Tracking 2009 payroll?

YearofDaCubs · October 16, 2008

Per CubFanPhilly:

UPDATED 1/9:

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses. The Tribune stated 2007 payroll was $120 mil. This comes within $2 mil. under these same assumptions. This total includes $6 mil. in signing bonuses. If signing bonuses are not pro-rated but included in the year signed, the total is $2 mil. lower (-$6M/+$4M for Dempster). Media has reported 2009 payroll to be around $140 mil. (with one report as high as $150 mil.).

Under Contract

C - Soto $0.5M (probable Super Two in 2010)

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - Fontenot $0.45M

SS - Theriot $0.5M (2 MiL options)

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010, 10/5 rights after, player option 2011, club option 2012)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

RF - Bradley $7.0M

IF - Miles $2.2M

IF/OF - ??? (Cedeno, Hoffpauir)

OF - R. Johnson $3.00M (FA in 2010)

OF - Gathright $0.8M

C - ??? (Bako, Blanco, K. Hill)

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised, FA in 2010)

S - Dempster $9.0M (player option 2012)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marshall $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Marmol $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Vicaino $3.5M (team option in 2010, $0.5M buyout)

BP - Cotts $1.1M

BP - Gaudin $2.0M

BP - Samardzija $1.8M (NTC, club options 2012, 2013 / 2 MiL options)

BP - Guzman $0.45M (1 MiL option)

BP - ???? (Gregg, Wuertz, Patton, Hart, Ascanio)

Buy-outs/Cash in Trades - $1.30M ($0.30m Blanco; $1.0M Marquis)

COMMITTED: $132.45M (11 position players, 5 starters, 6 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible / Arbitration-Contract Estimates (based on 2008 comparable players & service time)

BP - Gregg (2008 $2.5M; Arb. Est. $4.5-$6.0M)

BP - Wuertz (2008 $0.86M; Arb. Est. $1.0-$1.4M) (no MiL options)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

PAYROLL w/ Arb. Elg. Estimates: $138.55M to $140.6M (12 position players, 5 starters, 7 bullpen)

No MiL Options/Rule 5 (to be rostered in ST, traded, exposed to waivers or released)

BP - Wuertz (2008 $0.86M; Arb. Est. $1.0-$1.4M) (no MiL options)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

OF - Pie $0.4M (no MiL options)

OF - Snyder $0.4M (no MiL options)

C - K. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options)

S - R. Hill $0.55M (no MiL options)

BP - Patton $0.4 (Rule 5 pick)

Others on the 40-Man (est. salaries if optioned to 25-Man)

S - M. Atkins $0.4M (3 MiL options)

S - J. Berg $0.4M (3 MiL options)

S/BP - Hart $0.4M (2 MiL options)

S/BP - Wells $0.4M (3 MiL options)

BP - M. Mateo $0.4M (3 MiL options)

BP - Ascanio $0.4M (1 MiL option)

BP - Stevens $0.4M (3 MiL options)

OF/1B - Hoffpauir $0.4M (2 MiL options)

OF/1B/C - J. Fox $0.4M (1 MiL option)

OF - Fuld $0.4M (2 MiL options)

(Current 40-man roster is full)

Free Agents / Arbitration Declined for all A&B FAs

BP - Lieber

CF - Edmonds

1B/OF - Ward

C - Blanco

BP - K. Wood (Cleveland)

BP - Howry (San Francisco)

Edited January 9, 2009 by YearofDaCubs

Southpaw191679666239 · October 16, 2008

Well the poster who did the last two isn't around anymore. :(

RedFlash · October 16, 2008

Well the poster who did the last two isn't around anymore. :(

Did he just stop coming to the site, is that what you are referring to?

October 16, 2008

Since this post, the Cubs did exercise Harden's option, so that first subtotal is actually up to $109,575,000.

JeffH[/url]"]Right now, we have the following players under contract:

LF - Alfonso Soriano ($16,000,000)
RF - Kosuke Fukudome ($11,500,000)
3B - Aramis Ramirez ($15,650,000)
2B - Mark DeRosa ($5,500,000)
1B - Derrek Lee ($13,000,000)
SP - Carlos Zambrano ($17,750,000)
SP - Ted Lilly ($12,000,000)
SP - Jason Marquis ($9,875,000)
RP - Jeff Samardzija ($1,300,000)

Subtotal - $102,575,000

The Cubs have team options on Henry Blanco ($3,000,000) and Rich Harden ($7,000,000). They may decline the option on Blanco and try to re-sign him for less. Barring a bad report on Harden's arm, they'll exercise the option on him. For this accounting, let's assume they exercise both options.

