What could we get for Jones?

[b_wiggy_66]

With all of these names for the OF (Drew, Soriano, Lee, Sheffield, Roberts Pierre, Wells) what kind of starter do you think we could get for Jones? I was thinking someone like Jon Lieber, Freddy Garcia, but I don't even think we could get them for Jones.

[baseball7897]

Bonderman.

[VanceJergins]

Bonderman.

 

Maybe if we remind them that we saved their season by sending them Neifi.

[CUBZ99]

I was listening to Kap and Waddle last night and they are convinced that Jones will not be with the Cubs next year. Kaplan was claiming that the Cubs really like Murton alot and want to find a new CF, and RF. I hope he is right.

[Soriano12]

Mid Grade Prospects.

[nilodnayr]

Mid Grade Prospects.

 

He had the 3rd best OPS for NL RFs. Hit .285 with 27 homeruns and is under contract for 9M for the next two years. Not to say that I like him or anything, but thats the sale I make to anyone interested. I'd love to send him to the Nats and get Kearns, Church, and Vidro in return. Not really sure if theres any other teams out there that would be interested. Possibly the Dodgers, Giants, Rangers.

[cjbucks]

Jeromy Burnitz?

[Twiggy]

Trade him, sign JD drew :)

[questionmarkgrace]

jones is from SanDiego and they are going to need a left fielder when dave roberts leaves. Plus they need more power with brian giles power shrinking. the only problem is they really don't have anything that we want. Most of their prospects are terrible. I would've said barfield but he is already gone. Linebrink+? Doesn't look like a fit.

 

The Mariners are also looking for a right fielder with Ichiro saying that he will move to center next year. Again they really don't have anyone we want that they would be willing to trade.

 

The mets got won't resign cliff floyd and some say they aren't ready to hadn the job to lastings milledge. I've also heard that he may be traded for pitching, etc. But may be they would want jones we could get Heilman plus minor league talent, if that is the way we are going to go.

 

I think he would be farely easy to trade due to his relatively small contract which seemed too expensive at the begining of last year. go figure

[Ding Dong Johnson]

jones is from SanDiego and they are going to need a left fielder when dave roberts leaves. Plus they need more power with brian giles power shrinking. the only problem is they really don't have anything that we want. Most of their prospects are terrible. I would've said barfield but he is already gone. Linebrink+? Doesn't look like a fit.

 

The Mariners are also looking for a right fielder with Ichiro saying that he will move to center next year. Again they really don't have anyone we want that they would be willing to trade.

 

The mets got won't resign cliff floyd and some say they aren't ready to hadn the job to lastings milledge. I've also heard that he may be traded for pitching, etc. But may be they would want jones we could get Heilman plus minor league talent, if that is the way we are going to go.

 

I think he would be farely easy to trade due to his relatively small contract which seemed too expensive at the begining of last year. go figure

 

Ichiro is moving to CF because they have a RF.

[Wilson A2000]

Even dropping Jones is addition by subtraction

[questionmarkgrace]

Ichiro is moving to CF because they have a RF.

 

and who would that be? Chris Snelling? he hit 216 in AAA. he is a long shot to be their starting right fielder. Ichiro said in many published reports that he will move to center if the get another big bat. Jeremy reed is no longer an option and either is snelling. So if you are thinking of someone else I'd like to know

[Backtobanks]

I remember everybody complaining about the money and the length of the contract when Hendry signed Jones. I wrote then that it was the price that Hendry had to pay to get him and trading him with $10 million owed over 2 years wouldn't be a problem if that's what Hendry wanted to do. Now everybody is writing about what a bargain Jones is and it should be easy to find a trade partner because of his reasonable contract. After all is said and done, Jones was a good signing and it should go in the plus column for Hendry.

[10man]

Mid Grade Prospects.

He had the 3rd best OPS for NL RFs. Hit .285 with 27 homeruns and is under contract for 9M for the next two years. Not to say that I like him or anything, but thats the sale I make to anyone interested. I'd love to send him to the Nats and get Kearns, Church, and Vidro in return. Not really sure if theres any other teams out there that would be interested. Possibly the Dodgers, Giants, Rangers.

