Jacque Jones Trade Value

[CubColtPacer]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

 

Tiger, do you know what our total SS,1B,and LF production was from last year? I'd be curious to know.

[goonys evil twin]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

 

Not to mention, this team has to improve a lot just to get to .500. Simply improving the team was the easy part. It would be almost impossible to not improve this team.

 

I won't be happy until this team is great. And it's not.

[Laura]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

I'm reserving some judgment until I see who they get in the way of starting pitching. I do have some faith that they will get someone ... which would be an improvement over years past.

 

I'm glad that there was a priority on slugging vs guys who can catch the ball (though it's a bit strange that this year, Hendry is all, "we'll worry about who plays where on Opening Day"). It still seems that OBP is given short shrift, and the Cubs still need the guys who aren't going to hit 30+HRs a year to get on base for those who can.

[A New Era]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

 

Nope.

 

1B = Lee > no Lee

RF = Soriano > Jones

CF = Jones > Pierre

2B = Derosa > Neifi, Bynum, Walker, Cedeno

 

P = Have already said they are getting 2 more pitchers.

 

And the off-season is not even HALF over yet. I mean my gosh people. Jim is STILL going to go out and get some pitchers, he might even replace Izturis with Lugo. For heavens sake admit we are better and we're not even done yet!

[Vinestal]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

 

Nothing in life is garanteed but I think I like the odds that DeRosa will put up better numbers at 2nd than what we got there last year. You'll see Im tellin ya you'll ALL SEE!

[goonys evil twin]

Nope.

 

1B = Lee > no Lee

RF = Soriano > Jones

CF = Jones > Pierre

2B = Derosa > Neifi, Bynum, Walker, Cedeno

 

P = Have already said they are getting 2 more pitchers.

 

And the off-season is not even HALF over yet. I mean my gosh people. Jim is STILL going to go out and get some pitchers, he might even replace Izturis with Lugo. For heavens sake admit we are better and we're not even done yet!

 

We are better, but not nearly good enough. What is your problem with that? It's absurd to compare last year's team to next and include Soriano over Jones and Jones over Pierre. The Cubs might go out and get 2 pitchers, but they might go out and get two crap pitchers.

 

It's ain't close to done yet. They were an abysmal team. They probably aren't anymore. But I'm not one to get giddy over the Cubs not sucking. I wasn't happy with back to back plus .500 seasons, I'm not going to be happy with a partial offseason.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

 

Nope.

 

1B = Lee > no Lee

RF = Soriano > Jones

CF = Jones > Pierre

2B = Derosa > Neifi, Bynum, Walker, Cedeno

 

P = Have already said they are getting 2 more pitchers.

 

And the off-season is not even HALF over yet. I mean my gosh people. Jim is STILL going to go out and get some pitchers, he might even replace Izturis with Lugo. For heavens sake admit we are better and we're not even done yet!

 

We've significantly upgraded 1 OF spot, and assuming Lee is healthy, 1 IF spot. Assuming DeRosa's new approach will lead to similar production, our 2B spot was pretty much a lateral move (vs Walker). 3B and SS will be about the same, and I'm inclined to think Murton will be a little more productive. However, I am not counting on Barrett to reproduce his numbers, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jones's numbers slipped a little too.

[VanceJergins]

What would it take to get Kearns and have him platoon with Jones in CF? That could be a great platoon.

 

Kearns against lhp in 152 AB's: .336/.434/.605 with 9 hrs.

Jones against rhp in 396 AB's: .303/.358/.528 with 21 hrs.

 

Jones actually seems to have some patience against righties. I think getting a righty to platoon with Jones would be our best bet cause there arent a whole lot of realistic options to upgrade offensively. If we could also grab Lugo, our lineup could be very solid:

 

Soriano

Murton

Lee

Ramirez

Jones/Kearns

Barrett

Lugo

DeRosa

[Sarcastic]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

 

Nope.

 

1B = Lee > no Lee

RF = Soriano > Jones

CF = Jones > Pierre

2B = Derosa > Neifi, Bynum, Walker, Cedeno

 

P = Have already said they are getting 2 more pitchers.

 

And the off-season is not even HALF over yet. I mean my gosh people. Jim is STILL going to go out and get some pitchers, he might even replace Izturis with Lugo. For heavens sake admit we are better and we're not even done yet!

 

We've significantly upgraded 1 OF spot, and assuming Lee is healthy, 1 IF spot. Assuming DeRosa's new approach will lead to similar production, our 2B spot was pretty much a lateral move (vs Walker). 3B and SS will be about the same, and I'm inclined to think Murton will be a little more productive. However, I am not counting on Barrett to reproduce his numbers, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jones's numbers slipped a little too.

 

I'd disagree on 2B. If DeRosa did in fact put up similar production to 2006, which he may well not, he would be a substantial upgrade over 2006 Walker.

 

2006 Walker (w/ Cubs): .277/.352/.390

2006 DeRosa: /.296/.357/.456

 

That isn't even counting the fact that Walker played a lot of 1B and 2B was mostly manned by the even more pathetic combination of Cedeno and Neifi, with a hot Theriot bringing in the last handful of ABs. I'd bet that even if DeRosa regresses, which he probably will, he will still beat the production the Cubs got from 2B last year by a decent margin.

 

The Cubs obviously aren't a 100 win team right now, but if the rest of the offseason goes well, they will be able to contend. The key is that there are probably more moves to be made.

 

I think that they'll still have to hope that their key players (Lee, Prior) can contribute, but if they can,the Cubs will have a good shot.

 

EDIT: Here's a more in depth analysis of who the Cubs had playing 2B last year. It really was a strange collection. This is a list of the players who played 2B for the Cubs in 2006, how many games they played there, and what their stats where as Cubs in 2006 (from ESPN's list).

