Fangraph article on Big Z

[CubinNY]

I posted this in another thread but I think it might deserve its own.

 

Compares him to Daniel Caberrra. Not optimistic

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/

[imb]

That article doesn't compare him to Daniel Cabrera, it says that his walk rate and strike out rate were similar. Everything else about them is different.

 

It was all just a big, fancy way of saying that he has thrown a lot of pitches in his career and that he might be tired/at higher risk of injury. Did anyone here not know that already? Hardly shocking news.

[CubinNY]

That article doesn't compare him to Daniel Cabrera, it says that his walk rate and strike out rate were similar. Everything else about them is different.

 

It was all just a big, fancy way of saying that he has thrown a lot of pitches in his career and that he might be tired/at higher risk of injury. Did anyone here not know that already? Hardly shocking news.

 

I wasn't aware that we could only post BREAKING NEWS here.

 

Saying they have similar walk and strikeout rates is not a comparison?

 

I'll keep your comments under advisement.

[imb]

It's just a comparison of their strikeout and walk rates, not a comparison of them as pitchers. You really think Zambrano and Daniel Cabrera are similar at all in how they pitch? Cabrera is 25 and had a WHIP of 1.48 last year.

[CubinNY]

It's just a comparison of their strikeout and walk rates, not a comparison of them as pitchers. You really think Zambrano and Daniel Cabrera are similar at all in how they pitch? Cabrera is 25 and had a WHIP of 1.48 last year.

 

No I don't.

[Amazing_Grace]

That article doesn't compare him to Daniel Cabrera, it says that his walk rate and strike out rate were similar. Everything else about them is different.

 

It was all just a big, fancy way of saying that he has thrown a lot of pitches in his career and that he might be tired/at higher risk of injury. Did anyone here not know that already? Hardly shocking news.

 

Way off topic here, but I love your avatar. That whole situation was so ridiculous. Did not one person working for the city watch Adult Swim and realize this was a marketing stunt, or were they just ignored. Nothing quite so funny as an entire city made to look like morons to the entire nation.

[Mephistopheles]

Zambrano's "sky-rocketing walk rate" is one season. He improved his walk rate four consecutive years before.

 

It's just a comparison of their strikeout and walk rates, not a comparison of them as pitchers. You really think Zambrano and Daniel Cabrera are similar at all in how they pitch? Cabrera is 25 and had a WHIP of 1.48 last year.

 

Actually, they're similar but it's probably more acceptable to compare Daniel Cabrera to Carlos Zambrano. Both guys have good K rates, poor walk rates and are traditionally groundball pitchers. However Zambrano doesn't walk as many and gets more grounders, so while their skill sets are similar their production from the skills are dissimilar.

[imb]

Zambrano's "sky-rocketing walk rate" is one season. He improved his walk rate four consecutive years before.

 

It's just a comparison of their strikeout and walk rates, not a comparison of them as pitchers. You really think Zambrano and Daniel Cabrera are similar at all in how they pitch? Cabrera is 25 and had a WHIP of 1.48 last year.

 

Actually, they're similar but it's probably more acceptable to compare Daniel Cabrera to Carlos Zambrano. Both guys have good K rates, poor walk rates and are traditionally groundball pitchers. However Zambrano doesn't walk as many and gets more grounders, so while their skill sets are similar their production from the skills are dissimilar.

 

I meant it more from the "they're the same age, but Carlos has 5 years of major league success to draw from, while Cabrera has never had any" angle.

[Mephistopheles]

Zambrano's "sky-rocketing walk rate" is one season. He improved his walk rate four consecutive years before.

 

It's just a comparison of their strikeout and walk rates, not a comparison of them as pitchers. You really think Zambrano and Daniel Cabrera are similar at all in how they pitch? Cabrera is 25 and had a WHIP of 1.48 last year.

 

Actually, they're similar but it's probably more acceptable to compare Daniel Cabrera to Carlos Zambrano. Both guys have good K rates, poor walk rates and are traditionally groundball pitchers. However Zambrano doesn't walk as many and gets more grounders, so while their skill sets are similar their production from the skills are dissimilar.

 

I meant it more from the "they're the same age, but Carlos has 5 years of major league success to draw from, while Cabrera has never had any" angle.

So it would be terrible to compare Rich Hill to Barry Zito last July? I am sure you and I both made those remarks.

[imb]

Zambrano's "sky-rocketing walk rate" is one season. He improved his walk rate four consecutive years before.

 

It's just a comparison of their strikeout and walk rates, not a comparison of them as pitchers. You really think Zambrano and Daniel Cabrera are similar at all in how they pitch? Cabrera is 25 and had a WHIP of 1.48 last year.

 

Actually, they're similar but it's probably more acceptable to compare Daniel Cabrera to Carlos Zambrano. Both guys have good K rates, poor walk rates and are traditionally groundball pitchers. However Zambrano doesn't walk as many and gets more grounders, so while their skill sets are similar their production from the skills are dissimilar.

 

I meant it more from the "they're the same age, but Carlos has 5 years of major league success to draw from, while Cabrera has never had any" angle.

So it would be terrible to compare Rich Hill to Barry Zito last July? I am sure you and I both made those remarks.

 

Rich Hill was having Zito-esque success though, I haven't gone through the game logs, but I doubt Cabrera had a 12 game stretch of Zambrano-like dominence.

 

This is sort of a tangent anyway, the writer wasn't using Daniel Cabrera as an example of what might happen to Carlos Zambrano, he was just pointing out just how bad Zambrano's K-rate was. (I think we both agree on Big Z's red flags)

[Mephistopheles]

In July his career major league ERA was probably still over nine. My point is from a scouts eye there are a lot similarities and if Cabrera ever got his walk rates in check they'd be very comparable stuff wise and everything else.

 

Sure, I'm not Zambrano's biggest fan. I wouldn't be all that surprised if his ERA is third of fourth best in our rotation this year.

[Laura]

Carroll gave Z a Red in the positional player (starting pitcher) Health Reports.

 

Big Z might just be the kind of freak that can take this workload and never notice. Some forearm problems over the last few seasons haven’t amounted to anything, but as he heads towards free agency, the risk looms large. I think he's the exception, the big strong stud starter that people point to when they argue against pitch counts. A word of caution, though: just look at his comps. The guy might be Don Drysdale, or he might be Jose Rijo.