Who would have guessed it?

[TXCubsFan]

According to BP, Jacque had a higher VORP than Brian Giles.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=120114

 

:shock:

[RichHillIsABeast]

The Cubs' scouts were right on about Jacque Jones.

[Geech]

The Cubs' scouts were right on about Jacque Jones.

 

The Cobs scouts must be psychic, then. Jones experienced a huge BABIP spike and Giles a large dip.

[rocket]

Giles EQA was still better. Is Jones's edge in VORP entirely related to him being a superior defender then?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Giles EQA was still better. Is Jones's edge in VORP entirely related to him being a superior defender then?

 

VORP doesn't measure defense, only offense.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Giles EQA was still better. Is Jones's edge in VORP entirely related to him being a superior defender then?

 

Giles had 140 more plate appearances to basically create the same amount of runs.

[Geech]

Giles EQA was still better. Is Jones's edge in VORP entirely related to him being a superior defender then?

 

Giles had 140 more plate appearances to basically create the same amount of runs.

 

It's interesting to see that kind of discrepency between EQA and VORP like that. Anyone know who at BP would answer a question about this sort of situation?

[neely crenshaw]

the problem with jj is not jj..it's the position that hendry put him in. he had a very nice year. he exceeded all the hopes that i had. he is a nice player BUT with his arm and bat he can not be your big time outfielder. if he can play left(or maybe center) and hit 7th he is a huge asset..if he plays right and has to hit 3rd, 4th or 5th your team is not very good.

i would certainly take him over what the sox gave drew for similar types of production..the difference is that drew will hit behind ortiz,manram,lugo,yuko and damon...

[CubinNY]

JJ also bested career numbers in AVE/OBP/SLG/OPS and OPS+.

 

One could call that a career year. Still he was better than Giles and is four years younger. I'd expect JJ to outproduce Giles again next year too.

[TruffleShuffle]

The Cubs' scouts were right on about Jacque Jones.

 

The Cobs scouts must be psychic, then. Jones experienced a huge BABIP spike and Giles a large dip.

 

Huge spike?

[BigbadB]

I could have told you that Giles' stats would suffer returning to Petco. In fact, I believe I did. He did it anyway. That's his problem now.

 

I'd trade Jones for Giles now, later today and even tomorrow. Maybe even the next day.

[TruffleShuffle]

I could have told you that Giles' stats would suffer returning to Petco. In fact, I believe I did. He did it anyway. That's his problem now.

 

I'd trade Jones for Giles now, later today and even tomorrow. Maybe even the next day.

 

I wouldn't, if you take money into account. $21M in the next two years? I'll take Jones for half that, thanks.

[Productive Outs]

they both posted a WARP-1 of 4.2 in 2006.

[Geech]

Huge spike?

 

That link doesn't work for me, but according to the data available at thehardballtimes, Jones' BABIP went from .283, and .282 in '04 and '05 to .321 in 2006. This was also accompanied by a large spike in LD%, but I don't think it's clear that this represents sustainable improvement.

[TruffleShuffle]

Huge spike?

 

That link doesn't work for me, but according to the data available at thehardballtimes, Jones' BABIP went from .283, and .282 in '04 and '05 to .321 in 2006. This was also accompanied by a large spike in LD%, but I don't think it's clear that this represents sustainable improvement.

 

His BABIP went up, but it had been below average the previous two years. He'll be worse than last year most likely, but he certainly won't fall apart, and his BABIP can reasonably be expected to be above .282 or .283.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=735&position=RF&page=7&type=full