Subtotal - $112,575,000

The Cubs have three arbitration-eligible players: Reed Johnson, Neal Cotts, and Chad Gaudin. Let's assume they re-sign all three. Johnson ($3,500,000). Cotts ($1,200,000). Gaudin ($3,500,000). These figures may be slightly high.

Subtotal - $120,775,000

I've assumed that there will be seven auto-renewal players on the roster - Felix Pie, Ryan Theriot, Geovany Soto, Ronny Cedeno, Mike Fontenot, Sean Marshall, and Carlos Marmol. I've allotted $500,000 for each.

Subtotal - $124,275,000

CubFanPhilly · October 17, 2008

I'm pretty close to Raisin's numbers. $120.9 mil. before doing anything with Dempster, Wood, Guadin (arb.), Blanco ($.3 buyout), Johnson (arb.), or Edmonds.

If the reports of a $140 mil. payroll are true, that leaves ~$19 mil. to fill: starter, closer, backup catcher, middle reliever, and another LH bat. If you can move Marquis and some of his '09 pay, you might have $23-$26 mil. to work with - not much room.

CubFanPhilly · October 21, 2008

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses (the Trib's 2007 payroll of $120 mil. comes within $2 mil. under the same assumption).

Under contract

C - Soto $0.5M

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - DeRosa $5.5M

SS - Theriot $0.5M

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - Pie $0.45M

RF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

IF - Fontenot $0.45M

IF - Cedeno $0.45M

1B/OF - Hoffpauir $0.45M

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marquis $9.88M

S/BP - Marshall $0.45M

BP - Marmol $0.50M

BP - Samardzija $2.4M

BP - Guzman $0.45M

COMMITTED: $119.88 (11 position players, 5 starters, 3 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible

CF - Johnson (2007 $1.3M/Signed with Toronto for $3.28M before his release)

BP/S - Gaudin (2007 $1.78M)

BP - Cotts (2007 $0.8M)

BP - Wuertz (2007 $0.86M)

Team Option

C - Blanco $3.0M ($0.3M buyout)

Free Agents

BP - Wood (2007 $3.90M w/incentives)

BP - Howry (2007 $4.5M)

S - Dempster (2007 $5.83M)

CF - Edmonds (2007 $8.0M with SD paying $5.7M and STL paying $2.0M)

1B/OF - Ward (2007 $1.20M)

November 14, 2008

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010)

And 10/5 rights after that, I believe.

CubFanPhilly · November 15, 2008

UPDATED 11/18:

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses. The Tribune stated 2007 payroll was $120 mil. This comes within $2 mil. under these same assumptions. Media has reported 2009 payroll to be around $140 mil. (with one report as high as $150 mil.).

Under Contract

C - Soto $0.5M

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - DeRosa $5.5M (FA in 2010)

SS - Theriot $0.5M (2 MiL options)

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010, 10/5 rights after, player option 2011, club option 2012)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - Pie $0.45M (no MiL options)

RF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

IF - Fontenot $0.45M (1 MiL option)

IF - Cedeno $0.45M (no MiL options)

1B/OF - Hoffpauir $0.45M (2 MiL options)

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised, FA in 2010)

S - Dempster $9.0M (player option 2012)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marquis $9.88M (FA 2010)

BP - Marshall $0.45M (1 MiL option)

BP - Marmol $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Samardzija $2.4M (NTC, club options 2012, 2013)

BP - Guzman $0.45M (1 MiL option)

Buy-outs - $0.3 (Blanco)

COMMITTED: $129.18 (11 position players, 5 starters, 4 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible

CF - Johnson (2007 $1.3M/Signed with Toronto for $3.28M before his release)

BP/S - Gaudin (2007 $1.78M) (no MiLoptions)

BP - Gregg (2007 $2.5M)

BP - Cotts (2007 $0.8M) (no MiL options)

BP - Wuertz (2007 $0.86M) (no MiL options)

Free Agents

BP - Wood (2007 $3.90M w/incentives)

