So, some douche is trying to tell me that Crede is better...

[fromthestretch]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing division strength into this, but Ramirez has posted an OPS+ over 126 the past four seasons, whereas Joe Crede's never been over 107 in a full season.

 

 

when you face tougher teams, its harder to put up better stats. a fairly easy assumption i thought could be made about the point it was making

 

 

As Derwood mentioned, OPS+ takes that into account, clearly showing that Ramirez has been much better. That's why I wondered why you brought division strength into it.

 

As for your Pujols : Jacobs comparison, it's not quite that drastic. More like comparing Derrek Lee (outside of his insane 2005) to Jacobs.

[inari]

i still don't understand why you guys think its that lopsided. aram consistently puts up league-worst RF and zone ratings at third base. over the last three years crede hasn't exactly been the slouch at the plate you all make him out to be. he won a silver slugger on '06, had a very very bad injury last year which required back surgery, and has bounced back tremendously this year and is putting up another impressive year at the plate. and i'll probably get flamed for this, but he also plays in the AL while doing so in a division that has been the best during previous years. heck, in 2006, they won 90 games and finished third in their division! they would have taken a dump all over our division had they been in it. aram's ops has gone down 4 of the last 5 years, with the year it didn't go down, it went up .002

 

alright i'll get to the point. is a-ram better? its ARGUABLE. it could go either way depending on what stats you find more important its not like we are comparing pujols to mike jacobs like some of you guys make it seem.

 

If you find relevant stats (ie baseball stats) important, it's not debatable. If we want to talk about their 100m dash times, well, maybe it's arguable.

[haltz]

As Derwood mentioned, OPS+ takes that into account, clearly showing that Ramirez has been much better. That's why I wondered why you brought division strength into it.

It adjusts within a league, it doesn't compare the two. Two parks in different leagues could both have a .800 lgOPS, but the batters and pitchers could be better in one or the other and the stat would have no idea.

 

Ramirez is absolutely better than Crede though.

[UK1679666180]

Ramirez is clearly the better overall player b/c of the offensive difference. Crede is probably the 4th best 3B in the AL (Rodriguez, Longoria, and Lowell).