The Bears Offseason Thread

[ChiCubsFan]

My initial thoughts are that the Bears are either eyeballing a certain player or are looking to trade up (according to points they can trade up to around 15 with their first 2 picks). Regarding losing Jones, the step down from Jones to Benson (step up actually) and Adrian Peterson (maybe step up actually) is only an issue in case of injury. The gripe you can have with this deal is that you could have gotten more, but there is not a strong market for running backs and there are/were a lot of quality backs in free agency. The Packers were not an option being in the division and maybe only a Jones/Briggs combo to the Giants would have been feasible if they continue to be unwilling to give up a 1st for Briggs. Overall, the Bears will be better because of this move.

 

Prove it! How is Benson a step up from Jones?

 

Success rates were similar last year, but Benson had higher DVOA. I also think Benson is in the "improving" category while Jones' production may be stagnant or declining.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb.php

 

Football sabermetrics for the win!

 

Benson had a higher DVOA then these running backs as well: Larry Johnson, Tiki Barber, Steven Jackson, and Frank Gore. You think Kansas City will trade LJ for Ced Benson. Maybe we can get a pick from them also? DVOA only tells part of the story, albeit a compelling one.

 

BTW I Love them both, and im excited for Benson to get 260 plus carries.

 

Way to miss the entire point. Albert Pujols is slightly better than Derrek Lee, should we trade for Albert Pujols immediately? Just because someone is marginally better than someone else doesn't mean they need to be replaced immediately.

 

All KaiserCesar was saying was that the loss of Thomas Jones wasn't a big deal because Benson is more than capable of playing just as well, if not better. Benson certainly didn't get as many carries as those other backs, so he might be suffering from "low sample size syndrome" Another recent sufferer is Matt Murton from 2005.

 

I think you are missing his point. He was saying the Ced had a better DVOA than a bunch of the top backs in the league. He is saying that DVOA doesn't tell the whole story, because Bensen is not on those other back's level yet.

[KaiserCesar]

My initial thoughts are that the Bears are either eyeballing a certain player or are looking to trade up (according to points they can trade up to around 15 with their first 2 picks). Regarding losing Jones, the step down from Jones to Benson (step up actually) and Adrian Peterson (maybe step up actually) is only an issue in case of injury. The gripe you can have with this deal is that you could have gotten more, but there is not a strong market for running backs and there are/were a lot of quality backs in free agency. The Packers were not an option being in the division and maybe only a Jones/Briggs combo to the Giants would have been feasible if they continue to be unwilling to give up a 1st for Briggs. Overall, the Bears will be better because of this move.

 

Prove it! How is Benson a step up from Jones?

 

Success rates were similar last year, but Benson had higher DVOA. I also think Benson is in the "improving" category while Jones' production may be stagnant or declining.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb.php

 

Football sabermetrics for the win!

 

Benson had a higher DVOA then these running backs as well: Larry Johnson, Tiki Barber, Steven Jackson, and Frank Gore. You think Kansas City will trade LJ for Ced Benson. Maybe we can get a pick from them also? DVOA only tells part of the story, albeit a compelling one.

 

BTW I Love them both, and im excited for Benson to get 260 plus carries.

 

Why is it really all that obsurd that Benson might have played better than Gore, Jackson, Barber and LJ in his limited duty? Total yardage over the course of a season or two (in the case of everyone except Barber who may have been declining)?

[Handlebar McSkullet]

My initial thoughts are that the Bears are either eyeballing a certain player or are looking to trade up (according to points they can trade up to around 15 with their first 2 picks). Regarding losing Jones, the step down from Jones to Benson (step up actually) and Adrian Peterson (maybe step up actually) is only an issue in case of injury. The gripe you can have with this deal is that you could have gotten more, but there is not a strong market for running backs and there are/were a lot of quality backs in free agency. The Packers were not an option being in the division and maybe only a Jones/Briggs combo to the Giants would have been feasible if they continue to be unwilling to give up a 1st for Briggs. Overall, the Bears will be better because of this move.

 

Prove it! How is Benson a step up from Jones?