BP - Howry (2007 $4.5M)

BP - C. Fox

BP - Lieber

CF - Edmonds (2007 $8.0M with SD paying $5.7M and STL paying $2.0M)

1B/OF - Ward (2007 $1.20M)

C - Blanco ($3.0 club option declined/$0.3M buyout)

Others on the 40-Man (est. salaries if optioned to 25-Man)

S - R. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

S/BP - Hart $0.4 (2 MiL options)

S/BP - Wells $0.4 (3 MiL options)

BP - Ascanio $0.4 (1 MiL option)

C - K. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

OF/1B/C? - J. Fox (1 MiL option)

OF - Fuld (2 MiL options)

OF - Snyder (no MiL options)

(32 players on the current 40-man)

Edited November 19, 2008 by CubFanPhilly

Cubswin11 · November 18, 2008

Dempster for 4@52 roughly, and assuming Hendry backloaded it as usual, he will probably be making around 8-10 mil this year.

Brian · November 19, 2008

was curious how the current contracts shape out past this coming season, this is what I found using Cot's

2010

Zambrano - 17.875

Ramirez - 15.75

Soriano - 18

Lee - 13

Dempster - 12.5

Lilly - 10

Fukudome - 13

2011

Zambrano - 17.875

Ramirez - 14.6 [player option]

Soriano - 18

Dempster - 13.5

Fukudome - 13.5

2012

Zambrano - 18

Ramirez - 16 [team option - 2M buyout]

Soriano - 18

Dempster - 14 [player option]

2013

Zambrano - 19.25 [vesting player option]

Soriano - 18

2014

Soriano - 18

haubrich91 · November 19, 2008

I have a strong feeling Soriano's contract is going to be the worst one in Franchise history. (if it already wasn't)

cubsfan26 · November 20, 2008

I have a strong feeling Soriano's contract is going to be the worst one in Franchise history. (if it already wasn't)

Soriano numbers put him at the level of others guys making the same amount of money he does. How he plays from 2012-2014 will determine how good or bad the deal is. Hopefully Soriano is one of those players who still performs pretty well at 35 plus years old.

CubFanPhilly · December 4, 2008

UPDATED 12/4:

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses. The Tribune stated 2007 payroll was $120 mil. This comes within $2 mil. under these same assumptions. This total includes $6 mil. in signing bonuses. If signing bonuses are not pro-rated but included in the year signed, the total is $2 mil. lower (-$6M/+$4M for Dempster). Media has reported 2009 payroll to be around $140 mil. (with one report as high as $150 mil.).

Under Contract

C - Soto $0.5M (probable Super Two in 2010)

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - DeRosa $5.5M (FA in 2010)

SS - Theriot $0.5M (2 MiL options)

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010, 10/5 rights after, player option 2011, club option 2012)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - Pie $0.45M (no MiL options)

RF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

IF - Fontenot $0.45M (1 MiL option)

IF - Cedeno $0.45M (no MiL options)

1B/OF - Hoffpauir $0.45M (2 MiL options)

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised, FA in 2010)

S - Dempster $9.0M (player option 2012)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marquis $9.88M (FA 2010)

BP - Marshall $0.45M (1 MiL option)

BP - Marmol $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Samardzija $2.4M (NTC, club options 2012, 2013)

BP - Guzman $0.45M (1 MiL option)

Buy-outs - $0.3 (Blanco)

COMMITTED: $129.18 (11 position players, 5 starters, 4 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible / Arbitration-Contract Estimates (based on 2008 comparable players & service time)

CF - Johnson (2008 $1.3M; Arb. Est. $3.0-$4.0M)

BP/S - Gaudin (2008 $1.78M; Arb. Est. $2.75-$4.0M ) (no MiLoptions)

BP - Gregg (2008 $2.5M; Arb. Est. $4.5-$6.0M)

BP - Cotts (2008 $0.8M; Arb. Est. $1.2-$2.0M) (no MiL options)

BP - Wuertz (2008 $0.86M; Arb. Est. $1.1-$1.6M) (no MiL options)

PAYROLL w/ Arb. Elg. Estimates: $141.7M to $146.5M (12 position players, 5 starters, 7 bullpen)

