout. Wins and losses do NOT tell the story there.

 

Yeah, I heard that it was an issue with character and I started to believe it. But then Arkansas hired Bobby Petrino.

 

I don't believe it anymore.

[dew1679666265]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

 

If the issue you have with a coach is his character, do you hire Bobby Petrino or Nick Saban?

[TruffleShuffle]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

 

"he is a shifty, shifty guy."

"tease every year with job openings at other schools."

[OleMissCub]

Recruiting 58th sucks and is a bit troubling, but perhaps it is just a one year fluke due to other circumstances. We'll see.

 

i think there are also some programs that recruit more players that fit their system rather than players that are highly-regarded by the national publications. texas tech and west virginia (under dick rod) are two programs that have had consistent top 25 success without "great" recruiting classes. i don't think you can be a consistent national championship contender like usc, lsu, ou, texas or osu if you aren't pulling top 10 classes year after year, but you can be in that next tier of schools.

 

Well, Ole Miss has been lucky to have a lot of great players who weren't highly recruited. Patrick Willis was just a two star recruit, and Peria Jerry and Greg Hardy (both possible 1st rounders) were just three star recruits. Perhaps that is the norm with most schools and the players that become stars for them, I dunno.

[dew1679666265]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

 

"he is a shifty, shifty guy."

"tease every year with job openings at other schools."

 

"Slip out of Atlanta in the dead of night leaving only notes behind to tell your players that you've left two days after guaranteeing to your owner's face that you won't leave midseason"

[TruffleShuffle]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

 

"he is a shifty, shifty guy."

"tease every year with job openings at other schools."

 

"Slip out of Atlanta in the dead of night leaving only notes behind to tell your players that you've left two days after guaranteeing to your owner's face that you won't leave midseason"

 

plus there was the continual flirting with auburn, as well as other jobs, then leaving for atlanta just a year into a new contract at louisville. if you're firing nutt because of character you don't turn around and hire an even bigger snake in the grass.

[dew1679666265]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

 

"he is a shifty, shifty guy."

"tease every year with job openings at other schools."

 

"Slip out of Atlanta in the dead of night leaving only notes behind to tell your players that you've left two days after guaranteeing to your owner's face that you won't leave midseason"

 

plus there was the continual flirting with auburn, as well as other jobs, then leaving for atlanta just a year into a new contract at louisville. if you're firing nutt because of character you don't turn around and hire an even bigger snake in the grass.

 

Precisely. Petrino was a great hire and probably an improvement (however slight) over Nutt. He is not, though, a guy you hire because you wanted a coach with great character.

 

It'd be like the Raiders hiring Nick Saban because they want great values and loyalty instilled in their players.

[NOLA]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

 

"he is a shifty, shifty guy."

"tease every year with job openings at other schools."

 

"Slip out of Atlanta in the dead of night leaving only notes behind to tell your players that you've left two days after guaranteeing to your owner's face that you won't leave midseason"

 

Oh you won't hear me defend Petrino's character at all. I'm just talking about Nutt and that whole firing. I will defend Petrino purely as a coach, and I think LSU and Bama will have some competition in a couple of years.

IMO, Petrino sorta fell into Ark's lap after a shoddy coaching search. He is a good coach, and UA put blinders on to the rest and hired him. They just REALLY wanted Nutt gone and then REALLY needed to name a head coach when they hired Petrino. Petrino has his own issues, but Nutt is a crazy mofo and NOT a great guy.

 

OK, Big Ten guys: How good is Ryan Mallett...seriously?

[dew1679666265]

Is that supposed to be a putdown?

 

"he is a shifty, shifty guy."

"tease every year with job openings at other schools."

 

"Slip out of Atlanta in the dead of night leaving only notes behind to tell your players that you've left two days after guaranteeing to your owner's face that you won't leave midseason"

 

Oh you won't hear me defend Petrino's character at all. I'm just talking about Nutt and that whole firing. I will defend Petrino purely as a coach, and I think LSU and Bama will have some competition in a couple of years.

IMO, Petrino sorta fell into Ark's lap after a shoddy coaching search. He is a good coach, and UA put blinders on to the rest and hired him. They just REALLY wanted Nutt gone and then REALLY needed to name a head coach when they hired Petrino. Petrino has his own issues, but Nutt is a crazy mofo and NOT a great guy.

 

OK, Big Ten guys: How good is Ryan Mallett...seriously?

 

It's very hard to buy that Arkansas wanted a better character coach so they fired Nutt and hired Petrino.

 

I understand that's likely what they're trying to claim, but if they truly wanted a better character coach they would have hired almost anyone else.

[Mephistopheles]

The best character coach in college football is Ron Zook, but he can't coach worth crap.

[Mephistopheles]

His players will take a bullet for him, you have to give him that.

[dew1679666265]

The best character coach in college football is Ron Zook, but he can't coach worth crap.

 

And I'm not arguing that you should hire according to character. But if that's a team's goal, they shouldn't consider Bobby Petrino.

[dew1679666265]

His players will take a bullet for him, you have to give him that.

 

Except Rashard Mendenhall apparently.

[NOLA]

I understand that's likely what they're trying to claim, but if they truly wanted a better character coach they would have hired almost anyone else.

 

The problem with that is that it in reality, Nutt was fired because they just wanted him GONE. Even the most diehard Hog fan will tell you that their planning was poor, to put it mildly. But that is how bad thay wanted him gone, and to tell you the truth, both sides needed to go their own way.

The Petrino hiring came much later down the road after a few job offers. At that point they just wanted a head coach, and yes, he is a good coach even with the baggage. It was not meant to be a good character hire to contrast Nutt, it was to hire ANYONE else. Honestly, you can ask alot of Arkansas ppl and they will tell you they are glad Nutt is gone no matter what the record would be this past season.

OK, there's a Louisiana perspective on the Arkansas Razorbacks.