 

Success rates were similar last year, but Benson had higher DVOA. I also think Benson is in the "improving" category while Jones' production may be stagnant or declining.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb.php

 

Football sabermetrics for the win!

 

Benson had a higher DVOA then these running backs as well: Larry Johnson, Tiki Barber, Steven Jackson, and Frank Gore. You think Kansas City will trade LJ for Ced Benson. Maybe we can get a pick from them also? DVOA only tells part of the story, albeit a compelling one.

 

BTW I Love them both, and im excited for Benson to get 260 plus carries.

 

Way to miss the entire point. Albert Pujols is slightly better than Derrek Lee, should we trade for Albert Pujols immediately? Just because someone is marginally better than someone else doesn't mean they need to be replaced immediately.

 

All KaiserCesar was saying was that the loss of Thomas Jones wasn't a big deal because Benson is more than capable of playing just as well, if not better. Benson certainly didn't get as many carries as those other backs, so he might be suffering from "low sample size syndrome" Another recent sufferer is Matt Murton from 2005.

 

I didnt miss the entire point at all!!! So he brought up DVOA as the way to prove that Benson is a "step up actually". I brought up those other backs to show that DVOA is a statistic that by itself does not illustrate a backs worth. DVOA is actually skewed to favor a back who hasn't had as many carries. Wheras DPAR, which Jones is ranked higher, is skewed to those who have more carries.

 

I bolded your first paragraph to show that actually you missed the entire point of what I was illustrating. This paragraph makes no sense. I was saying that since Benson has a HIGHER DVOA than Larry Johnson, using Kaiser's criteria of the value of a running back, you would think the Chiefs would be excited to trade for Benson. It is a ridiculous statement. Absolutely, but its ridiculous because DVOA is not the end all be all measurement of the running backs worth. How is Pujols for Lee, relevant? If Lee had a higher Value over replacement(which he doesnt) than Pujols, then I guess you could make the analogy to my example by saying: "STL should trade Pujols for DLEE straight up." But how you phrased it, does not apply to my analogy.

 

Instead of disagreeing with him outright that Benson is ALREADY a step up from Jones. I wanted to hear why he thought that. I didnt mention once what I thought until the second post. You could have read that and saved yourself trouble.

 

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[Chocolate Milk]

I'm happy with the deal.

[KaiserCesar]

My initial thoughts are that the Bears are either eyeballing a certain player or are looking to trade up (according to points they can trade up to around 15 with their first 2 picks). Regarding losing Jones, the step down from Jones to Benson (step up actually) and Adrian Peterson (maybe step up actually) is only an issue in case of injury. The gripe you can have with this deal is that you could have gotten more, but there is not a strong market for running backs and there are/were a lot of quality backs in free agency. The Packers were not an option being in the division and maybe only a Jones/Briggs combo to the Giants would have been feasible if they continue to be unwilling to give up a 1st for Briggs. Overall, the Bears will be better because of this move.

 

Prove it! How is Benson a step up from Jones?

 

Success rates were similar last year, but Benson had higher DVOA. I also think Benson is in the "improving" category while Jones' production may be stagnant or declining.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb.php

 

Football sabermetrics for the win!

 

Benson had a higher DVOA then these running backs as well: Larry Johnson, Tiki Barber, Steven Jackson, and Frank Gore. You think Kansas City will trade LJ for Ced Benson. Maybe we can get a pick from them also? DVOA only tells part of the story, albeit a compelling one.

 

BTW I Love them both, and im excited for Benson to get 260 plus carries.

 

Way to miss the entire point. Albert Pujols is slightly better than Derrek Lee, should we trade for Albert Pujols immediately? Just because someone is marginally better than someone else doesn't mean they need to be replaced immediately.

 

All KaiserCesar was saying was that the loss of Thomas Jones wasn't a big deal because Benson is more than capable of playing just as well, if not better. Benson certainly didn't get as many carries as those other backs, so he might be suffering from "low sample size syndrome" Another recent sufferer is Matt Murton from 2005.