Free Agents / Arbitration Declined for all A&B FAs

BP - Wood

BP - Lieber

CF - Edmonds

1B/OF - Ward

C - Blanco ($3.0 club option declined/$0.3M buyout)

Others on the 40-Man (est. salaries if optioned to 25-Man)

S - R. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

S - M. Atkins $0.4 (3 MiL options)

S - J. Berg $0.4 (3 MiL options)

S/BP - Hart $0.4 (2 MiL options)

S/BP - Wells $0.4 (3 MiL options)

BP - M. Mateo $0.4 (3 MiL options)

BP - Ascanio $0.4 (1 MiL option)

C - K. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

OF/1B/C? - J. Fox (1 MiL option)

OF - Fuld (2 MiL options)

OF - Snyder (no MiL options)

(36 players on the current 40-man)

JeffH · December 12, 2008

Twelve players with signed contracts for the 2009 season at a total of $123,575,000.

CubFanPhilly · December 13, 2008

UPDATED 12/13:

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses. The Tribune stated 2007 payroll was $120 mil. This comes within $2 mil. under these same assumptions. This total includes $6 mil. in signing bonuses. If signing bonuses are not pro-rated but included in the year signed, the total is $2 mil. lower (-$6M/+$4M for Dempster). Media has reported 2009 payroll to be around $140 mil. (with one report as high as $150 mil.).

Under Contract

C - Soto $0.5M (probable Super Two in 2010)

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - DeRosa $5.5M (FA in 2010)

SS - Theriot $0.5M (2 MiL options)

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010, 10/5 rights after, player option 2011, club option 2012)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - R. Johnson $3.00M (FA in 2010)

RF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

IF - Fontenot $0.45M (1 MiL option)

CF - Pie $0.45M (no MiL options)

1B/OF - Hoffpauir $0.45M (2 MiL options)

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised, FA in 2010)

S - Dempster $9.0M (player option 2012)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marquis $9.88M (FA 2010)

BP - Marshall $0.45M (1 MiL option)

BP - Marmol $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Cotts $1.1M

BP - Gaudin $2.0M

BP - Samardzija $1.8M (NTC, club options 2012, 2013)

BP - Guzman $0.45M (1 MiL option)

Buy-outs - $0.3 (Blanco)

COMMITTED: $134.23 (11 position players, 5 starters, 6 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible / Arbitration-Contract Estimates (based on 2008 comparable players & service time)

BP - Gregg (2008 $2.5M; Arb. Est. $4.5-$6.0M)

BP - Wuertz (2008 $0.86M; Arb. Est. $1.0-$1.4M) (no MiL options)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

PAYROLL w/ Arb. Elg. Estimates: $140.3M to $142.4M (12 position players, 5 starters, 7 bullpen)

Free Agents / Arbitration Declined for all A&B FAs

BP - Lieber

CF - Edmonds

1B/OF - Ward

C - Blanco ($3.0 club option declined/$0.3M buyout)

Others on the 40-Man (est. salaries if optioned to 25-Man)

S - R. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

S - M. Atkins $0.4 (3 MiL options)

S - J. Berg $0.4 (3 MiL options)

S/BP - Hart $0.4 (2 MiL options)

S/BP - Wells $0.4 (3 MiL options)

BP - M. Mateo $0.4 (3 MiL options)

BP - Ascanio $0.4 (1 MiL option)

BP - Patton $0.4 (Rule 5 pick)

C - K. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

OF/1B/C? - J. Fox (1 MiL option)

OF - Fuld (2 MiL options)

OF - Snyder (no MiL options)

(37 players on the current 40-man)

Edited December 13, 2008 by CubFanPhilly

JeffH · December 13, 2008

Where did you get the $2.4 number for Samardzija? I have him at $1.3.

CubFanPhilly · December 13, 2008

Where did you get the $2.4 number for Samardzija? I have him at $1.3.

5 yrs/$10 mil., plus a $2 mil. signing bonus amortized over 5 years. I've never seen a breakdown on his contract by year (just Googled it again). I just saw it listed as $1.6 mil. without any bonus factored in, so $1.3 mil. is certainly possible.

JeffH · December 13, 2008

Where did you get the $2.4 number for Samardzija? I have him at $1.3.

5 yrs/$10 mil., plus a $2 mil. signing bonus amortized over 5 years. I've never seen a breakdown on his contract by year (just Googled it again). I just saw it listed as $1.6 mil. without any bonus factored in, so $1.3 mil. is certainly possible.