 

Todd Walker: 41 games (.277/.352/.390)

Neifi Perez: 33 games (.254/.266/.343)

Ryan Theriot: 30 games (.328/.412/.522)

Jerry Hairston Jr.: 18 games (.207/.253/.244)

Ronny Cedeno: 14 games (.245/.271/.339)

Freddie Bynum: 14 games (.257/.308/.456)

Tony Womack: 12 games (.280/.333/.360)

 

Aside from Theriot's 30 games, this is a pretty bad collection, ranging from mediocre to awful. I think that DeRosa has a shot at beating this collective pile of crud.

Edited November 22, 2006 by Sarcastic

[UBlink]

Everyone's putting DeRosa in the 8 spot for next year. What do they know that the Rangers didn't? Last year the Rangers had the number 4 offense (by total runs) in the AL, and they hit DeRosa 5th and 6th much more than any other spot.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Tiger, do you know what our total SS,1B,and LF production was from last year? I'd be curious to know.

 

1B: .266/.337/.437/.774

SS: .246/.275/.324/.598

LF: .280/.346/.428/.774

[erik316wttn]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

 

Nope.

 

1B = Lee > no Lee

RF = Soriano > Jones

CF = Jones > Pierre

2B = Derosa > Neifi, Bynum, Walker, Cedeno

 

P = Have already said they are getting 2 more pitchers.

 

And the off-season is not even HALF over yet. I mean my gosh people. Jim is STILL going to go out and get some pitchers, he might even replace Izturis with Lugo. For heavens sake admit we are better and we're not even done yet!

 

I would take Todd Walker over Mark DeRosa any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[VanceJergins]

Tiger, do you know what our total SS,1B,and LF production was from last year? I'd be curious to know.

 

1B: .266/.337/.437/.774

SS: .246/.275/.324/.598

LF: .280/.346/.428/.774

 

Oh man, those SS numbers make me want to throw up all over myself. I really hope we can get a decent player there this year.

[CubColtPacer]

Tiger, do you know what our total SS,1B,and LF production was from last year? I'd be curious to know.

 

1B: .266/.337/.437/.774

SS: .246/.275/.324/.598

LF: .280/.346/.428/.774

 

Thanks! That's very encouraging to see those numbers. I have to believe that each of those positions might get an upgrade next year. 1B will be a major upgrade, but I think SS and LF are also even minor upgrades right now, just because the numbers at SS were so bad last year and LF will be better with Murton getting a greater percentage of the at-bats.

 

I think that means we should have increased production at every position except 3B (where we'll get about the same), 2B (where we could get less or more-it's hard to tell) and catcher (where it's almost certainly going to be less).

[Guest]

where are you getting those TT? I need all the positions for a project I'm working on.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

where are you getting those TT? I need all the positions for a project I'm working on.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/Statistics/Team/playerstats?team=chc

 

Just select the "as 2B" or "as LF", etc. and look at the total at the bottom.

[Geech]

where are you getting those TT? I need all the positions for a project I'm working on.

 

ESPN lists team batting stats. There's a dropdown menu there that lets you select various splits, and you can select positions to get the production from various positions.

[Guest]

where are you getting those TT? I need all the positions for a project I'm working on.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/Statistics/Team/playerstats?team=chc

 

Just select the "as 2B" or "as LF", etc. and look at the total at the bottom.

 

awesome thanks - we'll see how the run predictor does with actual numbers.

[Guest]

where are you getting those TT? I need all the positions for a project I'm working on.

 

ESPN lists team batting stats. There's a dropdown menu there that lets you select various splits, and you can select positions to get the production from various positions.

 

thanks to you too geech - the A's may be in trouble without Thomas and possibly Bradley. Rumors are they may sign Mulder.

[jjgman21]

where are you getting those TT? I need all the positions for a project I'm working on.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/Statistics/Team/playerstats?team=chc

 

Just select the "as 2B" or "as LF", etc. and look at the total at the bottom.

 

awesome thanks - we'll see how the run predictor does with actual numbers.

 

not sure what predictor you are talking about I ran a calculation with a run predictor and started a thread in Baseball Discussions.

 

 

re Cubs catchers, I don't know that the production will drop all that much. the Cubs should have Barrett for the entire year. even though Henry had a good year for him, the overall catchers numbers were really dragged down by Barrett only playing in about 100 games.

 

if Barrett's production drop to about half way between his 05-06 and Henry repeats his 05, the Catchers stats will be about exactly the same as last year, assuming a 130/30 split in starts.

[Guest]

where are you getting those TT? I need all the positions for a project I'm working on.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/Statistics/Team/playerstats?team=chc

 

Just select the "as 2B" or "as LF", etc. and look at the total at the bottom.

 

awesome thanks - we'll see how the run predictor does with actual numbers.

 

not sure what predictor you are talking about I ran a calculation with a run predictor and started a thread in Baseball Discussions.

 

 

re Cubs catchers, I don't know that the production will drop all that much. the Cubs should have Barrett for the entire year. even though Henry had a good year for him, the overall catchers numbers were really dragged down by Barrett only playing in about 100 games.

 

if Barrett's production drop to about half way between his 05-06 and Henry repeats his 05, the Catchers stats will be about exactly the same as last year, assuming a 130/30 split in starts.

 

I created my own for fun. I got 798 runs on average - a tad below your numbers. I need to account for pinch hitters yet though, which may bring my numbers up. The important thing is this is a 94 run improvement from last year.

[Bluescale]

Tiger, do you know what our total SS,1B,and LF production was from last year? I'd be curious to know.

 

1B: .266/.337/.437/.774

SS: .246/.275/.324/.598

LF: .280/.346/.428/.774

 

Looking at the SS numbers makes me want to go into mourning...