 

I didnt miss the entire point at all!!! So he brought up DVOA as the way to prove that Benson is a "step up actually". I brought up those other backs to show that DVOA is a statistic that by itself does not illustrate a backs worth. DVOA is actually skewed to favor a back who hasn't had as many carries. Wheras DPAR, which Jones is ranked higher, is skewed to those who have more carries.

 

I bolded your first paragraph to show that actually you missed the entire point of what I was illustrating. This paragraph makes no sense. I was saying that since Benson has a HIGHER DVOA than Larry Johnson, using Kaiser's criteria of the value of a running back, you would think the Chiefs would be excited to trade for Benson. It is a ridiculous statement. Absolutely, but its ridiculous because DVOA is not the end all be all measurement of the running backs worth. How is Pujols for Lee, relevant? If Lee had a higher Value over replacement(which he doesnt) than Pujols, then I guess you could make the analogy to my example by saying: "STL should trade Pujols for DLEE straight up." But how you phrased it, does not apply to my analogy.

 

Instead of disagreeing with him outright that Benson is ALREADY a step up from Jones. I wanted to hear why he thought that. I didnt mention once what I thought until the second post. You could have read that and saved yourself trouble.

 

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Your whole counter-argument is that DVOA puts Benson on a level of 4 running backs in terms of their 2006 performance, which is so out of the question that the use of a statistic that makes this conclusion shouldn't be trusted. Well, Gore had a lot of yards, but doesn't have anything else to fall back on in his career to make you think his DVOA was the anamoly, not the yardage. Jackson is another back with 1 great year of total yardage where it makes no sense to assume that the cumulative statistic is the true measure of worth. LJ has a great 2005 to fall back on which may explain the hypothetical reluctance to swap. Barber has been lower in the past and a little bit this year due to his fumbles and has had durability on his side and has accumulated a lot of yards to achieve his current status, but put up 2 great DVOA years around +15%. Is it so hard to believe that Benson in his duty played better on average than these backs last year?

 

Back to the original point, Jones has been traditionally not so great in terms of DVOA despite 1200 yard seasons, which means he will not be missed that much especially with a back who performed at a very high level last year already on the team.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

 

Your whole counter-argument is that DVOA puts Benson on a level of 4 running backs in terms of their 2006 performance, which is so out of the question that the use of a statistic that makes this conclusion shouldn't be trusted.

 

Is it so hard to believe that Benson in his duty played better on average than these backs last year?

 

Back to the original point, Jones has been traditionally not so great in terms of DVOA despite 1200 yard seasons, which means he will not be missed that much especially with a back who performed at a very high level last year already on the team.

 

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My counter argument is that DVOA is one statistic that cannot be used on its own to determine a running backs worth!!! I never said it was hard to believe or impossible or ANYTHING of that nature to say Benson had a better season. You said Benson was better than Jones. Period. I said prove it. You gave me one statistic.

 

Jones had a higher DPAR then Benson also. I didn't bring it up because DPAR is skewed towards those running backs with more carries. But DVOA is skewed towards who have less carries also. Which statistic is better? Football outsiders have the backs ranked according to DPAR, maybe that tells us something.

 

Or I could phrase it another way. Say Benson had as many carries as Jones and visa versa. Who is to say that Jones wouldnt have a higher DVOA as a result. He has less chances to lessen his value. Just like if Benson had more carries, his DPAR might go up.

 

But to sum it all up nicely. IM NOT EVEN DISAGREEING WITH YOU!!! This is a classic case of production vs. potential, which I guess is my ULTIMATE point. You are going to get the one group of people like you Kaiser who believe Benson has higher ceiling, and the other group like me that recognize the stability and production of Jones. Im satisfied with the trade for Jones, and I think Benson, and to and even greater extent Benson/Peterson will do just fine in 07. You just didnt "prove it".

[Schwarber Fan]

Link

 

Not so fast, New England. How's that, Gang Green fans?

 

The Jets dramatically jumped into the free agency signing period Monday night, not with a signing but with a trade for Thomas Jones, the talented tailback of the NFC-champion Chicago Bears, plus a swap of second-round draft picks.