CFP, for your files:

http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=1455

CubFanPhilly · December 13, 2008

Where did you get the $2.4 number for Samardzija? I have him at $1.3.

5 yrs/$10 mil., plus a $2 mil. signing bonus amortized over 5 years. I've never seen a breakdown on his contract by year (just Googled it again). I just saw it listed as $1.6 mil. without any bonus factored in, so $1.3 mil. is certainly possible.

CFP, for your files:

http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=1455

Thanks. I'll edit my last post ($1.8M by my method).

CubFanPhilly · January 1, 2009

UPDATED 1/1:

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses. The Tribune stated 2007 payroll was $120 mil. This comes within $2 mil. under these same assumptions. This total includes $6 mil. in signing bonuses. If signing bonuses are not pro-rated but included in the year signed, the total is $2 mil. lower (-$6M/+$4M for Dempster). Media has reported 2009 payroll to be around $140 mil. (with one report as high as $150 mil.).

Under Contract

C - Soto $0.5M (probable Super Two in 2010)

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - Fontenot $0.45M

SS - Theriot $0.5M (2 MiL options)

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010, 10/5 rights after, player option 2011, club option 2012)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - R. Johnson $3.00M (FA in 2010)

RF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

IF - Miles $2.2M

CF - Pie $0.45M (no MiL options)

OF - Gathright $0.8M

1B/OF - Hoffpauir $0.45M (2 MiL options)

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised, FA in 2010)

S - Dempster $9.0M (player option 2012)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marquis $9.88M (FA 2010)

BP - Marshall $0.45M (1 MiL option)

BP - Marmol $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Cotts $1.1M

BP - Gaudin $2.0M

BP - Samardzija $1.8M (NTC, club options 2012, 2013)

BP - Guzman $0.45M (1 MiL option)

Buy-outs - $0.3 (Blanco)

COMMITTED: $131.73 (12 position players, 5 starters, 6 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible / Arbitration-Contract Estimates (based on 2008 comparable players & service time)

BP - Gregg (2008 $2.5M; Arb. Est. $4.5-$6.0M)

BP - Wuertz (2008 $0.86M; Arb. Est. $1.0-$1.4M) (no MiL options)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

PAYROLL w/ Arb. Elg. Estimates: $137.83M to $139.88 (12 position players, 5 starters, 7 bullpen)

Free Agents / Arbitration Declined for all A&B FAs

BP - Lieber

CF - Edmonds

1B/OF - Ward

C - Blanco ($3.0 club option declined/$0.3M buyout)

Others on the 40-Man (est. salaries if optioned to 25-Man)

S - R. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

S - M. Atkins $0.4 (3 MiL options)

S - J. Berg $0.4 (3 MiL options)

S/BP - Hart $0.4 (2 MiL options)

S/BP - Wells $0.4 (3 MiL options)

BP - M. Mateo $0.4 (3 MiL options)

BP - Ascanio $0.4 (1 MiL option)

BP - Stevens $0.4

BP - Patton $0.4 (Rule 5 pick)

C - K. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options, $0.48 in 2008)

OF/1B/C? - J. Fox (1 MiL option)

OF - Fuld (2 MiL options)

OF - Snyder (no MiL options)

(39 players on the current 40-man)

CubFanPhilly · January 9, 2009

UPDATED 1/9:

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses. The Tribune stated 2007 payroll was $120 mil. This comes within $2 mil. under these same assumptions. This total includes $6 mil. in signing bonuses. If signing bonuses are not pro-rated but included in the year signed, the total is $2 mil. lower (-$6M/+$4M for Dempster). Media has reported 2009 payroll to be around $140 mil. (with one report as high as $150 mil.).