I don't think the Nationals would give up young talent for a vet like Jones. Not exactly what a team in rebuilding mode would do.

[goonys evil twin]

I remember everybody complaining about the money and the length of the contract when Hendry signed Jones. I wrote then that it was the price that Hendry had to pay to get him and trading him with $10 million owed over 2 years wouldn't be a problem if that's what Hendry wanted to do. Now everybody is writing about what a bargain Jones is and it should be easy to find a trade partner because of his reasonable contract. After all is said and done, Jones was a good signing and it should go in the plus column for Hendry.

 

 

Why? Whywhywhywhywhy?

 

Why are people making plus and minus columns about a GM who has built a team that is terrible? Why do we have to count as a plus a move that guaranteed the Cubs would once again get subpar OF production?

 

And how is everybody saying what a bargain Jones is? He's not a bargain. He's a mediocre player who had a slightly above average season. But he's just as likely to be below average next year.

 

You say he paid the price he had to pay to sign Jones, I say he never had to sign Jones.

[TheDude]

Why do we have to count as a plus a move that guaranteed the Cubs would once again get subpar OF production?

 

Why is the 3rd best OPS in the NL for his position subpar? Ramirez had the 3rd best OPS for his position in the NL as well, so I guess he is subpar also.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Jones, but Jones in RF is not the problem with this team.

[goonys evil twin]

Why do we have to count as a plus a move that guaranteed the Cubs would once again get subpar OF production?

 

Why is the 3rd best OPS in the NL for his position subpar? Ramirez had the 3rd best OPS for his position in the NL as well, so I guess he is subpar also.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Jones, but Jones in RF is not the problem with this team.

 

He had a barely above average OPS+. His OPS was SLG heavy, which is less valuable than a OPS that is OBP heavy. Jones in RF is not the problem with this team only because this team has more than one problem. He certainly is one of the problems. He's a part of an impotent OF, and does not do enough on his own to help the team. Jones would be fine if he was a 26 year old pre-arbitration player. But as the single biggest addition to an already horrible offense last year, he was a terrible option. It's not his fault he isn't good. But it is Hendry's fault that the Cubs OF wasn't any good and that Jones played a big part in that.

[Wheelimus]

yeah, .285/.334/.499/.833, while not setting the world on fire, is not subpar.

 

And .303/.358/.528/.886 against righties is far from subpar.

 

We don't need to dump Jacque (though he needs extra time with the fielding instructors) to be good next year. We just need a platoon partner.

[goonys evil twin]

yeah, .285/.334/.499/.833, while not setting the world on fire, is not subpar.

 

And .303/.358/.528/.886 against righties is far from subpar.

 

We don't need to dump Jacque (though he needs extra time with the fielding instructors) to be good next year. We just need a platoon partner.

 

Expecting him to repeat last year is foolish. Anytime you need a platoon partner for a starting veteran corner outfielder, that player is subpar.

[TheDude]

Why do we have to count as a plus a move that guaranteed the Cubs would once again get subpar OF production?

 

Why is the 3rd best OPS in the NL for his position subpar? Ramirez had the 3rd best OPS for his position in the NL as well, so I guess he is subpar also.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Jones, but Jones in RF is not the problem with this team.

 

He had a barely above average OPS+. His OPS was SLG heavy, which is less valuable than a OPS that is OBP heavy. Jones in RF is not the problem with this team only because this team has more than one problem. He certainly is one of the problems. He's a part of an impotent OF, and does not do enough on his own to help the team. Jones would be fine if he was a 26 year old pre-arbitration player. But as the single biggest addition to an already horrible offense last year, he was a terrible option. It's not his fault he isn't good. But it is Hendry's fault that the Cubs OF wasn't any good and that Jones played a big part in that.

 

But we're not talking about last year's offseason anymore.