 

It was not a done deal late Monday night because league sources said the Jets needed to hammer out a new long-term contract with Jones' agent, Drew Rosenhaus. But a Jets source said a deal could be completed as soon as today, assuming Jones passes his physical and agrees to an extension.

[TruffleShuffle]

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[goonys evil twin]

Wow, NY media is fawning over this deal, saying among other things, that the Jets "got themselves an All Pro for essentially nothing."

 

Jones stood little chance of remaining with the Bears. I certainly had no desire to see him signed to a new contract, not when he's turning 29 and already has a lot of mileage in what has been nothing more than a mediocre career. I think the Bears clearly got the best years Thomas Jones had to offer, and while it was okay, it was clearly nothing special. The media is describing him as some sort of superstar RB, and pretending that moving up 30 spots in the 2nd round of the draft is worthless.

 

I would have preferred the Bears use their 3rd rounder along with Jones to move up, but this is essentially what I think they should have been able to get (a late 2nd/early 3rd equivalent).

[minnesotacubsfan]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

[CuseCubFan69]

Wow, NY media is fawning over this deal, saying among other things, that the Jets "got themselves an All Pro for essentially nothing."

 

Jones stood little chance of remaining with the Bears. I certainly had no desire to see him signed to a new contract, not when he's turning 29 and already has a lot of mileage in what has been nothing more than a mediocre career. I think the Bears clearly got the best years Thomas Jones had to offer, and while it was okay, it was clearly nothing special. The media is describing him as some sort of superstar RB, and pretending that moving up 30 spots in the 2nd round of the draft is worthless.

 

I would have preferred the Bears use their 3rd rounder along with Jones to move up, but this is essentially what I think they should have been able to get (a late 2nd/early 3rd equivalent).

 

I think this deal will depend on who or what the Bears do with the pick the Jets gave them. Jones is a decent back and is better than anything the Jets have and should be productive for a couple of years for them. I agree with you that the Bears got the most productive years out of him.

[goonys evil twin]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

 

Moving up the equivalent number of spots that the Bears moved would essentially cost a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The Bears basically traded Benson for a late 2nd or early 3rd, and then traded that pick and their 2nd to move up. I don't think he got hosed. 2nd round draft picks are extremely valuable trade chips.

[Soul]

Wow, NY media is fawning over this deal, saying among other things, that the Jets "got themselves an All Pro for essentially nothing."

 

Jones stood little chance of remaining with the Bears. I certainly had no desire to see him signed to a new contract, not when he's turning 29 and already has a lot of mileage in what has been nothing more than a mediocre career. I think the Bears clearly got the best years Thomas Jones had to offer, and while it was okay, it was clearly nothing special. The media is describing him as some sort of superstar RB, and pretending that moving up 30 spots in the 2nd round of the draft is worthless.

 

I would have preferred the Bears use their 3rd rounder along with Jones to move up, but this is essentially what I think they should have been able to get (a late 2nd/early 3rd equivalent).

 

I think we got mildly fleeced.

 

Angelo did move up quite a bit in the 2nd round, which is good. He might be able to essentially get a late 1st round talent and sign him for 2nd round money----which is also good.

 

But for a warrior like Jones, who obviously still has plenty in the tank -- my idea of a good deal was more along the lines of adding a pick, not exchanging.

[minnesotacubsfan]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

 

Moving up the equivalent number of spots that the Bears moved would essentially cost a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The Bears basically traded Benson for a late 2nd or early 3rd, and then traded that pick and their 2nd to move up. I don't think he got hosed. 2nd round draft picks are extremely valuable trade chips.

 

 

I guess this is where I would make a lousy NFL GM, I woulda helpd out and made the Jets pay more, if not, make Jones play angry.

 

Whattya think we can get for Briggs now that he is pissed off?

[Soul]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

 

Moving up the equivalent number of spots that the Bears moved would essentially cost a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The Bears basically traded Benson for a late 2nd or early 3rd, and then traded that pick and their 2nd to move up. I don't think he got hosed. 2nd round draft picks are extremely valuable trade chips.

 

 

I guess this is where I would make a lousy NFL GM, I woulda helpd out and made the Jets pay more, if not, make Jones play angry.

