Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-12-2008

[NCCubFan]

This is great news...maybe HIll can save us from the brtual Jason Marquis or Teddy Lilly.

Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither Lilly nor Marquis even come remotely close to "brutal." Both have winning records and ERAs of around 4.50 (Marquis slightly below, Lilly a little higher). Both have some starts that are stinkers, but neither has numbers out of line for a 4th or 5th starter.

[Guest]

Ted Lilly has been below league average this season.

[Guest]

All boxes posted!

[rawaction]

18 for his last 42 for Felix Pie now.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

This is great news...maybe HIll can save us from the brtual Jason Marquis or Teddy Lilly.

Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither Lilly nor Marquis even come remotely close to "brutal." Both have winning records and ERAs of around 4.50 (Marquis slightly below, Lilly a little higher). Both have some starts that are stinkers, but neither has numbers out of line for a 4th or 5th starter.

Seriously? You are using W-L record as an evaulation of a pitcher? Is that still allowed?

[TruffleShuffle]

This is great news...maybe HIll can save us from the brtual Jason Marquis or Teddy Lilly.

Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither Lilly nor Marquis even come remotely close to "brutal." Both have winning records and ERAs of around 4.50 (Marquis slightly below, Lilly a little higher). Both have some starts that are stinkers, but neither has numbers out of line for a 4th or 5th starter.

Seriously? You are using W-L record as an evaulation of a pitcher? Is that still allowed?

 

he also used ERA, neither of theirs' are bad. a sane person realizes that jason marquis and ted lilly have not been brutal.

[dlocks]

Jose Ceda's numbers at AA, especially for his age are very, very impressive. I think he has a bright future as a reliever in MLB.... Heck maybe even this year is Marmol keeps sucking.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

This is great news...maybe HIll can save us from the brtual Jason Marquis or Teddy Lilly.

Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither Lilly nor Marquis even come remotely close to "brutal." Both have winning records and ERAs of around 4.50 (Marquis slightly below, Lilly a little higher). Both have some starts that are stinkers, but neither has numbers out of line for a 4th or 5th starter.

Seriously? You are using W-L record as an evaulation of a pitcher? Is that still allowed?

 

he also used ERA, neither of theirs' are bad. a sane person realizes that jason marquis and ted lilly have not been brutal.

They have been pretty close, and while they may hack it as #4 or #5 starters on alot of teams, a great team(aka...this team) should aim higher. If Rich Hill can revert back to his 2007 self, I much rather have him as the # 4 starter.

[TruffleShuffle]

This is great news...maybe HIll can save us from the brtual Jason Marquis or Teddy Lilly.

Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither Lilly nor Marquis even come remotely close to "brutal." Both have winning records and ERAs of around 4.50 (Marquis slightly below, Lilly a little higher). Both have some starts that are stinkers, but neither has numbers out of line for a 4th or 5th starter.

Seriously? You are using W-L record as an evaulation of a pitcher? Is that still allowed?

 

he also used ERA, neither of theirs' are bad. a sane person realizes that jason marquis and ted lilly have not been brutal.

They have been pretty close, and while they may hack it as #4 or #5 starters on alot of teams, a great team(aka...this team) should aim higher. If Rich Hill can revert back to his 2007 self, I much rather have him as the # 4 starter.

 

everyone would prefer last year's hill to marquis. but take a look around the league - who would you consider a great team?

 

red sox:

#4 - tim wakefield... okay yes he's got a 3.60 ERA, 1.177 WHIP and 120 ERA+ this year, but he's basically been a league-average pitcher the four years before this one.

#5 - clay buchholz - 5.70 ERA, 1.67 WHIP, 76 ERA+ (since has been injured and replaced by justin masterton)

 

tampa bay:

#4 - andy sonnanstine... 4.58 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 90 ERA+

#5 - edwin jackson... 3.93 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 105 ERA+

 

angels:

#4 - jered weaver... 4.03 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 103 ERA+

#5 - jon garland... 4.20 ERA, 1.45 WHIP, 98 ERA+

 

i mean, look back at some really good teams. 2004 yankees? won 101 games; jose contreras had a 5.64 ERA and javier vasquez was at 4.91. 2004 red sox? derek lowe had a 5.42 ERA and tim wakefield was, as mentioned, league-average. the idea that the starting rotations of great teams are filled with #1-#2 types, with maybe a good #3 in there too, is a fallacy.

[NCCubFan]

This is great news...maybe HIll can save us from the brtual Jason Marquis or Teddy Lilly.

Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither Lilly nor Marquis even come remotely close to "brutal." Both have winning records and ERAs of around 4.50 (Marquis slightly below, Lilly a little higher). Both have some starts that are stinkers, but neither has numbers out of line for a 4th or 5th starter.

Seriously? You are using W-L record as an evaulation of a pitcher? Is that still allowed?

 

he also used ERA, neither of theirs' are bad. a sane person realizes that jason marquis and ted lilly have not been brutal.

It's really the ERA, not the won-loss record, that I was basing my comments on. I can see why someont might interpret it otherwise since I did mention the won-loss record. But my basic argument is that, while they haven't been great (or even good), they've been far from brutal.