Under Contract

C - Soto $0.5M (probable Super Two in 2010)

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - Fontenot $0.45M

SS - Theriot $0.5M (2 MiL options)

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010, 10/5 rights after, player option 2011, club option 2012)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

RF - Bradley $7.0M

IF - Miles $2.2M

IF/OF - ??? (Cedeno, Hoffpauir)

OF - R. Johnson $3.00M (FA in 2010)

OF - Gathright $0.8M

C - ??? (Bako, Blanco, K. Hill)

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised, FA in 2010)

S - Dempster $9.0M (player option 2012)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marshall $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Marmol $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Vicaino $3.5M (team option in 2010, $0.5M buyout)

BP - Cotts $1.1M

BP - Gaudin $2.0M

BP - Samardzija $1.8M (NTC, club options 2012, 2013 / 2 MiL options)

BP - Guzman $0.45M (1 MiL option)

BP - ???? (Gregg, Wuertz, Patton, Hart, Ascanio)

Buy-outs/Cash in Trades - $1.30M ($0.30m Blanco; $1.0M Marquis)

COMMITTED: $132.45M (11 position players, 5 starters, 6 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible / Arbitration-Contract Estimates (based on 2008 comparable players & service time)

BP - Gregg (2008 $2.5M; Arb. Est. $4.5-$6.0M)

BP - Wuertz (2008 $0.86M; Arb. Est. $1.0-$1.4M) (no MiL options)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

PAYROLL w/ Arb. Elg. Estimates: $138.55M to $140.6M (12 position players, 5 starters, 7 bullpen)

No MiL Options/Rule 5 (to be rostered in ST, traded, exposed to waivers or released)

BP - Wuertz (2008 $0.86M; Arb. Est. $1.0-$1.4M) (no MiL options)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

OF - Pie $0.4M (no MiL options)

OF - Snyder $0.4M (no MiL options)

C - K. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options)

S - R. Hill $0.55M (no MiL options)

BP - Patton $0.4 (Rule 5 pick)

Others on the 40-Man (est. salaries if optioned to 25-Man)

S - M. Atkins $0.4M (3 MiL options)

S - J. Berg $0.4M (3 MiL options)

S/BP - Hart $0.4M (2 MiL options)

S/BP - Wells $0.4M (3 MiL options)

BP - M. Mateo $0.4M (3 MiL options)

BP - Ascanio $0.4M (1 MiL option)

BP - Stevens $0.4M (3 MiL options)

OF/1B - Hoffpauir $0.4M (2 MiL options)

OF/1B/C - J. Fox $0.4M (1 MiL option)

OF - Fuld $0.4M (2 MiL options)

(Current 40-man roster is full)

Free Agents / Arbitration Declined for all A&B FAs

BP - Lieber

CF - Edmonds

1B/OF - Ward

C - Blanco

BP - K. Wood (Cleveland)

BP - Howry (San Francisco)

MixmastaMiguel · January 9, 2009

How do you know if the player got the signing bonuses his 1st year of the contract or if he gets a certain amount each year?? I have the payroll at about 135 million. I got Z at 17.75 not 18.75. Same with a bunch of other guys. You have 1 million added to them for some reason. Is this some signing bonus where they get 1 million each year? Don't they get the signign bonus upfront usually like Dempster will get all 4 mill this year? Unless otherwise states like Bradley getting 2 this year and 2 next.

JeffH · January 10, 2009

How do you know if the player got the signing bonuses his 1st year of the contract or if he gets a certain amount each year?? I have the payroll at about 135 million. I got Z at 17.75 not 18.75. Same with a bunch of other guys. You have 1 million added to them for some reason. Is this some signing bonus where they get 1 million each year? Don't they get the signign bonus upfront usually like Dempster will get all 4 mill this year? Unless otherwise states like Bradley getting 2 this year and 2 next.

In terms of how the money is paid, it is safe to assume that - unless it is reported otherwise - that the entire signing bonus is paid upfront. That's what I do when I calculate payroll, because I think it's more reflective of cash flow, which I imagine is of primary interest to ownership.

For the purposes of calculating luxury tax, MLB accounting spreads the signing bonus out across all of the guaranteed years of the contract (however that is defined). That's how CubFanPhilly does it.

To each his own.

CubFanPhilly · January 10, 2009

How do you know if the player got the signing bonuses his 1st year of the contract or if he gets a certain amount each year?? I have the payroll at about 135 million. I got Z at 17.75 not 18.75. Same with a bunch of other guys. You have 1 million added to them for some reason. Is this some signing bonus where they get 1 million each year? Don't they get the signign bonus upfront usually like Dempster will get all 4 mill this year? Unless otherwise states like Bradley getting 2 this year and 2 next.