 

Whattya think we can get for Briggs now that he is pissed off?

 

I don't know, but if it's just exchanging a pick? I'd let Briggs sit. All year if necessary. Hell, I'd franchise him over & over and let him sit forever if all I'm going to get for him is an exchange of 15 draft positions.

[goonys evil twin]

I think this deal will depend on who or what the Bears do with the pick the Jets gave them.

 

To an extent, yes. If they waste the draft pick then it's a wasted trade. But the fact is Jones had no future with the Bears. They weren't going to give him a $12m signing bonus with a 5 year deal, and then risk him being a cap hindrance in 2-3 years. Jones wasn't going to play out his contract without being a huge problem. So the Bears essentially had to trade him, and they got a decent value for him. People tend to lump draft picks together as just some sort of crapshoot. But they aren't. NFL draft picks have real value. This was a fair deal on both ends.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think this deal will depend on who or what the Bears do with the pick the Jets gave them.

 

To an extent, yes. If they waste the draft pick then it's a wasted trade. But the fact is Jones had no future with the Bears. They weren't going to give him a $12m signing bonus with a 5 year deal, and then risk him being a cap hindrance in 2-3 years. Jones wasn't going to play out his contract without being a huge problem. So the Bears essentially had to trade him, and they got a decent value for him. People tend to lump draft picks together as just some sort of crapshoot. But they aren't. NFL draft picks have real value. This was a fair deal on both ends.

 

while I think it is true Jones had no future witht he Bears, I still think he was worth more then just a higher 2nd rd draft pick. With this pick (NY 2nd rd) who do you think we are looking for?

[RynoRules]

Yeah, I really don't see the Bears trading up and the only guy I'd really like in the 10-20 range is Laron Landry.

 

Trading TJ to go up in the second round is basically the equivalent of getting a third rounder - I think I'd have preferred the extra pick, actually (especially given JA's track record in the third round), but that's cool.

 

If we trade up and get Landry I'll pee myself. He is a sure-fire stud, and based on some of the film I have seen of him he is one mean s.o.b. that enjoys hitting people. I love him.

[minnesotacubsfan]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

 

Moving up the equivalent number of spots that the Bears moved would essentially cost a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The Bears basically traded Benson for a late 2nd or early 3rd, and then traded that pick and their 2nd to move up. I don't think he got hosed. 2nd round draft picks are extremely valuable trade chips.

 

 

I guess this is where I would make a lousy NFL GM, I woulda helpd out and made the Jets pay more, if not, make Jones play angry.

 

Whattya think we can get for Briggs now that he is pissed off?

 

I don't know, but if it's just exchanging a pick? I'd let Briggs sit. All year if necessary. Hell, I'd franchise him over & over and let him sit forever if all I'm going to get for him is an exchange of 15 draft positions.

 

can you actually do that? franchise a player year after year? not a bad option here. I am abit pissed w/Briggs. The offer the Bears gave him last year was a fair offer I think.

 

Maybe the Bears new 2nd rd pick will be one to replace Briggs...

[RynoRules]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

 

Moving up the equivalent number of spots that the Bears moved would essentially cost a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The Bears basically traded Benson for a late 2nd or early 3rd, and then traded that pick and their 2nd to move up. I don't think he got hosed. 2nd round draft picks are extremely valuable trade chips.

 

 

I guess this is where I would make a lousy NFL GM, I woulda helpd out and made the Jets pay more, if not, make Jones play angry.

 

Whattya think we can get for Briggs now that he is pissed off?

 

I don't know, but if it's just exchanging a pick? I'd let Briggs sit. All year if necessary. Hell, I'd franchise him over & over and let him sit forever if all I'm going to get for him is an exchange of 15 draft positions.

 

can you actually do that? franchise a player year after year? not a bad option here. I am abit pissed w/Briggs. The offer the Bears gave him last year was a fair offer I think.

 

Maybe the Bears new 2nd rd pick will be one to replace Briggs...

 

I believe there is no limit for non-QBs, but obviously the player's salary will increase exponentially based on the avg of the top 5 salaries at his position.