 

Looking at this offseason, Jones is acceptable in RF if the team upgrades elsewhere. Adding Drew in CF, retaining Ramirez, and targeting and signing 2 FA/posted pitchers for the rotation makes Jones acceptable.

 

The only reason to move Jones is if the team gets a good deal for an upgrade. But there are not many available upgrades on the market. His pricetage is very reasonable, and he gives you average or better production.

 

When considering the list of priorities for this Cubs team, I would place 'replacing Jones' as at least the 5th priority.

[goonys evil twin]

But we're not talking about last year's offseason anymore.

 

Looking at this offseason, Jones is acceptable in RF if the team upgrades elsewhere. Adding Drew in CF, retaining Ramirez, and targeting and signing 2 FA/posted pitchers for the rotation makes Jones acceptable.

 

The only reason to move Jones is if the team gets a good deal for an upgrade. But there are not many available upgrades on the market. His pricetage is very reasonable, and he gives you average or better production.

 

Average production at above average cost, not good. And he's just as likely to be below average as above. Jones is only acceptable in RF if they have massive improvements elsewhere.

[rjchapma]

just Jones straight up like people said probably mid level prospects.

[CubColtPacer]

But we're not talking about last year's offseason anymore.

 

Looking at this offseason, Jones is acceptable in RF if the team upgrades elsewhere. Adding Drew in CF, retaining Ramirez, and targeting and signing 2 FA/posted pitchers for the rotation makes Jones acceptable.

 

The only reason to move Jones is if the team gets a good deal for an upgrade. But there are not many available upgrades on the market. His pricetage is very reasonable, and he gives you average or better production.

 

Average production at above average cost, not good. And he's just as likely to be below average as above. Jones is only acceptable in RF if they have massive improvements elsewhere.

 

Jones is average production at below average cost in RF (as far as ones who have hit free agency).

[TheDude]

But we're not talking about last year's offseason anymore.

 

Looking at this offseason, Jones is acceptable in RF if the team upgrades elsewhere. Adding Drew in CF, retaining Ramirez, and targeting and signing 2 FA/posted pitchers for the rotation makes Jones acceptable.

 

The only reason to move Jones is if the team gets a good deal for an upgrade. But there are not many available upgrades on the market. His pricetage is very reasonable, and he gives you average or better production.

 

Average production at above average cost, not good. And he's just as likely to be below average as above. Jones is only acceptable in RF if they have massive improvements elsewhere.

 

Jones is not above average cost. His contract, by current market, is a bargain. The Cubs are not going to field an all-star at every position, so we agree that assuming upgrades elsewhere, Jones is acceptable.

 

I do find it highly ironic that Hendry got killed for not pursuing Giles on this board, and Jones dwarfed Giles production in 2006, in terms of slugging and OPS.

[goonys evil twin]

But we're not talking about last year's offseason anymore.

 

Looking at this offseason, Jones is acceptable in RF if the team upgrades elsewhere. Adding Drew in CF, retaining Ramirez, and targeting and signing 2 FA/posted pitchers for the rotation makes Jones acceptable.

 

The only reason to move Jones is if the team gets a good deal for an upgrade. But there are not many available upgrades on the market. His pricetage is very reasonable, and he gives you average or better production.

 

Average production at above average cost, not good. And he's just as likely to be below average as above. Jones is only acceptable in RF if they have massive improvements elsewhere.

 

Jones is not above average cost. His contract, by current market, is a bargain. The Cubs are not going to field an all-star at every position, so we agree that assuming upgrades elsewhere, Jones is acceptable.

 

I do find it highly ironic that Hendry got killed for not pursuing Giles on this board, and Jones dwarfed Giles production in 2006, in terms of slugging and OPS.

 

Giles OPS+ 105

Jones OPS+ 107

 

I find it highly amusing how much you love Jim Hendry screwing up the Cubs.

 

Jones is above average cost. You can't compare him only to free agents, that's absurd. He's not competing only against free agents. Smart teams find ways to get production above cost. Stupid teams spend big on mediocrity.