In terms of how the money is paid, it is safe to assume that - unless it is reported otherwise - that the entire signing bonus is paid upfront. That's what I do when I calculate payroll, because I think it's more reflective of cash flow, which I imagine is of primary interest to ownership.

For the purposes of calculating luxury tax, MLB accounting spreads the signing bonus out across all of the guaranteed years of the contract (however that is defined). That's how CubFanPhilly does it.

To each his own.

I agree. The two ways to look at it are: cashflow (bonus taken in the first year because they are paid up front); and budget/luxury tax (bonus amortized over the life of the contract excluding option years). I suspect ownership looks at it from both perspectives, but cashflow is probably more important. The only reason I amortize the bonuses is that it fits better with what little the Cubs say in the media about their budget.

CubFanPhilly · January 22, 2009

UPDATED 1/22:

*Assumes modest raises for pre-arb. players and pro-rates signing bonuses. The Tribune stated 2007 payroll was $120 mil. This comes within $2 mil. under these same assumptions. This total includes $6 mil. in signing bonuses. If signing bonuses are not pro-rated but included in the year signed, the total is $2 mil. lower (-$6M/+$4M for Dempster). Media has reported 2009 payroll to be around $140 mil. (with one report as high as $150 mil.).

Under Contract

C - Soto $0.5M (probable Super Two in 2010)

1B - Lee $13.0M (NTC)

2B - Fontenot $0.45M

SS - Theriot $0.5M (2 MiL options)

3B - Ramirez $16.65M (NTC thru 2010, 10/5 rights after, player option 2011, club option 2012)

LF - Soriano $17.0M (NTC)

CF - Fukudome $12.5M (limited NTC)

RF - Bradley $7.0M

IF - Miles $2.2M

IF/OF - ??? (Cedeno, Hoffpauir)

OF - R. Johnson $3.00M (FA in 2010)

OF - Gathright $0.8M

C - ??? (Bako, Blanco, K. Hill)

S - Zambrano $18.75 (NTC)

S - Harden $7.0M (team option exercised, FA in 2010)

S - Dempster $9.0M (player option 2012)

S - Lilly $13.0M (limited NTC)

S - Marshall $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Gregg $4.2M

BP - Marmol $0.5M (1 MiL option)

BP - Samardzija $1.8M (NTC, club options 2012, 2013 / 2 MiL options)

BP - Vicaino $3.5M (team option in 2010, $0.5M buyout)

BP - Cotts $1.1M

BP - Wuertz $1.2M

BP - Gaudin $2.0M

Buy-outs/Cash in Trades - $1.30M ($0.30m Blanco; $1.0M Marquis)

COMMITTED: $137.45 (11 position players, 5 starters, 7 bullpen)

Arbitration Eligible / Arbitration-Contract Estimates (based on 2008 comparable players & service time)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

PAYROLL w/ Arb. Elg. Estimates: $138.05M to $138.65 (12 position players, 5 starters, 7 bullpen)

No MiL Options/Rule 5 (to be rostered in ST, traded, exposed to waivers or released)

IF - Cedeno (2008 $0.45M; Arb. Est. $0.6-$0.75) (no MiL options)

OF - Snyder $0.4M (no MiL options)

C - K. Hill $0.55 (no MiL options)

S - R. Hill $0.55M (no MiL options)

BP - Patton $0.4 (Rule 5 pick)

Others on the 40-Man (est. salaries if optioned to 25-Man)

S - M. Atkins $0.4M (3 MiL options)

S - J. Berg $0.4M (3 MiL options)

S/BP - G. Olson $0.4M (1 MiL option)

S/BP - Hart $0.4M (2 MiL options)

S/BP - Wells $0.4M (3 MiL options)

BP - Guzman $0.45M (1 MiL option)

BP - M. Mateo $0.4M (3 MiL options)

BP - Ascanio $0.4M (1 MiL option)

BP - Stevens $0.4M (3 MiL options)

OF/1B - Hoffpauir $0.4M (2 MiL options)

OF/1B/C - J. Fox $0.4M (1 MiL option)

OF - Fuld $0.4M (2 MiL options)

(40-man roster is full)

Free Agents / Arbitration Declined for all A&B FAs

BP - Lieber

CF - Edmonds

1B/OF - Ward

C - Blanco (San Diego)

BP - K. Wood (Cleveland)

BP - Howry (San Francisco)

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