[goonys evil twin]

 

while I think it is true Jones had no future witht he Bears, I still think he was worth more then just a higher 2nd rd draft pick. With this pick (NY 2nd rd) who do you think we are looking for?

 

The movement was worth a late 2nd or early 3rd. I don't really think Jones was worth much more than that. They weren't going to get the 37th picks straight up for him. Maybe they could have gotten something like the 50th pick, maybe. I would have preferred they gave up a little later pick to move where they did, but they got pretty good value.

 

I have no idea what Angelo wants to do. I think it all hinges on Briggs at this point. If Briggs goes, then I think he'll get a LB with one of the top picks. If Briggs stays, then I'm guessing they will go for offensive line help, receiver help or dback help. I would bet a lot of money that Angelo doesn't stand pat with the picks he has right now, though.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think this deal will depend on who or what the Bears do with the pick the Jets gave them.

 

To an extent, yes. If they waste the draft pick then it's a wasted trade. But the fact is Jones had no future with the Bears. They weren't going to give him a $12m signing bonus with a 5 year deal, and then risk him being a cap hindrance in 2-3 years. Jones wasn't going to play out his contract without being a huge problem. So the Bears essentially had to trade him, and they got a decent value for him. People tend to lump draft picks together as just some sort of crapshoot. But they aren't. NFL draft picks have real value. This was a fair deal on both ends.

 

It was a win in the Bears favor if they were not going to get anything for him and just release him. I remember you and I had this discussion a ways back about what the Bears could get for Jones and you were wrong as the Bears didn't get 12 #1 picks like you said they would if they dealt him. :D

 

And good luck with the NY press on this one.

[CubColtPacer]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

 

Moving up the equivalent number of spots that the Bears moved would essentially cost a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The Bears basically traded Benson for a late 2nd or early 3rd, and then traded that pick and their 2nd to move up. I don't think he got hosed. 2nd round draft picks are extremely valuable trade chips.

 

 

I guess this is where I would make a lousy NFL GM, I woulda helpd out and made the Jets pay more, if not, make Jones play angry.

 

Whattya think we can get for Briggs now that he is pissed off?

 

I don't know, but if it's just exchanging a pick? I'd let Briggs sit. All year if necessary. Hell, I'd franchise him over & over and let him sit forever if all I'm going to get for him is an exchange of 15 draft positions.

 

can you actually do that? franchise a player year after year? not a bad option here. I am abit pissed w/Briggs. The offer the Bears gave him last year was a fair offer I think.

 

Maybe the Bears new 2nd rd pick will be one to replace Briggs...

 

Well, you can do that-but if he plays and you franchise him year after year, the amount of money he costs against the cap goes up by 20% every season-it gets too expensive very, very quickly. If he holds out the entire season-well, then you're just wasting your franchise tag and ability to sign free agents (because he could sign that tag at any moment-so you have to keep 7-8 million dollars of cap room just in case he signs). It's usually never good business to be that stubborn about a situation.

[Soul]

Perhaps a guy like Timmons, due to his lack of college starting experience, will fall to the early 2nd round. Angelo likes FL players and Timmons has the speed Lovie likes.

[cubweiser03]

i DONT SEE WHY WE NEED TO GIVE UP OR 2ND ROUND PICK. jONES STRAIGHT UP FOR THE JETS 2ND RND PICK WOULDA BEEN FINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE ANGELO GOT HOSED.

 

 

 

GOOD LUCK IN NY JONESY. BRING ON BENSON!!

 

Moving up the equivalent number of spots that the Bears moved would essentially cost a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The Bears basically traded Benson for a late 2nd or early 3rd, and then traded that pick and their 2nd to move up. I don't think he got hosed. 2nd round draft picks are extremely valuable trade chips.

 

 

I guess this is where I would make a lousy NFL GM, I woulda helpd out and made the Jets pay more, if not, make Jones play angry.

 

Whattya think we can get for Briggs now that he is pissed off?

 

A pissed off Branch was worth a low 1st round pick. Briggs could be worth a little more. However, Abraham was traded a couple years ago and the Jets just got a first round pick.