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I'd love to add Maddux as a veteran arm for us down the stretch..maybe we can deal Izturis for Maddux straight up?

 

Haha. No GM would be stupid enough to take that deal!!

 

Oh wait. :(

Posted
I'd love to add Maddux as a veteran arm for us down the stretch..maybe we can deal Izturis for Maddux straight up?

 

Haha. No GM would be stupid enough to take that deal!!

 

Oh wait. :(

 

Gah, you guys beat me to it.

Posted
I'd love to add Maddux as a veteran arm for us down the stretch..maybe we can deal Izturis for Maddux straight up?

 

Heck. I'd even throw in Jones for free!

Posted
No. Hill, Lilly and even Marquis deserve to go ahead of Maddux.

 

Thats ridiculous.

 

6-4 4.03 1.10

 

8-4 3.66 1.23

 

Guess whos Maddux and which is Lilly. Marquis numbers are comparable to Maddux, but that is only because of how dominant he started the season. Hes been a completely different type of pitcher since his first 4-5 starts. And Hills numbers are pretty comparable to Maddux.

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No. Hill, Lilly and even Marquis deserve to go ahead of Maddux.

 

Thats ridiculous.

 

6-4 4.03 1.10

 

8-4 3.66 1.23

 

Guess whos Maddux and which is Lilly. Marquis numbers are comparable to Maddux, but that is only because of how dominant he started the season. Hes been a completely different type of pitcher since his first 4-5 starts. And Hills numbers are pretty comparable to Maddux.

 

ERA+

 

111 (Maddux)

 

108 (Lilly)

126 (Marquis)

139 (Hill)

 

Disclaimer - Marquis should be nowhere near the ASG. He was great for 2 months, but then the real Jason Marquis showed up in June. 5 starts: 1.70 WHIP, 5.09 ERA, .269 BAA. Frankly, his May starts were half good/great and half terrible. And the good ones were against Pit (2) and SD (1), so I wouldn't want to see what the AL studs could do to him.

 

Hill's been great, but his W total will kill him. As between Lilly and Maddux, I think it's a toss up.

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No. Hill, Lilly and even Marquis deserve to go ahead of Maddux.

 

Thats ridiculous.

 

6-4 4.03 1.10

 

8-4 3.66 1.23

 

Guess whos Maddux and which is Lilly. Marquis numbers are comparable to Maddux, but that is only because of how dominant he started the season. Hes been a completely different type of pitcher since his first 4-5 starts. And Hills numbers are pretty comparable to Maddux.

 

ERA+

 

111 (Maddux)

 

108 (Lilly)

126 (Marquis)

139 (Hill)

 

Disclaimer - Marquis should be nowhere near the ASG. He was great for 2 months, but then the real Jason Marquis showed up in June. 5 starts: 1.70 WHIP, 5.09 ERA, .269 BAA. Frankly, his May starts were half good/great and half terrible. And the good ones were against Pit (2) and SD (1), so I wouldn't want to see what the AL studs could do to him.

 

Hill's been great, but his W total will kill him. As between Lilly and Maddux, I think it's a toss up.

 

I agree its a toss up, and thats why I said its ridiculous to say Lilly deserved to go over Maddux. If Lilly deserves to be there then so does Maddux. but Lilly also hasnt been the same pitcher he was to start the season just like Marquis.

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